These are the AG facts!

[meyers7]

Now that GIF may make sense to others, BUT it doesn't make any sense to me

Jazz is fighting windmills. i.e. to fight imaginary evils or opponents

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[GRIFFBIFF20]

Lmao!

 

[oldhusky]

I think Nika's injury and Anna returning, puts the starting lineup and distribution of minutes up for reconsideration.
Aubrey scores at a higher volume and efficiency than most players, despite her lack of pure shooting abilities. True she can not space the floor, but does it in different ways.

Personally I was against the small/ball lineup from the beginning, but I understand that some of that logic was due to the experience of Evina, Christyn, and Anna, vs. two freshmen (Aaliyah and Mir) and one soph in Aubrey that played less than Anna last year.

The bigs have more game experience now, and the argument for small/ball is weaker now. None of the "experienced players" have had a breakout quantum leap. Aaliyah has emerged from the pack, as the one player who most needs to be moved into the starting lineup, but not just because of her.

If you look at the PER stats (player efficiency rating), you might be surprised that not one, but every one of the PF's have a significantly better PER than all of the guards and wings not named Paige. Yes Aaliyah, Aubrey and even Mir are all better by a significant margin on this comprehensive stat than Christyn and Evina, and way better than Anna and Nika.

So the reason to start Aaliyah which is sound in isolation, is even more relevant because Aubrey for sure and perhaps Mir as well need more minutes too. We don't have to fit a square peg in a round hole because we don't have good PF options. We have two very goods ones and maybe three, and a guard is injured. Playing Evina, Christyn, or Anna at the four, reduces the minutes of all three of the PF's.

I presume that would mean Paige, Christyn and Evina starting, and Anna being a versatile backup at all three positions. When Paige is out Evina becomes the principle point guard. With Anna stretched to back up three spots, we might have to go big/ball for stretches, where Aubrey or Mir covers some of the backup minutes at the wing.

Most on the Boneyard think Aaliyah is the ultimate long term starter at PF anyway. She has proved herself and the injury to Nika just makes it that much easier to do it now, getting not just more minutes for her, but Aubrey and perhaps Mir as well.

 

[Biff]

PEACE AND LOVE EVERYONE !! I LOVE AND ENJOY AUBREY GRIFFIN'S GAME TOO AND BELIEVE HER "PER MINUTE PLAYED" STATS WARRANT INCREASED PLAYING TIME, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER AND "RESPECT" (AND THIS INCLUDES EVERYONE ON THE BONEYARD

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[jazz]

How about he just watches game film and come up with his own plan, oh wait he does. Hence the new starting lineup and substitution pattern, which may change with Nika's injury.

thanks for stating the obvious Nick. You are very clever now aren't you!

 

[GRIFFBIFF20]

There is a longstanding policy of not typing in all caps. Please refrain from this practice.

 

[npignatjr]

thanks for stating the obvious Nick. You are very clever now aren't you!

You state the obvious, about me. But seem to believe the coaching staff less so, at least less than you.

 

[donalddoowop]

If AG could shoot..dribble or pass the ball in offensive sets she would get more playing time..with her limited basketball skills i think getting 18 mins or so on the #1 team in the nation is about right

She does not have limited basketball skills and your opinion won't change that. She has not exhibited them yet. She has limited knowledge of the UConn system.

 

[jazz]

Not buying any of this. Especially the party where when Dungee beats everyone else it is in your words "abuse" but when she beats Aubrey she just happen to get by. My observation is that Dungee was an equally opportunity abuser in this game. Dungee, Slocum and Ramirez was giving it to EVERYONE!

It's ok, I'm not trying to sell you anything. But your observation is flawed. AG played well on defense and was not getting beat like the rest of the our guards. But before you go telling me I'm wrong, then you need to watch the game again Coco.

Dungee went straight by everybody that guarded her with the exception of AG. Dungee made it look easy against CW and EW. She had to work against AG. Just watch the game and tell me where AG gets beaten badly like CW and EW did. AG did have one lapse on a dribble penetration but that is about it.

As I said, AG gave up 7 points to Dungee and she had to earn them.

 

[jazz]

You state the obvious, about me. But seem to believe the coaching staff less so, at least less than you.

I'm not following you. But if you are trying to say that the coaching staff know more than I do about their own players, then welcome to reality mate. I would freaking hope so and thanks for enlightening me.

Doesn't mean I have to agree with them ALL the time does it?

 

[GRIFFBIFF20]

You state the obvious, about me. But seem to believe the coaching staff less so, at least less than you.

"Peace and Love" / "Peace and Love"

 

[Centerstream]

REMEMBER - EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO POST THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS ON THIS SITE, WHEN EVER THEY WANT TO, JUST AS LONG AS IT IS RESPECTFUL !!! (And We All Can Agree To Disagree to which We ALL Also Must Respect). [although I happen to 100% agree with Jazz). So with that, my message to JAZZ is, POST AS YOU WILL and IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET YOUR "PERSONAL OPINION" ACCROSS, THEN

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[jazz]

She does not have limited basketball skills and your opinion won't change that. She has not exhibited them yet. She has limited knowledge of the UConn system.

I agree Donald for the most part, but I also think she doesn't have a great feel for what GA wants out of her in the half court. She seems to struggle with what her instincts tell her to do and what GA is telling her to do. She is caught between the two and that to me is as much a coaching problem as it is a player problem.

 

[VidNick]

Obviously, statistics alone don't tell the whole story as many other variables may factor in. With that said, based on actual games played, AG (11.5) has a higher performance rating than both Nika (7.4) and Anna (9.6). Extrapolation has its own set of problems, but just for fun, here are the stats based on 35 min per game for each player: ONO: 25.8, Edwards 23.5, Paige 22.7, AG: 22.7, EW: 16.9, CW: 14.4, Anna: 12.8, Nika: 10.3.

Pretty interesting that ONO, despite sometimes missing bunnies and open 15 footers, is nonetheless very effective. Very surprised at lower numbers for the guards, with exception of Paige. I think biggest factor is poor 3 point shooting.

 

[browns]

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but I certainly think she can dribble and pass and has shown this many times.

Not in the system of they're offense.She's a below average passer and ball handler.Watch when they in bound a pass after the other team scores and it happens to go to AG.She stands there and waits to give it to a teammate because she can't or won't dribble over half court.No use even mentioning her shooting..You say she deserves more playing time..then why doesn't she get more..What in your opinion is the reason she doesn't get more minutes?

 

[jazz]

Obviously, statistics alone don't tell the whole story as many other variables may factor in. With that said, based on actual games played, AG (11.5) has a higher performance rating than both Nika (7.4) and Anna (9.6). Extrapolation has its own set of problems, but just for fun, here are the stats based on 35 min per game for each player: ONO: 25.8, Edwards 23.5, Paige 22.7, AG: 22.7, EW: 16.9, CW: 14.4, Anna: 12.8, Nika: 10.3.

Pretty interesting that ONO, despite sometimes missing bunnies and open 15 footers, is nonetheless very effective. Very surprised at lower numbers for the guards, with exception of Paige. I think biggest factor is poor 3 point shooting.

You are right that stats don't tell the whole story but they always tell you something, and usually that something is a big something.

Good defense like keeping players in front of you and stopping dribble penetration doesn't show up in the box. Tie ups and forced errors don't show up either....just to count a few.

 

[cbraarj]

Aubrey is a great athlete that is playing basketball! She can't shoot further than 4 feet from the rim! Her 3 point shot starting with her form is a Jr. high players! So when she is out there or the high post why guard her! Double down low on Liv or Aaliyah because it's easy to play 5 on 4 defense! She can only play the 4 or 5 and only if she's on the low block because she can't hit the high post jumper! Edwards is the 4 and if she stays out of foul trouble should be on the floor here on out. Her physicality is needed on this team and she gets better every game! If Amari starts next year like AE did Griffins minutes will be cut even more unless she makes a big jump offensively!

 

[npignatjr]

"Peace and Love" / "Peace and Love"

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You attack I respond, I was just responding. That just directed at me?

 

[RedStickHusky]

If you look at the PER stats (player efficiency rating), you might be surprised that not one, but every one of the PF's have a significantly better PER than all of the guards and wings not named Paige. Yes Aaliyah, Aubrey and even Mir are all better by a significant margin on this comprehensive stat than Christyn and Evina, and way better than Anna and Nika.

But they've accrued those numbers playing the same position. Put them on the floor together and they are sharing those same numbers, or worse. There's no reason to think those #'s won't change when you start playing them out of position; Geno wants to play the small lineup for spacing and ball movement. Roll out four forwards and watch the turnovers accumulate. Aubrey has made some nice plays putting the ball on the floor from the wing but she's not a distributor and you don't want her with the ball in her hands making decisions for extended minutes. This is not a knock, she's simply not a 1 or a 2 and that's where people seem to want to find her minutes. It's not Christyn or Evina that are eating Aubrey's potential minutes, it's Aaliyah and, as impactful as Aubrey undeniably is, Aaliyah is earning what she's getting.

 

[GRIFFBIFF20]

You are right that stats don't tell the whole story but they always tell you something, and usually that something is a big something.

Good defense like keeping players in front of you and stopping dribble penetration doesn't show up in the box. Tie ups and forced errors don't show up either....just to count a few.

 

[HuskyNan]

With a week layoff and due to recent disagreements concerning AG’s (Aubrey) play, in particular against Ark, I decided to review the game, mostly keeping my eye on 4 players: AG, CW, EW and Dungee. For convenience, I’ve broken this analysis down by summary and then the details.

For those of you who think AG got abused by Dungee, you are flat wrong! No way to cherry-coat it, you are full of complete bulls***!

These are the facts: AG gave up 7 points to Dungee the entire time she was in the game. Most all of AG’s offensive and rebounding stats came in the first half when she played 16 of 20 minutes.

Dungee scored 30 points off of Uconn players not named AG. CW (Christyn) and EW (Evina) were consistently abused by Dungee, but to my knowledge nobody has ever mentioned this. Instead, somehow it was AG’s fault Dungee went for 37. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your silly opinion. If we play Ark, again, I would think GA would come up with slightly different plan to guard Dungee.

Frist half summary:

AG plays all but 4 minutes. Uconn up 2. 43-41. Uconn on pace to score 86 pts which is ample to win games and most of the time AG is in the game. But yet I constantly hear that AG slows down the offense!!!

Poor defense by most Uconn players EXCEPT AG causing Ark to score 41. AG only gave up 3 points in the first half to Dungee. Numerous TOs by UCONN players not named AG thereby wasting several possessions!

AG scores 6 pts on 2-4 shooting, including a 3. 5 rebounds, including 2 offensive (only one in the box but definitely had 2), 2 steals. She also created two additional possessions for Uconn which don’t get counted in the box but are as good as steals: tie-up to gain an extra possession and caused a TO with aggressive defense to gain another additional possession.

Defense: Dungee 1-2 against AG, scored ONLY 3 points. Twice AG stopped Dungee cold. Dungee running by all other UCONN defenders like they don’t exist! Dungee scores 12 on the rest of the team for a total of 15 at the half.

AG played very well in the first half. She did her job!

Second Half summary:

AG plays only 3 minutes: goes 0-1, 1 rebound and gives up 4 pts. Then she sits the rest of the game.

First Half Details:

2 Rebounds, 2 steals – fumbled the second one out of bounds when going in for the layup, post up for 2,missed 2 outside jumpers 1 for 2 on FT, scoring 3 in the 1st Qtr, great defense throughout and gave up only 3pts to Dungee. Stopped her cold once and she shot 1-2. CW very good shooting. Problem with TOs from Liv and CW, losing 5 possession as a result. Score 22-18, UCONN on pace to score 88 – too many TOs.

Start of 2nd Qtr, EW on Dungee and she easily goes by her for 2 pts, then easily goes by CW for another two. Big difference when AG is on her as Dungee has to really work to score. CW with the TO but AG with the tie-up and saves the possession. With the extra possession that AG gave UCONN, we get a lay-up out of it. AG out at 8:10 to go in 2nd Qtr, Uconn up by 2 at 24-22. Later Dungee uses a pick and easily goes by CW again for 2 more pts.

Corner three and TOs killing UCONN. AG back in at 4:18. Sat for 4 minutes during which time AE (Aaliyah) took over. Uconn up by 3. AG immediately gets another rebound. Aggressive defense from AG causes a TO by Ark.

Uconn quickly goes up by 8 with AG back in the game but two straight poor defensive possessions, one by CW and the other by NM leads to 4 pts and then an offensive foul on AE. Then CW gives up 3 to Dungee. CW with the offensive foul and then gives up another easy two for Dungee. Got to wonder why GA has CW on Dungee. Dungee knows she can take her every time! Poor coaching.

AG with another offensive board to get UCONN another possession. Third offensive foul on Uconn in a span of 4 minutes. AG hits the three from the corner. Uconn leads at half 43-41



2nd Half Details:

Dungee immediately goes by EW like she wasn’t even there for a quick 2. Dungee puts 2-3 moves together to get a pretty scoop shot against AG. But, she had to really work for it. She didn’t just breeze by her like she does against CW and EW.

First time I saw poor defense by AG giving up the dribble penetration. Where is the help defense in the middle of the lane? Where is Liv? CW bricks two open shots in the flow of the offense. Uconn now down by 7, 50-43. What happens if CW can hit those shots, which are easy mid-range shots?? This is why we now have NM (Nika) starting and PB coming off those picks for the mid-range instead of CW! What happens if we get a little help defense to protect the lane from Liv?

AG defensive rebound, AG misses a three and then CW gives up the ANOTHER easy lay-up. CW defense is beyond horrible! But GA must be ok with this because he decides to sit AG instead. AG out of the game at 7 minutes, 52-43 Ark, never to return. CW gets another mid-range but gets her shot blocked this time.

CW gives up the drive AGAIN with the foul. CW gives up a three AGAIN, bricks 2 FTs and then bricks an open three. Dungee going off with 2 three pointers…but AG is on the bench. GA has seen enough of CW missing and now makes PB the focal point of the offense with NM at the point to feed her coming off picks…gets a quick 4 points and goes off the rest of the game.

4th offensive foul on Uconn with complete BS call on EW. Dungees get to the rim again creating the put-back for Barnum. To be honest, this was one of several times I thought Dungee drew the foul, but none called. Really savvy player! Dungee goes by MM but that was a clear offensive foul…hmm Uconn called for ticky tacky offensive fouls (2 were not even fouls) and clearly Dungee pushes off and doesn’t get called for the foul!

5th offensive foul on Uconn as AE fouls out. How many times does a team get called for 5 offensive fouls in 2.5 quarters?? That is hard, very hard to do! Refs are biased with these calls.

CW gives up ANOTHER corner 3 after NM played Dungee tough. An horrendous defensive game by CW. Numerous defensive lapses by CW and throwing up bricks on offensive but for some reason, GA sticks with her.

Rameriz closes the 3rd out with a deep contested three. Uconn down 72-62 and falls three points further behind with AG on the bench who only played 3 minutes in the 3rd quarter. UConn gives up 31 points in the 3rd alone after giving up 41 in the entire first half. Obviously, AG sitting on the bench didn’t help. To be fair, Ark was hitting their shots too.

4th quarter

Dungee gets away with another clear push off. Makes no sense that the refs don’t see this but yet call tick-tacky offensive fouls against Uconn and two were not even fouls. Dungee abuses EW again and goes around her likes she isn’t even there. Dungee against CW or EW is like taking candy from a baby!

Uconn closing the gap as PB has taken over with NM in the game. This is when I think GA started to contemplate starting NM so he can get PB more involved and CW less involved.

Dungee gets away with at least her 3rd offensive foul by pushing NM to the floor. Also, this was the last terrific game on the offensive end from EW. She was terrific on that end, but not very good defensively. EW goes under the screen giving up ANOTHER 3 to Rameriz.

Dungee abuses CW AGAIN to the bucket for the 2 and a foul.

I appreciate that you took the time to write this post but could you please define the players’ initials first before using them? Some of us more, um, mature readers need a couple seconds to scroll through the roster in our minds to know who you’re talking about. It has the unfortunate effect of making reading long posts tedious

 

[jazz]

Not in the system of they're offense.She's a below average passer and ball handler.Watch when they in bound a pass after the other team scores and it happens to go to AG.She stands there and waits to give it to a teammate because she can't or won't dribble over half court.No use even mentioning her shooting..You say she deserves more playing time..then why doesn't she get more..What in your opinion is the reason she doesn't get more minutes?

This thread wasn't about playing time. But to answer your question, I think she deserves more playing time for a number of reasons:
1. She is a very good and versatile defender.
2. She is an excellent rebounder.
3. She can be used to post up players which she was doing effectively when GA was calling for that earlier in the year.
4. She can dribble and take her man to the basket if they over-play her.
5. She is adequate in the half court and if allowed more time, I think she could develop more chemistry.
6. She has hit the 3 before and I think she needs to hit a couple and she will take off. She has good form but you can see she lacks confidence my really over-aiming the shot. NM got past this.
7. She makes an impact every single time she is on the floor.

I believe she is not getting playing time due to the following:
1. Emergence of AE is the biggest reason
2. Emergence of NM at the point and GA leaving EW and CW in the game for long minutes. He has reduced EW's minutes down, but her refuses to do that to CW, no matter how bad she plays, especially on defense.
3. I don't think GA will ever bench CW much(he has only done it once to my knowledge) because he doesn't want to lose her emotionally and mentally(I get the feeling she can lose confidence easily), and to be honest, if she could just hit her open jumpers she would be twice the player she is now.
4. She doesn't quite have the chemistry with the other players on the half court, but I think that would come with longer more consistent minutes. She was playing well over 20 and now down to around 10 minutes per game, give or take. The last time she played big minutes in a half (16 against Ark), UConn scored 43 and if not for silly turnovers by other players, it could have been 50. That is pretty good production against a pretty good team.

 

[HuskyNan]

REMEMBER - EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO POST THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS ON THIS SITE, WHEN EVER THEY WANT TO, JUST AS LONG AS IT IS RESPECTFUL !!! (And We All Can Agree To Disagree to which We ALL Also Must Respect). [although I happen to 100% agree with Jazz). So with that, my message to JAZZ is, POST AS YOU WILL and IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET YOUR "PERSONAL OPINION" ACCROSS, THEN

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Stop shouting. we get it

 

[jazz]

I appreciate that you took the time to write this post but could you please define the players’ initials first before using them? Some of us more, um, mature readers need a couple seconds to scroll through the roster in our minds to know who you’re talking about. It has the unfortunate effect of making reading long posts tedious

I thought you gave a list of all the initials.....

 

[jazz]

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you do make me crack up Griff!

 

[RedStickHusky]

FWIW, post players are always going to have higher efficiency ratings then perimeter players. No one's ever extrapolated from that to "let's play five posts". The only thing unusual about this UConn team is Paige's unreal efficiency.

 

[chrissaran]

Does anyone know how Seton Hall and AEH made out last night- just asking?

They lost to Creighton again.

 

[GRIFFBIFF20]

Stop shouting. we get it

 

[jazz]

But they've accrued those numbers playing the same position. Put them on the floor together and they are sharing those same numbers, or worse. There's no reason to think those #'s won't change when you start playing them out of position; Geno wants to play the small lineup for spacing and ball movement. Roll out four forwards and watch the turnovers accumulate. Aubrey has made some nice plays putting the ball on the floor from the wing but she's not a distributor and you don't want her with the ball in her hands making decisions for extended minutes. This is not a knock, she's simply not a 1 or a 2 and that's where people seem to want to find her minutes. It's not Christyn or Evina that are eating Aubrey's potential minutes, it's Aaliyah and, as impactful as Aubrey undeniably is, Aaliyah is earning what she's getting.

No doubt Red but also GA is going with NM at the point to help get PB going while also playing CW for over 35 minutes every game. I think if you switched out CW with AG for an additional 8-10 minutes a game, I think you might improve the overall efficiency of the game. CW gives up a lot on the defensive end and throws up a lot of bricks. Maybe she could improve with a bit more rest each game.

Yes I know that GA doens't agree.

 

[chrissaran]

Aubrey is physically gifted. However, she is not confident when she gets the ball. Her first instinct is to pass the ball to another player. Her second instinct is to drive to the basket, which she does with some success. She needs to learn to pass better and to drive better to get more minutes. Some of her plays are absolutely incredible.