These are the AG facts!

[jazz]

I disagree with you a lot. Here is no different. So much so- I fear though all we'll do is go back-and-forth so much that we'll get hit on by the mods.

Anyways I just have 2 paragraph comments and I'll back off-
I think "Paige Bueckers" (I put in quotes because I also mean other terrific tremendous players like her), the Asst. Coaches, the fans, the UCONN Administration (in the red probably), and Women's College Basketball deserve so much more than what you are proposing. Which imo is nothing more than a gamble along with a coaching philosophy that takes away minutes from a player that is a better shooter, a better ball handler, a better passer in which this team needs offense vs another player that is more offensively challenged. And your proposal on the BY has no consequences if it doesn't work while Geno could lose the next "Paige Bueckers."

And for this belief in this case of playing the better offensive player, and other similar ones- some of us fans get labeled as fans that believe Geno is God? When we just think - please don't take offense- that your and others coaching philosophy and substitution patterns in regards to what you feel is best for the team is wrong on many levels. The BY fans are not the only ones to think about here in regards ot minutes etc. A player like Paige comes it attracts "more" that just the UCONN diehard fan. Then how is playing your other best to support her, wrong on any level? The obligation should be to strive for team success and not individual minutes. And the best team success is to play your best.

Same disagreement I had with many on this board concerning NM back in the early part of the season.

Certainly CW is a better offensive player, even though her shooting is very poor this year for a staring 2 guard or wing or whatever she is now. She is a very average passer, rebounder and a poor defender. She is a one trick pony and isn't very good at the one trick right now either. She could break out and I'm sure GA is hoping she will. I'm hoping she will as well. She is incredibly explosive. We've been waiting 3 years for her to be a consistent shooter.

Anyway, my proposal is not much different than it was with NM in the early part of the season. More NM and less CW I thought would be good for the overall team. Instead is is more NM and less EW and less AG. I think more AG and less CW would be good for all involved. I'm talking about 8-10 minutes less for CW.

Also, AG was very good in the 4th of the last game when she was given playing time - the best player on the court actually. She probably would not have gotten that time if NM had not been hurt. In a 5-6 minute time span, she got 4 rebounds, 2 offensive, 2 steals leading to layins where she had the ball in her hands the entire time down the court, nice pass to Mir, drew two fouls on the opponents and scored 6 points, all while completing shutting down the player she was guarding. One time she exploded to the basket dribbling by her opponent, but yet I hear she can't dribble. Then you got the two coast to coast plays made where she showed great defense, open court dribbling skills, finishing skills and topped it off with a nice pass to Mir. You don't think that maybe she could play a wee bit more and make a bigger impact?? When exactly does CW ever do that??

So how is 8-10 minutes more for AG and less for CW wrong on 'many levels'? What levels are you on about?? CW isn't exactly lighting it up. Actually, she shoots poorly more often than not and doesn't make up for it in any other way. Seems like many thought that NM couldn't play either, earlier in the season and we know how that has turned out.

 

[hart2hart]

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We’d love to try it! Hubby and me!

 

[hoophuskee]

Same disagreement I had with many on this board concerning NM back in the early part of the season.

Certainly CW is a better offensive player, even though her shooting is very poor this year for a staring 2 guard or wing or whatever she is now. She is a very average passer, rebounder and a poor defender. She is a one trick pony and isn't very good at the one trick right now either. She could break out and I'm sure GA is hoping she will. I'm hoping she will as well. She is incredibly explosive. We've been waiting 3 years for her to be a consistent shooter.

Anyway, my proposal is not much different than it was with NM in the early part of the season. More NM and less CW I thought would be good for the overall team. Instead is is more NM and less EW and less AG. I think more AG and less CW would be good for all involved. I'm talking about 8-10 minutes less for CW.

Also, AG was very good in the 4th of the last game when she was given playing time - the best player on the court actually. She probably would not have gotten that time if NM had not been hurt. In a 5-6 minute time span, she got 4 rebounds, 2 offensive, 2 steals leading to layins where she had the ball in her hands the entire time down the court, nice pass to Mir, drew two fouls on the opponents and scored 6 points, all while completing shutting down the player she was guarding. One time she exploded to the basket dribbling by her opponent, but yet I hear she can't dribble. Then you got the two coast to coast plays made where she showed great defense, open court dribbling skills, finishing skills and topped it off with a nice pass to Mir. You don't think that maybe she could play a wee bit more and make a bigger impact?? When exactly does CW ever do that??

So how is 8-10 minutes more for AG and less for CW wrong on 'many levels'? What levels are you on about?? CW isn't exactly lighting it up. Actually, she shoots poorly more often than not and doesn't make up for it in any other way. Seems like many thought that NM couldn't play either, earlier in the season and we know how that has turned out.

Can't resist one more post very quick on 3 points

1-- I don't know why you keep mentioning Nika Muhl in terms of that you were right. I think 99% of all us knew she was a good passer and had a good handle. Those are two of three basic fundamentals for a player being an offensive triplet threat.

2--- I'll reiterate. This teams needs offense. Aubrey Griffin is offensively challenged and to play her more in hopes is an enormous gamble not worth talking. And CWill is a better passer, a better shooter and has a better handle than Aubrey.

3 - I no longer believe CWill is a poor defender. I don’t think it’s even close to say that. Poor defenders would've been wiped out vs South Carolina. The biggest concern in that game was their center.

 

[cbraarj]

That may come as clever to some but in reality it is just not factual. Take the last game for instance, there was a stretch where AG made play after play after play and in my view was the best player on the floor. She made lots of good things happen as she does every single time she steps on the floor.

I didn't see the whole game today but Aubrey missed two layups without being close to any iron. One was a foot- foot and a half away. Unlike Gabby!

 

[Urshurak]

This is the biggest waste of a post I have ever seen. Congrats. Should have cleaned gunk off your tires. Better time spent. Way to call out players by name for a bad game and say they were abused. First IGNORE for me. Again. Congrats.

 

[huskeynut]

Haha huskeynut, send me a pix!
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Here it is!!!

 

[Pie43]

Don't compare Gabby and Aubrey because when Gabby made a play more often than not something good happened.

Gabby was one of my favorites players, she played out of control until he senior year, and was in foul trouble all the time, plus missed many bunnies. AG was fifth in scoring today and second in rebounding with zero fouls in 18 minutes. Next year she will be the Bernard King of WBB, Mir will be really improved, By GA and the team.

 

[Pie43]

I didn't see the whole game today but Aubrey missed two layups without being close to any iron. One was a foot- foot and a half away. Unlike Gabby!

She was the 5th leading scoring this game and 2nd in rebounds

 

[msf22b]

Here's what bothers me about this thread...especially the first couple of pages
(I got bored and didn't read every last submission; my bad).

Jazz does some intense research and comes to the conclusion (among other things) that Aubrey guarded Dungee more efficiently than our other guards...fair enough...since I haven't re-watched the game, with a pencil and paper (yet); i can't comment on whether or not I agree with the premise.

But to opine on Aubrey's skills in general (negatively) while not addressing the substance of Jazz' position seems (how can I put it politely) nekulturny.

For me, in order to agree or disagree, one has to at least somewhat go through the process that Jazz undertook...To not do this and to write tangentially about ones feelings or anecdotal observations, feels intellectually dishonest.

 

[hoophuskee]

Gabby was one of my favorites players, she played out of control until he senior year, and was in foul trouble all the time, plus missed many bunnies. AG was fifth in scoring today and second in rebounding with zero fouls in 18 minutes. Next year she will be the Bernard King of WBB, Mir will be really improved, By GA and the team.

I'm a huge King fan. But I don't believe you about Gabby.

You are saying you are a real Gabby fan that says that she played out of control in her junior year?
So you as a supposed Gabby fan yet say that she played out of control when she was a 1st team a/a while averaging over 14ppg shooting over 58% from the floor and leading the undefeated reg. season huskies in assists with over a 2-1 assist to turnover ratio as a post type player? And as a proclaimed Gabby fan, you are saying she was out of control this particular season?

I hope you are right about AG being Bernard King. And as a King fan that you are- you know one of King's sweet shots was his quick turnaround post jump shot. Can you provide one instance that you saw AG hit one of those this season or last?

 

[ABCDFE]

Really? With three players on the BE All conference team and AEH- how that happen?

Three players on the FIRST team. You’d think they would’ve blown them out.

 

[jazz]

I didn't see the whole game today but Aubrey missed two layups without being close to any iron. One was a foot- foot and a half away. Unlike Gabby!

I haven't watched the game yet but my response was not that AG is like Gabby. It was that AG makes good things happen and that was the spirit of my response as well. Now looking at the box, in 18 minutes, AG had 7 pts, 6 rebounds, a steal and no TOs or fouls. She was 3-7 from the field. I'd say she probably made some good things happen.

The original post implied that AG didn't make many good things happen and that is just not even close to accurate. I was not comparing the two players however as the original post was. I thought that was clear in my response...I hope that it is now.

 

[jazz]

Can't resist one more post very quick on 3 points

1-- I don't know why you keep mentioning Nika Muhl in terms of that you were right. I think 99% of all us knew she was a good passer and had a good handle. Those are two of three basic fundamentals for a player being an offensive triplet threat.

2--- I'll reiterate. This teams needs offense. Aubrey Griffin is offensively challenged and to play her more in hopes is an enormous gamble not worth talking. And CWill is a better passer, a better shooter and has a better handle than Aubrey.

3 - I no longer believe CWill is a poor defender. I don’t think it’s even close to say that. Poor defenders would've been wiped out vs South Carolina. The biggest concern in that game was their center.

1. I don't remember anybody calling for NM to play more which is what I was eluding to. I was. Soon thereafter GA started to play her more and more and compliment her play. Then all of a sudden, the entire boneyard thinks NM is a really good player. But before this, it was 'she is a good passer but is too slow and can't shoot. Can't make a layup, etc. ' She was having early troubles with some of this, but she also had the injury and of course, people were grossly exaggerating her limitations as a player. I had many a debate about this before NM was inserted in the starting line-up.

2. You can reiterate all you want, but AG does a lot more than shoot the ball. Playing her 8 minutes more a game is not an 'enormous gamble'. Really? You think those 8 minutes are going to be so catastrophic that it will cost us the season?? CW can score when she is on, but for most of three years, she has not been on and has been really streaky. So can she do other things to help us win? Well, she is not a prolific passer, she may be marginally better than AG but she is a starting guard and should be a really good passer. CW averages more TOs per game than she does assists...at least from the SC game anyway, and that includes her best stretch of games.

3. I am not convinced that CW is not a poor defender. She may be defending better, but the competition has been poor the last month or so. To say it is 'not even close' is absurd. She gives up a lot of penetration and is rarely a factor defensively. Actually, more often than not, she is a liability. In addition, she has very few blocks and only 4 steals in the last 10 games or so. Heck, NM, whom I was told many times earlier in the year, is so very slow, had 4 steals in the first quarter the other day. That is one quarter not 9-10 games! CW plays 35+ minutes a game and can only get 4 steals in the last 10 games and average less than 1.4 assist per game??? Instead of having an Assist to TO ratio, she has a TO to Assist ratio of 1.3 since SC. That is very poor for a starting guard in her third year.

But since you brought up SC, which was roughly a month ago, it is still a decent barometer, considering they may be the best team we played all year, let me remind you of a few things. So how did the great CW do? Keep in mind that CW is a focal point of our offense and AG is not.

In 34 minutes, CW shot 3-11, had 4 TOs, 3 rebounds, no assists, no steals, no blocks and had a hard time keeping the SC guards in front of her. Fortunately, the SC guards couldn't make their shots. We only won because, out of all our players, PB was the one to take over. CW couldn't do it.

Now it wasn't AG's best game either, but in only 22 minutes, she scored 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 offensive, 2 steals, 3 blocks with 3 TOs and 4 fouls. I'd say she impacted the game more than CW in far more ways in far less time.

I hope CW turns it around and not just for one game. But I've been waiting for this to happen for 3 years. A few more minutes for AG and a few less for CW would be good for our team, in my opinion. Not 20 more minutes, not for CW to sit for half the game, just 8 minutes less to bring her down to say 30 minutes a game....I think it would help CW be more effective as well.

 

[cbraarj]

Gabby was one of my favorites players, she played out of control until he senior year, and was in foul trouble all the time, plus missed many bunnies. AG was fifth in scoring today and second in rebounding with zero fouls in 18 minutes. Next year she will be the Bernard King of WBB, Mir will be really improved, By GA and the team.

Her Jr. Year she was picked by Jay Bilas as the best athlete in CBB Men or Women and thoroughly outplayed Aja Wilson and Brianna Turner head to head that year! Two of the best teams in WCBB! Aubrey played Villanova today. Big difference.

 

[cbraarj]

I haven't watched the game yet but my response was not that AG is like Gabby. It was that AG makes good things happen and that was the spirit of my response as well. Now looking at the box, in 18 minutes, AG had 7 pts, 6 rebounds, a steal and no TOs or fouls. She was 3-7 from the field. I'd say she probably made some good things happen.

The original post implied that AG didn't make many good things happen and that is just not even close to accurate. I was not comparing the two players however as the original post was. I thought that was clear in my response...I hope that it is now.

You never know what Aubrey will show up and usually you can tell with her after a few minutes. She made a great catch and scored with a pass from Evina and a nice post up and score. Then she throws 2 bricks off the backboard hard that weren't close to iron. So as a Coach you can live with that against weaker teams but against the better teams in a close game. Is it worth it. That's why her minutes vary all the time.

 

[jazz]

You never know what Aubrey will show up and usually you can tell with her after a few minutes. She made a great catch and scored with a pass from Evina and a nice post up and score. Then she throws 2 bricks off the backboard hard that weren't close to iron. So as a Coach you can live with that against weaker teams but against the better teams in a close game. Is it worth it. That's why her minutes vary all the time.

They were bricks? One was challenged by a big and the other one I thought she was bumped. Everybody throws bricks. EW through up an airball. CW got stuffed twice. AE missed two bunnies and Liv misses bunnies all the time.

You definitely know what you will get when AG is in the game: which obviously you didn't notice. What about the 7 rebounds, the steal, the forced turnover, the three times she did finish.....no let's try to make a point by focusing on two exaggerated assertions.

She could have finished better, but overall she was effective.

As far as who shows up against weaker vs stronger teams?? AG shows up as well as anybody except for PB. Just check out the ARk and SC games. She wasn't great, but she was pretty good too and effective....Others not so much.

 

[Big Mick]

With a week layoff ...

@jazz - that was a seriously verbose effort:

Next time, could you sort of condense your opinions.

 

[Florida Fan]

One other factor including keeping CW in for long stetches is that Geno said he wants to keep 3 guards on the floor

Ag, so gifted, so raw. Her foul shots are so smooth now. Why doesn't that translate into a 15 footer? The debate continues. What will the finished product look like? But that deep pass, and the wonderful catch and finish----

 

[ABCDFE]

@jazz - that was a seriously verbose effort:
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Next time, could you sort of condense your opinions.

Jazz I do like your posts, but this got me laugh’n

 

[HuskyNan]

Ag, so gifted, so raw. Her foul shots are so smooth now. Why doesn't that translate into a 15 footer? The debate continues. What will the finished product look like? But that deep pass, and the wonderful catch and finish----

She’s a gem, to be sure. A bit unpolished now but I look forward to seeing her play once the coaching staff develops her gifts.

 

[jazz]

@jazz - that was a seriously verbose effort:
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Next time, could you sort of condense your opinions.

ill do my best. i guess i had to get some stuff off my chest....

 

[mhshuskies]

RedStickHusky, are you also a Rambler :The Red Stick Ramblers - Made in the Shade

 

[RedStickHusky]

RedStickHusky, are you also a Rambler :The Red Stick Ramblers - Made in the Shade

Nice, thanks. That is my neck of the woods.

 

[mhshuskies]

Nice, thanks. That is my neck of the woods.

Black Pot Festival is awesome!

 

[jazz]

Jazz I do like your posts, but this got me laugh’n

yeah me too. I didn't realise it was so long until afterwards. oopps!

 

[meyers7]

1. I don't remember anybody calling for NM to play more which is what I was eluding to. I was. Soon thereafter GA started to play her more and more and compliment her play. Then all of a sudden, the entire boneyard thinks NM is a really good player. But before this, it was 'she is a good passer but is too slow and can't shoot. Can't make a layup, etc. ' She was having early troubles with some of this, but she also had the injury and of course, people were grossly exaggerating her limitations as a player. I had many a debate about this before NM was inserted in the starting line-up.

2. You can reiterate all you want, but AG does a lot more than shoot the ball. Playing her 8 minutes more a game is not an 'enormous gamble'. Really? You think those 8 minutes are going to be so catastrophic that it will cost us the season?? CW can score when she is on, but for most of three years, she has not been on and has been really streaky. So can she do other things to help us win? Well, she is not a prolific passer, she may be marginally better than AG but she is a starting guard and should be a really good passer. CW averages more TOs per game than she does assists...at least from the SC game anyway, and that includes her best stretch of games.

3. I am not convinced that CW is not a poor defender. She may be defending better, but the competition has been poor the last month or so. To say it is 'not even close' is absurd. She gives up a lot of penetration and is rarely a factor defensively. Actually, more often than not, she is a liability. In addition, she has very few blocks and only 4 steals in the last 10 games or so. Heck, NM, whom I was told many times earlier in the year, is so very slow, had 4 steals in the first quarter the other day. That is one quarter not 9-10 games! CW plays 35+ minutes a game and can only get 4 steals in the last 10 games and average less than 1.4 assist per game??? Instead of having an Assist to TO ratio, she has a TO to Assist ratio of 1.3 since SC. That is very poor for a starting guard in her third year.

But since you brought up SC, which was roughly a month ago, it is still a decent barometer, considering they may be the best team we played all year, let me remind you of a few things. So how did the great CW do? Keep in mind that CW is a focal point of our offense and AG is not.

In 34 minutes, CW shot 3-11, had 4 TOs, 3 rebounds, no assists, no steals, no blocks and had a hard time keeping the SC guards in front of her. Fortunately, the SC guards couldn't make their shots. We only won because, out of all our players, PB was the one to take over. CW couldn't do it.

Now it wasn't AG's best game either, but in only 22 minutes, she scored 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 offensive, 2 steals, 3 blocks with 3 TOs and 4 fouls. I'd say she impacted the game more than CW in far more ways in far less time.

I hope CW turns it around and not just for one game. But I've been waiting for this to happen for 3 years. A few more minutes for AG and a few less for CW would be good for our team, in my opinion. Not 20 more minutes, not for CW to sit for half the game, just 8 minutes less to bring her down to say 30 minutes a game....I think it would help CW be more effective as well.

Do you ever even think they you are completely wrong about Williams?

I mean it's obvious Geno doesn't agree with you about Williams, but every other coach in the Big East doesn't agree with you about Williams either. And that doesn't give you any pause???

 

[GW15MJ4MM23]

Per the UConn WBB box score, AG played 10 minutes in the 34 point win.

Was that Geno maintaining chemistry with 6 player rotation, especially 3 guards? Or function of players earning PT in practice? Or both?

Love reinvigorated comments from emotional GA.

 

[RedStickHusky]

Per the UConn WBB box score, AG played 10 minutes in the 34 point win.

Was that Geno maintaining chemistry with 6 player rotation, especially 3 guards? Or function of players earning PT in practice? Or both?

Love reinvigorated comments from emotional GA.

I think in part, it's a commitment to Anna getting her minutes limit... Not sure that's going to end up working at this point but he seems to want to try to work her back in. Hoping for another shooter, I'd guess.

 

[GW15MJ4MM23]

Gabby was one of my favorites players, she played out of control until he senior year, and was in foul trouble all the time, plus missed many bunnies. AG was fifth in scoring today and second in rebounding with zero fouls in 18 minutes. Next year she will be the Bernard King of WBB, Mir will be really improved, By GA and the team.

I recall games that were over at halftime when refs called touch fouls on Collier and Gabby in first 2 minutes of 3rd quarter.

Sophomore Collier had 81 fouls and junior Gabby had 66 fouls.

UCONNHUSKIES.COM :: University Of Connecticut Official Athletic Site - Stats

Junior Collier had 65 fouls and senior Gabby had 64 fouls.

2017 18 overall stats (PDF) - University of Connecticut Athletics

Gabby was AA as junior and senior. Gabby was DPOY as junior. Not exactly out of control.

 

[jazz]

Do you ever even think they you are completely wrong about Williams?

I mean it's obvious Geno doesn't agree with you about Williams, but every other coach in the Big East doesn't agree with you about Williams either. And that doesn't give you any pause???

of course I think that. but I'd like to see how it would work.

every coach in doesn't know if CW would be even better if she only had to play 30 minutes instead of 38. But yeah, I have doubts about my opinions but not necessarily because others don't agree.

Not comparing myself to him, but a long time ago a certain guy said the world was round and absolutely nobody agreed with him.