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I mean did a Red Sox fan actually decide to go there? I mean there would be no 2004 without juice - please leave this one be int.
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I mean did a Red Sox fan actually decide to go there? I mean there would be no 2004 without juice - please leave this one be int.
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Troll or not, it's true.
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Hahaha You've been practicing on the cesspool Auggie. Not taking your shizzlespackleskybazzle hook
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Keep believing what you need to believe deep. No skin off my (nor the Pats) nose.
George Mitchell was on the Sox payroll, funny how everyone else was on the Mitchell report except Sox players.
Calhoun blatantly cheated, just like the Pats did. I mean, both things had similar impacts on actual games. They both broke the rules, how can you defend one while condemning the other? If one is cheating, they both are.
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Simple! Because one cheated MORE.
Or do you make the equivalency of someone looked over their friends shoulder for a single answer on the SAT test while another broke into the school office and stole the whole test as the same crime?
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Hey, there might not be 3+ for the Yanks. Personally, I think it's no big deal either way; zero saltiness involved mau. Anyone on their high horse about about the steroid era is fooling themselves deliberately; objective baseball fan has to admit that the steroid era is looked at differently. I personally think the PEDs numbers were far far greater than actually known. Different PEDs than McgGwire/Bonds et al, but totally rampant. jmo of course.
The NFL's Biggest Cheaters - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating
Least cheating team, supposedly.
The Arizona Cardinals Complete Cheating History - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating
SUMMARY: Ex-Cardinal and retired Pro Bowl quarterback Jeff Blake confessed in an interview that removing air from footballs was common when he played in the NFL from 1992-2005.
"I'm just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played," the ex-Cardinal QB said Wednesday in a radio interview on the "Midday 180" show on Nashville's 104.5 The Zone. "Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can't feel the ball as well. It's too hard.
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Hey, there might not be 3+ for the Yanks. Personally, I think it's no big deal either way; zero saltiness involved mau. Anyone on their high horse about about the steroid era is fooling themselves deliberately; objective baseball fan has to admit that the steroid era is looked at differently. I personally think the PEDs numbers were far far greater than actually known. Different PEDs than McgGwire/Bonds et al, but totally rampant. jmo of course.
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LOL....you are so funny. You are actually cracking me up with this nonsense!!
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It's not a matter of believing or not. They did cheat. Were caught. Punished. Dropped the appeal. Served the punishment.
The fact that they beat the Falcons just doesn't erase ANY of that.
Humor me and list out all the ways the Pats "blatantly" cheated
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I'll try to explain this as simply as I can.
They had a person named "The Deflator" deflate footballs.
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Sure, if you ignore all context, of which there is a ton. This is called simple thinking. I mean, you can ignore all natural laws of the universe, that's up to you. Of course, as sports fans, it's not a big deal. Nothing really impacts the world substantially,
In something like politics or economics though, where the same phenomena exists, well...
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Pretty sure everything that I listed actually happened.
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When did he do it?
Not against the Colts in the AFCCG.
Those balls were not deflated by human hands.
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Hahaha Some dude 6 months before the fact said the guy is a murderer. The guy is guilty and must be executed. Kangaroo court to the rescue!
Again, you are welcome to disagree with a metric ton of top shelf academics, physical proof from other games, zero real evidence but an ambiguous text, and Roger 'I'm always wrong' Goodell, if you want. That's your right. But it doesn't make you right.
If you believe getting a judgement against you implies fact, then OJ was indeed innocent. LOL
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Now this morning you have Tony Dungy throwing cold water over all those fans that bring up Spygate.
Dungy admitted to stealing signals, said it wasn't illegal, and LB Gary Brackett says they stole the signals from film!!
Not only does Deep have nothing on Deflategate, but there's nothing on Spygate now either.
Dungy admitted to stealing signals, said it wasn't illegal, and LB Gary Brackett says they stole the signals from film!!
Not only does Deep have nothing on Deflategate, but there's nothing on Spygate now either.
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Again, here's a comparison. Nicole Simpson was murdered. OJ Simpson was a suspect as her estranged husband. The Glove didn't fit. OJ was found innocent in court. 'Pretty sure everything that I listed actually happened.'
By your logic, he's innocent.
Again, it's simple thinking, ignoring context and facts that prove otherwise to fit your narrative. And because I know you are a sharp guy, it's deliberate, likely a result of fandom.
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He smashed his phone
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After providing all evidence on it. And the lead investigator he had fulfilled ALL his obligations RE the phone, and no longer needed it.
I'll try to reply as simply as I can. Even if what you say is true, and I don't concede that.....when they got rid of those balls in the 2nd half, the Pats won 28-0. So, had no impact on the game. Just like Calhoun breaking rules on Miles never had an impact on a game at UConn.
So there's strike one. Now, show me all the other "blatant" ways the Patriots cheated and it gave them an advantage in an actual game. Your partner in crime, August, stated a premise that the Pats cheated MORE. I'm waiting for evidence, and evidence of how it impacted anything. Because MY whole premise, if you guys could contain yourselves, is that what Calhoun did also had no impact on any games, yet it broke rules. Maybe neither of you actually went to UConn, so you're not smart enough to figure that out.
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Also, he destroys all of his phones after a certain period of time. Price of being the best QB of all time, being married to Giselle, etc. There is evidence that he started doing that well before the investigation by the way.
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Eh, non-salty coaches have admitted this for a long time. Bill Cowher:
"We didn’t lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things. I think if they’re guilty of anything, they’re guilty of arrogance, because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that."
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The fact they won (or lost) doesn't matter. The balls were deflated below league minimums. Coincidentally, some guy named The Deflator was somehow "involved". I'm not making this up.
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FTFY. As proven by MIT, Carnegie Mellon, and many many more scientists. Same way the Steelers balls were 'deflated' against the Giants this year. Where was the outcry?
I doubt you'll read this, as you don't appear interested in seeking any truth, but this says it better than anyone on this thread:
As time has allowed more serious analysis to come in, the results have been an overwhelming destruction of the conclusions of Wells, Exponent and the consulting work of Princeton professor Daniel Marlow.
It's been from all directions: the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (multiple studies), Carnegie Mellon University, the University of Chicago, Boston College, the University of Nebraska, the University of Illinois, the University of New Hampshire, Bowdoin College, Rockefeller University, where a Nobel Prize winner couldn't have lampooned it more viciously, and so on and so on.
Then there were unaffiliated retired scientists, climate experts, professional labs, even the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute, which crushed the science of Wells' report. A fourth-grader in Sacramento discredited it for her school science fair.
And these are just some of the ones that received media attention.
About the only counter argument is all these people must all be Patriots fans (they aren't). Even if they all were, they'd be opening themselves up to scientific ridicule for their conclusions from other scientists who aren't Patriots fans.
Only no one is ridiculing them. No one is criticizing these critics. It doesn't appear anyone is fighting back.
Maybe there is a professor or study out there that, with the currently available information, defends Exponent, Wells and the NFL, but there aren't any readily found on the Internet or in scientific journals. They certainly aren't making themselves easy to find.
If every smart scientist who studied this case (and isn't affiliated with the league) says nothing happened, then how long does everyone keep saying something did?
The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. Apparently no one has disagreed with Leonard's findings.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."
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Patriots minion dressed up in NFL films garb.
"Nothing to see here folks, everyone does it"
"Nothing to see here folks, everyone does it"
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Who said they didn't film from the end zone? Everybody knows they did. They (and all other teams--of which some seven were known to do it) were told to cut it out the year before. Belichick was too arrogant about it and paid a stiff price for that.
No big deal. As most unbiased observers admit.
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