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BTW, on a coolnees factor NBC showed this pic during yesterday's coverage.

Chilling in Cabo between Traveler's win and The Open.

PHOTOS: Jordan Spieth's pre-British Open vacation in Cabo

That would be Michael Phelps, Spieth, Russell Wilson, Dwight Freeny, MJ and Freddie Couples.

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superjohn said:
Exactlty, that's why I don't understand what Whaler and Fishy are arguing. I don't watch much golf but have watched enough to see when a player hits it in a really strange spot there is all sorts of different scenarios discussed and you better have the rules officals out there with you to discuss every possible rule.

I've heard of and seen guys lose tournaments because they didn't take enough time with officials and not knowing the long and complicated rule book. I saw Dustin Johnson lose a major for grounding his club in a sand trap when the entire course was one big sand trap.
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Because when you are melting down the organization shouldn't allow you 27 minutes to recover while your opponent is sitting in the fairway.

Maybe try watching it before having such a strong opinion. They would have given him an hour if he wanted it.

The idea that this was 27 minutes of ruling delay is nonsense.
 
Fishy said:
He's was not waiting on rulings; he was looking for the best place to take the drop.

If anyone is saying that what happened today is routine, they're wrong.
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Yes he was waiting on a ruling. He couldn't drop the ball directly on the line it needed to be dropped because of trailers/equipment in the way. He was waiting on officials to tell him where he could legally drop his ball. I suppose he could have done the alternative and dropped it wherever the hell he wanted only to get DQed when he signed his score card and they ruled he dropped his ball in an incorrect location.
 
whaler11 said:
Because when you are melting down the organization shouldn't allow you 27 minutes to recover while your opponent is sitting in the fairway.

Maybe try watching it before having such a strong opinion. They would have given him an hour if he wanted it.

The idea that this was 27 minutes of ruling delay is nonsense.
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Strong opinion? All I've asked is what rules were broken. From my understanding of the situation it seems you should have a problem with golf and not Spieth. You seem to have extremely strong opinions about Spieth though.
 
I find myself agreeing with John here, and I never agree with that guy. Bonus.

In terms of being a bad look for golf, too funny. Spieth's comeback was the best look golf's had since his choke job at the Masters.

He probably won't ever get to Tiger's TV draw level, but make no mistake - the guy is great for golf.

And when your nickname is "Cooch" you've gotta expect to get screwed on occasion. Too much.
 
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superjohn said:
Strong opinion? All I've asked is what rules were broken. From my understanding of the situation it seems you should have a problem with golf and not Spieth. You seem to have extremely strong opinions about Spieth though.
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You have posted 10 times about something you haven't watched. Obviously the only rule is 'undue delay'. Nobody with the R&A had any interest in defining that.

I dislike the way this was handled by the R&A. I dislike the pace at which Speith plays in general but don't have any strong opinion about him either way.

I dislike the fawning everyone is doing over his recovery while ignoring he took a half hour to hit a shot. I dislike the rank hypocricy because people want him to win.

Think about that for just one second - he took a half of an hour to play his second shot. Yet because people wanted him to win it's fine and dandy.

Had Monty beat an American after taking a half hour to hit a shot in that situation trust me nobody would be making excuses for him.
 
Olliewood216 said:
Apparently you don't watch golf very often. It is EXTREMELY rare to get put on the clock. Even with all the delays and the 20 minute shot they played in exactly 4 hours. The average hacker playing fast in a cart doesn't play that fast, so let's keep it all in perspective.
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He was warned during the front 9, if a group falls over a full hole behind, which they were before that absurd delay, they can be put on the clock, it would never happen in that situation or any major unless its the Masters and you are a 14 year old Chinesse kid, had it been the Honda Classic and he was an early group strong chance they would have been on the clock.
 
whaler11 said:
You have posted 10 times about something you haven't watched. Obviously the only rule is 'undue delay'. Nobody with the R&A had any interest in defining that.

I dislike the way this was handled by the R&A. I dislike the pace at which Speith plays in general but don't have any strong opinion about him either way.

I dislike the fawning everyone is doing over his recovery while ignoring he took a half hour to hit a shot. I dislike the rank hypocricy because people want him to win.

Think about that for just one second - he took a half of an hour to play his second shot. Yet because people wanted him to win it's fine and dandy.

Had Monty beat an American after taking a half hour to hit a shot in that situation trust me nobody would be making excuses for him.
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Just because you watched it and he didn't doesn't make you right...you're still wrong
 
Olliewood216 said:
Just because you watched it and he didn't doesn't make you right...you're still wrong
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I'm not but then again I'm not interpreting rules based on who I want to win.

It is fun to have someone who didn't watch have a strong opinion on it. Maybe next time he can take an hour and a half and have soup and a sandwich delivered.
 
Jerry1714 said:
He was warned during the front 9, if a group falls over a full hole behind, which they were before that absurd delay, they can be put on the clock, it would never happen in that situation or any major unless its the Masters and you are a 14 year old Chinesse kid, had it been the Honda Classic and he was an early group strong chance they would have been on the clock.
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You also realize there was no one else even in the tournament at that point? Everyone else was 4-5 shots behind. It wasn't just them playing slow, the groups in front of them weren't exactly playing for first and they knew it...if they had been they would have been playing at a slower pace as well.
 
Jerry1714 said:
He was warned during the front 9, if a group falls over a full hole behind, which they were before that absurd delay, they can be put on the clock, it would never happen in that situation or any major unless its the Masters and you are a 14 year old Chinesse kid, had it been the Honda Classic and he was an early group strong chance they would have been on the clock.
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And after they were three holes behind.

That is fine though - because the guy they wanted to win won.

I can't wait until some of these folks are crying about favortism when it is against them.
 
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Olliewood216 said:
You also realize there was no one else even in the tournament at that point? Everyone else was 4-5 shots behind. It wasn't just them playing slow, the groups in front of them weren't exactly playing for first and they knew it...if they had been they would have been playing at a slower pace as well.
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You do realize there was a guy playing well sitting in the fairway while he got his bearing back right? Was not he not harmed? There was also a guy in the clubhouse only 2 back of Speith. Was he not harmed?

Just say I don't give a crap about the sport because the guy I wanted to win won.

That's a bit better than this garbage.
 
whaler11 said:
I'm not but then again I'm not interpreting rules based on who I want to win.

It is fun to have someone who didn't watch have a strong opinion on it. Maybe next time he can take an hour and a half and have soup and a sandwich delivered.
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Again, what is my strong opinion? I've only read about it and asked questions here. As I keep saying it seems you should be taking umbrage with golf and not the player.

I could care less who wins but would have preferred Kuchar since he's older, has never won, and is a nice guy.
 
whaler11 said:
You do realize there was a guy playing well sitting in the fairway while he got his bearing back right? Was not he not harmed? There was also a guy in the clubhouse only 2 back of Speith. Was he not harmed?

Just say I don't give a crap about the sport because the guy I wanted to win won.

That's a bit better than this garbage.
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Apparently you guys have never played golf in a tournament in a stressful situation. I played competitive golf in HS (was actually one of the best golfers in the state of CT my senior year). Trust me, when you hit a shot that bad, you don't want to take 20 minutes hitting your next shot. You're acting like this is basketball and the 20 minute breather he got gave him momentum. They guy had already made 4 bogies on the front side, he had zero momentum (and neither did Kuchar at that point by the way). For most normal human beings that 20 minute debacle would have caused us to unravel completely. Remember Jean Vandevelde? That guy lost The Open because he took way too much time overthinking what he was doing and he caved in. This isn't like basketball or football, Speith wasn't "icing" his opponent, he was trying not to lose the Open on a rules violation
 
Gives an otherwise no storyline PGA in 3 weeks in Charlotte a major storyline.

Can Jordan get the career gland slam?
 
whaler11 said:
You do realize there was a guy playing well sitting in the fairway while he got his bearing back right? Was not he not harmed?
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He said he wasn't. He said he expected Spieth to take a lot of time. Said he felt great coming out of that hole.

But that's not going to matter to you, right?
 
Vandevdle worst choke in sports history still, worse than Norman in '96 Masters

Dude has 3 stroke lead going into 18th and pulls driver out

Could have pulled hit 2 5 irons to green

Spieth's caddie would have never let that happen

Olliewood216 said:
Apparently you guys have never played golf in a tournament in a stressful situation. I played competitive golf in HS (was actually one of the best golfers in the state of CT my senior year). Trust me, when you hit a shot that bad, you don't want to take 20 minutes hitting your next shot. You're acting like this is basketball and the 20 minute breather he got gave him momentum. They guy had already made 4 bogies on the front side, he had zero momentum (and neither did Kuchar at that point by the way). For most normal human beings that 20 minute debacle would have caused us to unravel completely. Remember Jean Vandevelde? That guy lost The Open because he took way too much time overthinking what he was doing and he caved in. This isn't like basketball or football, Speith wasn't "icing" his opponent, he was trying not to lose the Open on a rules violation
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MadDogRevival said:
He said he wasn't. He said he expected Spieth to take a lot of time. Said he felt great coming out of that hole.

But that's not going to matter to you, right?
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LOL. Aren't you that Frank Ivy idiot?

Matt Kuchar didn't say anything negative. The guy who sat in the fairway like he was waiting for his mommy to bring him a juice box. Shocking.
 
Olliewood216 said:
Apparently you guys have never played golf in a tournament in a stressful situation. I played competitive golf in HS (was actually one of the best golfers in the state of CT my senior year). Trust me, when you hit a shot that bad, you don't want to take 20 minutes hitting your next shot. You're acting like this is basketball and the 20 minute breather he got gave him momentum. They guy had already made 4 bogies on the front side, he had zero momentum (and neither did Kuchar at that point by the way). For most normal human beings that 20 minute debacle would have caused us to unravel completely. Remember Jean Vandevelde? That guy lost The Open because he took way too much time overthinking what he was doing and he caved in. This isn't like basketball or football, Speith wasn't "icing" his opponent, he was trying not to lose the Open on a rules violation
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Sure we can ignore the fact that we watched it unfold and the delay was not because of rule interpretation.

Did you watch it with SuperJohn?
 
jleves said:
It's not his own set of rules. It wasn't an unprecedented event. Tiger hitting a ball on the roof of the club house wasn't resolved in a few minutes. Sure it wasn't a major, but this from ESPN: Figuring out where Woods should drop took so long that the group behind his was told to play through.
They want to get it right and the clock basically stops for extraordinary situations. He wasn't purposely wasting time - he was asking for rulings and figuring out where he could play from.

He certainly can't hit the ball before the officials figure it out.
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Where exactly did the original shot lie? When I saw the shot it looked like it was buried on that steep hill (other side) but then he was down on the other practice area. In fact it looked liked the fans were hustling on the hill to surround his ball.

Was his shot not playable on the hill or did it land in the practice area behind the trailers?

Or was there another obstruction (i.e. line of sight)?
 
The last group gets to do what it wants, its the way that it is. Last group typically plays slower. Kuchar wont say anything, he would have done the same thing. Speith is slow, so is Furyk, Jason Day, Jack was very slow and Tiger was later on, probably manipulating entire tournaments.
 
Kitaman said:
Where exactly did the original shot lie? When I saw the shot it looked like it was buried on that steep hill (other side) but then he was down on the other practice area. In fact it looked liked the fans were hustling on the hill to surround his ball.

Was his shot not playable on the hill or did it land in the practice area behind the trailers?

Or was there another obstruction (i.e. line of sight)?
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I honestly just fast forwarded through most of it, but the ball did come to rest on the side of that hill in such a way, I don't know that he could possible get a club on it so it was called unplayable. He could go back to the tee or go back along the line, but going back on the line put a bunch of trailers and tents in the way. I'm sure they consider where to put those things so situations like this don't arise, but his drive was literally one of the worst I've ever seen by a pro at least 100 yards off line - hence bringing the carefully placed equipment into play after all. It took a while to evaluate the position and deem it unplayable and then a while to figure out where the line to go back was and then finally, where they could legally move it to in order to give him a shot not obstructed by temporary equipment and structures.

That's how I understood the situation. Someone probably has a better explanation (by the rules - obviously several people have a better explanation outside the rules),
 
jleves said:
I honestly just fast forwarded through most of it, but the ball did come to rest on the side of that hill in such a way, I don't know that he could possible get a club on it so it was called unplayable. He could go back to the tee or go back along the line, but going back on the line put a bunch of trailers and tents in the way. I'm sure they consider where to put those things so situations like this don't arise, but his drive was literally one of the worst I've ever seen by a pro at least 100 yards off line - hence bringing the carefully placed equipment into play after all. It took a while to evaluate the position and deem it unplayable and then a while to figure out where the line to go back was and then finally, where they could legally move it to in order to give him a shot not obstructed by temporary equipment and structures.

That's how I understood the situation. Someone probably has a better explanation (by the rules - obviously several people have a better explanation outside the rules),
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You hit the main points.

Horrible drive comes to rest on a hill. Takes one stroke for an unplayable.

Goes back along line of sight beyond golf equipment trailers to get more room to clear hill.
 
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whaler11 said:
Sure we can ignore the fact that we watched it unfold and the delay was not because of rule interpretation.

Did you watch it with SuperJohn?
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You clearly don't watch much golf if what happened today really upset you that much. And yes, the delay was because of "rule interpretation" because he couldn't drop on the line of his shot due to equipment. I'll give you a little bit of a pass because NBC covered it very poorly because even they didn't know what was going on. If that bothered you, you shouldn't be watching golf.
 
Kitaman said:
My golf buddies would have made me play it on the hill (and vice versa), especially if money is on the line.

Of course I would have 'accidently' kicked my ball.
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Fortunately you don't need anyone's permission to declare your ball unplayable. The player determines if his ball is unplayable.

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Chin Diesel said:
Fortunately you don't need anyone's permission to declare your ball unplayable. The player determines if his ball is unplayable.

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I've got to find new golf buddies, or put a rule book in my bag.

Please help me out:

If I go back to the tee and re-hit my tee shot for an unplayable (not a provisional), am I now hitting my 2nd or 3rd shot?
 
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