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Didn't our two squads play pretty tough against each other last year? UConn is a National Title contender and we suck? Got it.

When you used to brag about your meaningless regular season victories over us, it was just annoying. But in a year where you don't have that to fall back on, "playing us tough" in two losing efforts also becomes a feather in the cap for PC?

That's like us bragging to Louisville fans that we had a 10 point lead against them at one point in the first half last year.
 
Didn't our two squads play pretty tough against each other last year? UConn is a National Title contender and we suck? Got it.


C'mon, man. If you're going to put yourself out there as a beacon of rational thought, you've got to at least concede that PC plays UConn like it's their national championship game. UConn plays PC as a "let's not lose to a lesser team with bigger fish to fry on the horizon." That's not a superiority complex, that's just reality.

UConn is a national program. I live on the west coast and people with no east coast connections out here have no idea what PC is, let alone that it purports to be a factor in college basketball. Ernie D. is 62 years old. Pitino's glory years on smith hill were 25 years ago. Since then, you're Holy Cross, with better recruits and crappier academics. This whole "look out for Cooley" nonsense sounds awfully familiar to the "look out for Keno-ball" you were spewing a couple years ago.
 
Did you watch Wolf play last year?


We have nobody in the frontcourt (other than Daniels), who can step up and give us a double-double and be reliable. Take away one of our better basket defenders and we're still thin down low. There are teams who will abuse us down low and we will get into foul trouble. With Wolf we have more depth and some valuable experience.
 
We have nobody in the frontcourt (other than Daniels), who can step up and give us a double-double and be reliable. Take away one of our better basket defenders and we're still thin down low. There are teams who will abuse us down low and we will get into foul trouble. With Wolf we have more depth and some valuable experience.

If Facey and Nolan don't give us more than Wolf gave us last year, we're not going to go to the second weekend (as many of us expect).

Wolf falls asleep a lot out there.
 
C'mon, man. If you're going to put yourself out there as a beacon of rational thought, you've got to at least concede that PC plays UConn like it's their national championship game. UConn plays PC as a "let's not lose to a lesser team with bigger fish to fry on the horizon." That's not a superiority complex, that's just reality.

UConn is a national program. I live on the west coast and people with no east coast connections out here have no idea what PC is, let alone that it purports to be a factor in college basketball. Ernie D. is 62 years old. Pitino's glory years on smith hill were 25 years ago. Since then, you're Holy Cross, with better recruits and crappier academics. This whole "look out for Cooley" nonsense sounds awfully familiar to the "look out for Keno-ball" you were spewing a couple years ago.

This may have been true during the Calhoun years, but I didn't get the sense that our kids last season laid anything less than everything they had on the line in every game, specifically on senior day, our final game of the season.

The talk of PC becoming a northeastern powerhouse seems far-fetched, but I see no reason they can't become the decent program they were in the 90's, especially if the NBE proves to be a long-term success. I have to give them some credit - they're fans are a feisty bunch who have displayed more of a passion for the game than a lot of big time programs despite their ineptitude in recent years. I'm glad that they appear to be on the brink of respectability again.
 
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When you used to brag about your meaningless regular season victories over us, it was just annoying. But in a year where you don't have that to fall back on, "playing us tough" in two losing efforts also becomes a feather in the cap for PC?

That's like us bragging to Louisville fans that we had a 10 point lead against them at one point in the first half last year.



Let me spell it out for you Einstein. The teams are very close in skill level, yet you guys are going challenge for the National Championship, while we are going to struggle again according to this board, so either some here are over rating the Huskies or underrating PC. Comprender?
 
C'mon, man. If you're going to put yourself out there as a beacon of rational thought, you've got to at least concede that PC plays UConn like it's their national championship game. UConn plays PC as a "let's not lose to a lesser team with bigger fish to fry on the horizon." That's not a superiority complex, that's just reality.

UConn is a national program. I live on the west coast and people with no east coast connections out here have no idea what PC is, let alone that it purports to be a factor in college basketball. Ernie D. is 62 years old. Pitino's glory years on smith hill were 25 years ago. Since then, you're Holy Cross, with better recruits and crappier academics. This whole "look out for Cooley" nonsense sounds awfully familiar to the "look out for Keno-ball" you were spewing a couple years ago.



Okay, thanks for your opinion. Yes, UConn has won National Championships when PC has beaten them. So, explain to me how these two teams this year are so different. Or just continue to belittle and put down like any other internet bully.
 
Okay, thanks for your opinion. Yes, UConn has won National Championships when PC has beaten them. So, explain to me how these two teams this year are so different. Or just continue to belittle and put down like any other internet bully.

Three National Championships to Zero championships.

The best team for the last twenty plus years is UConn hands down. That is a fact Jack.
 
Okay, thanks for your opinion. Yes, UConn has won National Championships when PC has beaten them. So, explain to me how these two teams this year are so different. Or just continue to belittle and put down like any other internet bully.

I don't want to get into a pissing match here, but let me answer your question on how are the two programs are different: While they may be somewhat similar this year, you are excited to have a team that might actually dance this year and we expect to have a team that dances every year. We are thinking a final four is not out of reach and a sweet 16 is almost expected. You would be happy to just make the tourny and have really no expectation of a final four and a sweet 16 would be huge.

We were where you are once and we climbed the mountain. You haven't and the odds are that you won't. If you do, great, but please don't get all excited about one year where you might finally dance and hope to pull in some top recruits where you are not the really even the leader but more an afterthought. Again, if you get them great - you're stepping up, but until it happens, it's best to keep thoughts of greatness in check.
 
We have nobody in the frontcourt (other than Daniels), who can step up and give us a double-double and be reliable. Take away one of our better basket defenders and we're still thin down low. There are teams who will abuse us down low and we will get into foul trouble. With Wolf we have more depth and some valuable experience.

But UCONN guard's more than make up for it. Yes Daniels is the most experienced and best front court player but to discount the rest of the front line this time of year is short sighted to say the least.
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match here, but let me answer your question on how are the two programs are different: While they may be somewhat similar this year, you are excited to have a team that might actually dance this year and we expect to have a team that dances every year. We are thinking a final four is not out of reach and a sweet 16 is almost expected. You would be happy to just make the tourny and have really no expectation of a final four and a sweet 16 would be huge.

We were where you are once and we climbed the mountain. You haven't and the odds are that you won't. If you do, great, but please don't get all excited about one year where you might finally dance and hope to pull in some top recruits where you are not the really even the leader but more an afterthought. Again, if you get them great - you're stepping up, but until it happens, it's best to keep thoughts of greatness in check.


You are talking about fans expectations, I'm talking about these two teams this coming year. That's what I am trying to figure out. Also asking any UConn fan to compare these teams is not thoughts of greatness. Good Grief.

UConnBill, I'm happy for you and your 3 National Championships, I'm sure you have the trophy's proudly displayed, but you totally missed my question or maybe you are just inebriated.
 
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But UCONN guard's more than make up for it. Yes Daniels is the most experienced and best front court player but to discount the rest of the front line this time of year is short sighted to say the least.


Against decent teams, yes. Once we meet a team with a dominating frontcourt, our frontcourt would be chopped into mincemeat.
 
You are talking about fans expectations, I'm talking about these two teams this coming year. That's what I am trying to figure out. Also asking any UConn fan to compare these teams is not thoughts of greatness. Good Grief.

UConnBill, I'm happy for you and your 3 National Championships, I'm sure you have the trophy's proudly displayed, but you totally missed my question or maybe you are just inebriated.

I think I kind of addressed it in my post. A sweet 16 would be a huge accomplishment for PC. A final 4 would be an accomplishment for UConn next year but not exactly something nobody saw coming. For the record, I am not anti PC. I would love for a real New England rival develop for UConn. We really don't have a natural rival at our level. I'm just saying the difference - and not just from a fan perspective - is that UConn can expect to get to a sweet 16 and anything better than getting in the field is an accomplishment for PC. Nobody is saying PC is a potential final four team. Many think UConn might get there. That's the difference.
 
Against decent teams, yes. Once we meet a team with a dominating frontcourt, our frontcourt would be chopped into mincemeat.

You discount the backcourt which should be one of the top one's in the country
 
You are talking about fans expectations, I'm talking about these two teams this coming year. That's what I am trying to figure out. Also asking any UConn fan to compare these teams is not thoughts of greatness. Good Grief.

UConnBill, I'm happy for you and your 3 National Championships, I'm sure you have the trophy's proudly displayed, but you totally missed my question or maybe you are just inebriated.

They are more similar than most here would like to admit, however, UConn was a shoe-in for the tournament last year postseason ban not withstanding, while PC was a middling NIT team that failed to beat a two-legged Husky team on the final game of the season. You then caused the eyes of every spectator in attendence to bleed with your abysmal performance against Cincy in the BET, and had an unmemorable run in the NIT. UConn also beat Syracuse and Michigan State, two signature wins that PC failed to register. In addition, PC loses one of their most important players in Vincent Council, while UConn returns their entire team aside from RJ Evans, who frequently played less than ten minutes a game. UConn also beat you on your homecourt despite as lopsided a rebounding battle as you'll ever see, something that figures not to repeat itself now that UConn has added some needed help inside.

I think even most PC fans would admit UConn has the best player of the two rosters in Shabazz Napier, a first team All-Big East selection and potential pre-season All-American. Bryce Cotton is certainly no slouch, but I think most would agree Napier is the more complete player. Boatright is an additional proven commodity in the backcourt, and Calhoun and Dunn appear to be on similar paths to stardom. There is substancial evidence to support the idea that Deandre Daniels is an emerging star - he posted something like a 20/10 in his final four games of the season last year, and top ten recruits who stick around until their junior year generally tend to perform pretty well, especially when they're a UConn wing. PC certainly has far fewer question marks in the frontcourt than UConn, but Henton (40% from the field, 25% from three) and Batts (0.6 b/pg) are certainly flawed in certain areas. Does PC have enough shotblocking prowess to defend at a high level consistency? If Dunn's development stalls, do they have enough weaponry offensively? Granted, UConn has similar questions they need to answer, but I think they have a higher ceiling, particularly on the offensive end. Their players also appear more fearless in the face of stiff competition - G'Town, Marquette, Cuse, MSU, New Mexico, Notre Dame, and Cincy all played UConn down to the wire, while PC mostly wet the bed when presented with an opportunity to record a marquee win. PC will surely be interesting to watch this year, though, and I begrudingly wish you luck (your fanbase is annoying, but I respect you guys for sticking with your team through the bad years).
 
I'm going to enjoy seeing Chukwu and Abu wearing B&W if it happens even more than Dunn and Austin.

Congrats on Dunn and Austin........kinda like our guys Purvis, Facey and Hamilton a little better.........and good luck with Abu and Chukwu you never know!! But we'll be fine no matter and the Huskies will be in the NCAA tourney not sitting home or just maybe, with a huge season in the NIT like the Friars!! I like Cooley and he's a good guy I'm sure, but let's not underestimate the team he had left year from the "scrap" he was left and the rebuilding you say, it was pretty good and went nowhere. He still has a lot to prove I'm afraid!
 
Okay, thanks for your opinion. Yes, UConn has won National Championships when PC has beaten them. So, explain to me how these two teams this year are so different. Or just continue to belittle and put down like any other internet bully.

Because for the whole year UConn was simply a better team, beat teams PC couldn't dream of beating and would've gone to the dance. When you guys stop looking at head-to-head you will get it........it's the Super Bowl for your team in New England, many of them shunned by Husky recruiters yet very good players. As said above, natural instinct of players and it proves out all the time. PC playes UConn tough..........but they're not nearly as good!!! Check to post season numbers and then we can actually stop this thread!
 
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I am not so sure the talent levels are necessarily that close as you seem to think. UConn appears to have more certain to likely NBA players, no? And why do you think the performances were that close last year. Sure the head-to-head games were close but UConn had a much better record against a more difficult schedule. It seems pretty straightforward to be honest.
 
Because for the whole year UConn was simply a better team, beat teams PC couldn't dream of beating and would've gone to the dance. When you guys stop looking at head-to-head you will get it........it's the Super Bowl for your team in New England, many of them shunned by Husky recruiters yet very good players. As said above, natural instinct of players and it proves out all the time. PC playes UConn tough..........but they're not nearly as good!!! Check to post season numbers and then we can actually stop this thread!

Even head-to-head, UConn beat them with 3-4 starters out. Frankly, it's hard to understand why PC gave up like that against an undermanned team with Wolf, Giffey, Calhoun benched and a gimpy Shabazz out there.
 
You are talking about fans expectations, I'm talking about these two teams this coming year. That's what I am trying to figure out. Also asking any UConn fan to compare these teams is not thoughts of greatness. Good Grief.

UConnBill, I'm happy for you and your 3 National Championships, I'm sure you have the trophy's proudly displayed, but you totally missed my question or maybe you are just inebriated.

UConn has a group of seniors that have national championship experience. All things being equal that is a big advantage. Talent and skill wise they may be comparable. But UConn has A LOT more experience playing on national TV and winning big tournaments.
 
I think I kind of addressed it in my post. A sweet 16 would be a huge accomplishment for PC. A final 4 would be an accomplishment for UConn next year but not exactly something nobody saw coming. For the record, I am not anti PC. I would love for a real New England rival develop for UConn. We really don't have a natural rival at our level. I'm just saying the difference - and not just from a fan perspective - is that UConn can expect to get to a sweet 16 and anything better than getting in the field is an accomplishment for PC. Nobody is saying PC is a potential final four team. Many think UConn might get there. That's the difference.


I'm sorry I might not have been clear. The teams were pretty evenly matched last year, will they be again this year? Maybe it is all about expectations, because I'm certainly not getting an answer regarding actual play.
 
They are more similar than most here would like to admit, however, UConn was a shoe-in for the tournament last year postseason ban not withstanding, while PC was a middling NIT team that failed to beat a two-legged Husky team on the final game of the season. You then caused the eyes of every spectator in attendence to bleed with your abysmal performance against Cincy in the BET, and had an unmemorable run in the NIT. UConn also beat Syracuse and Michigan State, two signature wins that PC failed to register. In addition, PC loses one of their most important players in Vincent Council, while UConn returns their entire team aside from RJ Evans, who frequently played less than ten minutes a game. UConn also beat you on your homecourt despite as lopsided a rebounding battle as you'll ever see, something that figures not to repeat itself now that UConn has added some needed help inside.

I think even most PC fans would admit UConn has the best player of the two rosters in Shabazz Napier, a first team All-Big East selection and potential pre-season All-American. Bryce Cotton is certainly no slouch, but I think most would agree Napier is the more complete player. Boatright is an additional proven commodity in the backcourt, and Calhoun and Dunn appear to be on similar paths to stardom. There is substancial evidence to support the idea that Deandre Daniels is an emerging star - he posted something like a 20/10 in his final four games of the season last year, and top ten recruits who stick around until their junior year generally tend to perform pretty well, especially when they're a UConn wing. PC certainly has far fewer question marks in the frontcourt than UConn, but Henton (40% from the field, 25% from three) and Batts (0.6 b/pg) are certainly flawed in certain areas. Does PC have enough shotblocking prowess to defend at a high level consistency? If Dunn's development stalls, do they have enough weaponry offensively? Granted, UConn has similar questions they need to answer, but I think they have a higher ceiling, particularly on the offensive end. Their players also appear more fearless in the face of stiff competition - G'Town, Marquette, Cuse, MSU, New Mexico, Notre Dame, and Cincy all played UConn down to the wire, while PC mostly wet the bed when presented with an opportunity to record a marquee win. PC will surely be interesting to watch this year, though, and I begrudingly wish you luck (your fanbase is annoying, but I respect you guys for sticking with your team through the bad years).



Excellent, that's what I'm looking for. I do agree that Napier is the best all around player on either team and that UConn has more experience in big games as someone mentioned in another post.

I do have 2 comments in regards to PC. Council was a terrible defender and he could not get the Keno out of him in late in games where he felt he had to take over all the time. I'm looking for big time improvement from Dunn this year and we should have a decent backcourt. While we do return Batts and Henton upfront we also add 7' Carson Derosiers and 6'10" Tyler Harris. Not sure what to expect out of these kids but Harris has supposedly put on a few lbs. and will be a large contributor this year. If UConn is a final four team (could be) then PC is certainly a tourney team in my eyes.
 
I'm sorry I might not have been clear. The teams were pretty evenly matched last year, will they be again this year? Maybe it is all about expectations, because I'm certainly not getting an answer regarding actual play.

Alright J you here's your answer and it's our FINAL answer........grasp this one okay?

You beat NJIT by 1 last year, do you feel they are s good as you guys? You were beaten by Brown by 1 last year, do you feel they are as good as you guys? Now you're getting the idea of what it's like for UConn to play PC J..........oh yeah is 20-10 vs a difficult schedule a lot better than 19-15 with a mediocre at best schedule??

C'mon we know you're not that stupid!!:eek:
 
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I'm sorry I might not have been clear. The teams were pretty evenly matched last year, will they be again this year? Maybe it is all about expectations, because I'm certainly not getting an answer regarding actual play.

I know you're going to respond with the injury excuse before you even finish reading this, but you cannot call last year "pretty even" when you consider that Uconn would have made the NCAA tournament by a comfortable margin and PC was a 4 seed in the NIT.

The fact that the two head-to-head matchups were close doesn't mean anything - it's 2 games out of 30. By your logic, I wonder what you think of South Florida, who took us to overtime at Gampel and ran us off the court at their place. USF played us a lot more "evenly" than PC did. But the point is, as usual, PC fans put way too much stock in the head-to-head matchup....even somehow in a year when PC manages to lose both games.

And stop acting as if this site is the only place around that feels this way about our respective teams' prospects. If certain threads are any indication, both fanbases feel that their teams are being slighted in some preseason polls. The difference is Uconn fans feel slighted when Uconn's picked outside of the top 20. PC fans feel slighted that zags picked you to finish 8th in the Big East.
 
I'm sorry I might not have been clear. The teams were pretty evenly matched last year, will they be again this year? Maybe it is all about expectations, because I'm certainly not getting an answer regarding actual play.

Friar J, I think you guys will be good this year and will probably make the NCAA tournament, but playing close games does not make 2 teams evenly matched. We won playing terribly while getting out rebounded by 30, and we won with half our team injured.
 
The bottom line is Paschal would better himself more if he came to UConn. They have more to offer than PC. The kid isn't stupid and he understands this.
 
You guys can't have it both ways. Either injuries count or they don't. Shabazz was as gimpy as Cotton was. The only guy that was injured that would have been a factor in the Gampel game was Calhoun. The front court guys are pretty interchangeable; and I would argue the depletions actually helped DD realize that he needed to be more assertive.

As far as programs go; there is no comparison. What I contend, and you guys never concede is that EC has PC playing a lot closer to where UCONN currently is than you care to admit. It's why guys like Dunn, Ledo and Austin chose PC over UConn. It's why the big fella may.
The landscape has changed. UCONN is still a top program; but the guy who won 3 NCs ain't walking through that door. Will Ollie succeed; my money would bet that he does. Buy does that mean NCs? It's tough to do. Time will tell.
 
What I contend, and you guys never concede is that EC has PC playing a lot closer to where UCONN currently is than you care to admit.

Based on what exactly? Don't give me Brandon Austin signing a letter of intent. What tangible, on-the-court evidence is there for you to make this claim? "Where Uconn currently is" is a clear NCAA tournament team last year with everyone of note back, and is being picked anywhere from 12-25th nationally in the preseason polls.

Ed Cooley is going to have to make one, just one, NCAA tournament before you can make statements like that. Until that happens, you're just waiting for "next year" as usual.
 
Okay, you guys win. Yes UConn was the better team last year (I certainly agree). I think they were close and if they played 10 games all would have been very close.

In regards to the injury excuse, I'm not sure what you mean? I have not brought up injuries one time in this thread. That was only brought up by UConn fans for making excuses why the games were close.
 
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