Ray Allen seeking protective order against UConn

[gtcam]

JC "forces" KO onto the program as HC - a position he was not ready to undertake
Some of JC's actions get the team on probation
The OBE implodes and UConn limps into the AAC
KO wins NC - a miracle but still it gave us #4
The AAC makes it hard to recruit on the level that UConn is accustomed
KO suffers a personal setback
The team spirals in the AAC - due to many circumstances and KO does have a part in the play
KO is fired on charges that are overlooked at most any P5 school - perpetuated, in my honest opinion- by DB the db with the NCAA
UConn places itself on self imposed probation to add fuel to the don't pay KO a penny fire and in their zeal to stick it to KO they involve Ray
KO had a final two/three year record that is cause for removal - no doubt in my mind at all- - the rest of the crap is an attempt by DB to justify the "contract violation" and in doing so has dragged this thing through the mud.
Yes, KO signed the contract but many didn't expect UConn administration to react the way they did. The former players know the game and understand that the violations are crap and have seen/heard the same going on in most basketball power schools - the difference - UConn is in financial crisis and have decided that hurting their own is easier than paying something
KO should not be coaching this team and DB should not be in the AD seat - DB is a wolf in sheeps clothing here at UConn
This is going to be uglier as time goes on and it didn't have to be this way
This whole thing is a ridiculous soap opera that has plenty of blame to go around
Ray is UConn, KO is UConn - Suzy and DB are not UConn - just political hacks- and lousy at that too
November is coming quickly = let's play some hoops

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Makes no sense. KO broke the rules big time. Uconn is being punished and he is out of college coaching for 3 years.

I suspect KO's lawyers will take the position that the NCAA is not a Court of Law, and UConn not only didn't put up a defense, but actually agreed to a bunch of meaningless penalties that aren't really penalties at all. UConn is using these non-penalties as justification for not paying Ollie $10 million. Ollie's biggest problem is weak termination language in his contract, but I do not think the NCAA ruling is dispositive of anything.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Did you pass 8th grade?

Relevance?

 

[Fishy]

No one outside of Connecticut cares about about this...barely anyone inside of Connecticut cares about this.

Public relations and Ray Allen's feelings are about the last things they need to consider here.

If there is a reasonable settlement to be made, make it. If there's not, man the battle stations.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Relevance?

Your reading comprehension is disturbingly poor.

Unless you couldn't pass eighth grade; then it makes sense and I'll feel bad

 

[Chief00]

Ray absolutely enjoyed a drink now and then. I bought him a few. He slowly sipped them. He was also much more outgoing after UConn and before he let life get too serious as an adult. He was pretty lively socially in the late 90’s, but never too crazy. Kids, health and business became his passion later. He wasn’t going to party all night with Pierce and KG in his 20’s let alone his 30’s.

I agree with this assessment.

 

[Chief00]

No one outside of Connecticut cares about about this...barely anyone inside of Connecticut cares about this.

Public relations and Ray Allen's feelings are about the last things they need to consider here.

If there is a reasonable settlement to be made, make it. If there's not, man the battle stations.

KO has become toxic and Ray hasn’t figured it out yet. He’s too close.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I suspect KO's lawyers will take the position that the NCAA is not a Court of Law, and UConn not only didn't put up a defense, but actually agreed to a bunch of meaningless penalties that aren't really penalties at all. UConn is using these non-penalties as justification for not paying Ollie $10 million. Ollie's biggest problem is weak termination language in his contract, but I do not think the NCAA ruling is dispositive of anything.

It’s pretty dispositive. They are indeed the final arbiter of their own rules. Courts have been consistent on that. KO agreed to comply with their rules. The NCAAs most important findings were related to KO lying to them. He’s toast and needs to move on. I agree a settlement has always been best and it’s sad that Ollie has been unwilling to accept reasonable settlement offers. At this point that number would be way down from what he was likely offered before.

 

[kemba]

You totally misinterpreted my post.

When you’re talking about who the UConn ambassador is, you’re not talking about what UConn fans think. Many basketball watchers look at him kinda sideways for leaving Boston for Miami to ride along with LeBron. That’s a very popular narrative.

Think you're confusing how some Celtics fans feel with general NBA fans

 

[Excalibur]

Nomar's right. Legally speaking, this is standard procedure and a giant nothing burger. If you're concerned about the PR look, Fishy's right -- nobody cares.

 

[bballgrda]

No one outside of Connecticut cares about about this...barely anyone inside of Connecticut cares about this.

Public relations and Ray Allen's feelings are about the last things they need to consider here.

If there is a reasonable settlement to be made, make it. If there's not, man the battle stations.

I wonder if more people have a thorough and accurate understanding of this situation, or how royally fkd UConn got in conference realignment.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Ugh, this isn't a good look no matter how you slice it.

FWIW, it is my understanding that Ollie's representation wanted expansive discovery in the arbitration and UConn objected. I believe there was a hearing on the matter and it was determined that broad discovery would be allowed. Once that was decided, the die was cast. It can't be one way only. It is reasonable to see if there were calls between Ray and KO or staff.

The article I read this morning said that UConn made a bunch of document production requests, including Allen's phone records, only 2 days before his deposition. That's what they objected to, and I read that UConn's lawyers really laid into Allen in his deposition testimony.

 

[IthacaMatt]

What must be it? Have you heard Ray Allen since he left Boston in 2012? That man will never shut up about how Boston did him dirty. 7 years on and he's still boo-boo faced about it. This KO thing is another story I don't want to hear, but will have to because I need to show Ray Allen respect...or something.

Ray Allen is a legend. It's sad to read something like this.

 

[CL82]

The article I read this morning said that UConn made a bunch of document production requests, including Allen's phone records, only 2 days before his deposition. That's what they objected to, and I read that UConn's lawyers really laid into Allen in his deposition testimony.

Yep. I read the same article, Matt. The two days before is odd, but I'll bet there is a backstory to it.

The notion that lawyers laid into Allen is subjective. If you are being deposed and are evasive or inconsistent, you are going to be questioned accordingly. If they actually "laid into him" i.e. were overly aggressive or inappropriate the deposition would have been stopped. I get the sense that this is more Ray being unhappy about the situation, his being a part of it and maybe a little because "I'm Ray Allen and this is what I want" doesn't carry a whole lot of weight in a deposition.

 

[BlueMAB]

The “pitchforks and torches” crowd is getting a vicarious thrill out of shouting from the rooftops that we’re not paying, no matter what! But this one s not a good look, at all. Which is why folks like me pushed for a sit down with Team Ollie after the penalties came down.
Find a nice middle ground settlement, declare victory and call it a day! Why? Because it’s the most prudent thing to do to avoid situations spiraling out of control.
People in the right settle all the time with those in the wrong. It’s not about being a hardass & sticking to your guns to prove a point. Settle this thing, move the on already. It’s a terrible look to be hassling with your alums, and just not worth it.

Both Ollie and UConn have to be willing to settle. Right now, it doesn't appear either are. If we can find a middle ground, we should. But I don't think Ollie is interested in that. Everything he's done appears to indicate he wants all or nothing.

 

[Chief00]

Yep. I read the same article, Matt. The two days before is odd, but I'll bet there is a backstory to it.

The notion that lawyers laid into Allen is subjective. If you are being deposed and are evasive or inconsistent, you are going to be questioned accordingly. If they actually "laid into him" i.e. were overly aggressive or inappropriate the deposition would have been stopped. I get the sense that this is more Ray being unhappy about the situation, his being a part of it and maybe a little because "I'm Ray Allen and this is what I want" doesn't carry a whole lot of weight in a deposition.

Agree, often star athletes don’t like venues where they are treated like everyone else. It’s not a criticism it’s that they are just not accustom to that kind of treatment so it catches them off guard or it seems unfair to them. When actually it’s fair treatment but they are used to special treatment.

 

[DefCONNOne]

The “pitchforks and torches” crowd is getting a vicarious thrill out of shouting from the rooftops that we’re not paying, no matter what! But this one s not a good look, at all. Which is why folks like me pushed for a sit down with Team Ollie after the penalties came down.
Find a nice middle ground settlement, declare victory and call it a day! Why? Because it’s the most prudent thing to do to avoid situations spiraling out of control.
People in the right settle all the time with those in the wrong. It’s not about being a hardass & sticking to your guns to prove a point. Settle this thing, move the on already. It’s a terrible look to be hassling with your alums, and just not worth it.

Sure isn't....for Kevin Ollie. KO should take the L and whatever pride he has left and let this go.

I've got a nice middle ground right here for you and KO...

$0 dollars! Now get to steppin', Fonzie!!

 

[DefCONNOne]

Wow, so now the Yard is turning on Ray Allen. SMH.

I turned on him in 2012 when he did Boston dirty and then cried like a 3 year old afterwards.

 

[Husky68]

Deposition:

I had the unfortunate experience of being subpoenaed to testify before a state taxing authority concerning a former employer. Was a most disagreeable event, the tax group had an "inquisitor", there was a "court reporter" and the former employer had legal counsel there (who according to them was helping me but really I was on my own as they didn't represent me).

It was recorded by the tax group and I also recorded it (which they initially objected to but I said no recording no talk, guess they didn't think it was worth going back to judge over). Inquisitor was arrogant, asked the same question multiple times and spent much time trying to get me to contradict the statements they didn't like (and this was about events 6 years prior).

When it was over the court reporter made a comment about my "bad attitude" during the deposition; my reply was "I could care less about your dispute with my former employer, didn't appreciate being treated like a liar/criminal and all you guys got paid to be part of this show - but not me".

Month later they sent me a 100 plus page written report made by the court reporter for me to "verify". I sent back a note saying essentially "I'm not going to be an unpaid editor for you, I have an audio recording of what was said, I noted at the beginning that my memory of 6 years prior was not that great and regardless of the legal presumption that if I do not object to what was written I have agreed to it, I don't agree to anything".

Never heard back, case probably went no where (my opinion was tax department had no facts on their side), maybe I was just lucky it went away.

Reason for above is that getting deposed by some guy with an attitude is not something to look forward to and can imagine if in my case they had wanted me to produce my phone records of the last 6 year "'cause they could ask for it" I'd be making a pretty big objection (assuming I paid someone to figure out how to do that).

If I'm Ray Allen, with Ray Allen type money, I'm going to make the University of Connecticut pay dearly for any further info from me. I don't care what KO opened up by his actions, this is UConn back at me.

 

[DefCONNOne]

Ray Allen is a legend. It's sad to read something like this.

Sad to read what? The truth? Because that's what I said. Every word.

 

[whaler11]

Yep agree 100% and I also never encountered a discovery request not deserving of an objection for being too broad, too burdensome, etc. There are not too many of us who would voluntarily agree to have strangers go through our cell phone history for texts, emails, etc., our right to privacy is an important constitutionally created privilege not to be easily surrendered.

Here is the thing...

Didnt Allen Facetime with the recruit according to the reports? There ain’t no phone or text record of Facetime or imessage to find.

 

[whaler11]

I turned on him in 2012 when he did Boston dirty and then cried like a 3 year old afterwards.

Really? Couldn’t tell.

Mad about NBA free agency. Good luck with that long term.

 

[huskymedic]

Here is the thing...

Didnt Allen Facetime with the recruit according to the reports? There ain’t no phone or text record of Facetime or imessage to find.

True but they are looking for other records/collaboration of the call being pre-arranged:

>>The calls took place at Ollie’s house during a team event using the iPad of Ollie’s special assistant Larib Omara-Otunnu. She, assistant coach Glenn Miller and the unnamed recruit all stated the calls were prearranged, and UConn wrote that Omara-Otunnu’s iPad was used “presumably to avoid the calls appearing in the records of his institutional iPhone...” which the compliance office could have noticed.<<

>>Among the records UConn sought to subpoena from Allen were records of all phone calls from Dec. 31, 2015 to July 30, 2018 between Allen and Ollie, Ollie’s former executive assistant, Larib Omara-Ottuno,...<<

 

[NC_Uconn_Fan]

I turned on him in 2012 when he did Boston dirty and then cried like a 3 year old afterwards.

It's okay, when you grow up you'll realize sports are just a business. When I was 8, I used to take it personal too.

 

[Madmannsucks]

It's okay, when you grow up you'll realize sports are just a business. When I was 8, I used to take it personal too.

I laughed so hard I almost hit report by mistake. In 1978 I hated Mike Torrez for going from NY to Boston....41 years later...not so much.

 

[3rdbass]

Thinks is true, but outside of UConn fans and teammates (i assume) there’s not a lot of love for Ray with past teammates or fans.

Garnett is a punk, but ray has on more than one occasion be called out as aloof and all about Ray. That is ok, but he’s not going to get the benefit off the doubt about character (edit - character isn't the right word here, but the proper word escapes me at the moment) issues.

Personally - he’s a great, great player, but one that never pulled me in like Caron, Rip, Taliek, Kemba, Emeka - kind of odd as I think about it now.

This is why you don’t bring in alumni as coaches - messy divorces with a lot of collateral damage. Worst thing JC ever did to the program - forcing the KO hire. Even JC isnt perfect.

I went to school when he did and met Ray a few times and he always acted like he was all about himself. Not a big fan of the man but happy he was a great player for us in both college and Pro's.

 

[mauconnfan]

I turned on him in 2012 when he did Boston dirty and then cried like a 3 year old afterwards.

You're impressive with that rod you have for Ray Allen can't wait to read your input on our basketball team.

I could care less who he is or was regarding the NBA I care about who he is and was as a Husky. A great promoter throughout his NBA career of JC and the Huskies and still is, minus this glitch with his buddy. As long as you know it was never an issue that KO got fired it was these new court issues which I would hope wouldn't deter him from being the Husky he is. Who gives a crap what he did to the Bucks, the Supersonics or the C's could care freaking less. NBA players are all different people when it becomes a business.

 

[Kolumbo]

 

[whaler11]

True but they are looking for other records/collaboration of the call being pre-arranged:

>>The calls took place at Ollie’s house during a team event using the iPad of Ollie’s special assistant Larib Omara-Otunnu. She, assistant coach Glenn Miller and the unnamed recruit all stated the calls were prearranged, and UConn wrote that Omara-Otunnu’s iPad was used “presumably to avoid the calls appearing in the records of his institutional iPhone...” which the compliance office could have noticed.<<

>>Among the records UConn sought to subpoena from Allen were records of all phone calls from Dec. 31, 2015 to July 30, 2018 between Allen and Ollie, Ollie’s former executive assistant, Larib Omara-Ottuno,...<<

SEC and ACC schools essentially use their coeds to ‘recruit’.

Lawyers getting paid to track down short Facetime convos... what a scam.

 

[August_West]

Gee. so messy who woulda thunk it.