OT: Mayweather vs Pacquiao

[Sportsman5]

Awful fight. All may weather does is throw weak jabs and occasiaonaly a right and then clinch and run away. He's like a baseball pitcher that throws an 85 mile per hour fast ball and has just a good enough breaking ball and control to consistently get guys to pop up and ground out without getting strikeouts. I hate it when fighters stay at tiny weight classes and are afraid to move to heavier ones because they don't want to face bigger and stronger fighters. If u want to be one of the best ever u must prove you can beat other people with the same frame and reach or longer. Mayweather should be fighting at 175 or more and not this 147 crap. My frame is barely bigger than his and I'm 210, not using peds and more than 10 years younger. He's afraid of losing instead of wanting to prove he's a true all time great by moving way up in weight class

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[UConn990411]

Awful fight. All may weather does is throw weak jabs and occasiaonaly a right and then clinch and run away. He's like a baseball pitcher that throws an 85 mile per hour fast ball and has just a good enough breaking ball and control to consistently get guys to pop up and ground out without getting strikeouts. I hate it when fighters stay at tiny weight classes and are afraid to move to heavier ones because they don't want to face bigger and stronger fighters. If u want to be one of the best ever u must prove you can beat other people with the same frame and reach or longer. Mayweather should be fighting at 175 or more and not this 147 crap. My frame is barely bigger than his and I'm 210, not using peds and more than 10 years younger. He's afraid of losing instead of wanting to prove he's a true all time great by moving way up in weight class

This post could not be more misinformed.

 

[methodology]

Mma is street fighting. I watch it but give me boxing any day over mma.

Boxing is much more of a chess match where technique and skill usually win out. You only have a limited area to strike so that's where getting the right angles, footwork, balance, combinations, defense all work in cohesion.

Mma is more wide open that's why there more action. And ground game is boring to me. I understand all the different holds and submissions and reversing holds etc but it's just too easy to initiate and have action because you can attack from head to toe by using just about any body part you want. And then ground and pound against a defenseless being is about as barbaric and non skillful as it gets

 

[noeynox]

This post could not be more misinformed.

Anyone who thinks Mayweather should be fighting at 175lbs probably saw their 1st fight last night. Mayweather would be physically outmatched against most 160 pounders. I believe Mayweather turned pro at 130 lbs if not 135.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

My frame is barely bigger than his and I'm 210, not using peds and more than 10 years younger.

Mix in a salad maybe.

 

[JSM1970]

It's not overtaking anything. It's flat out idiotic. Go to any Slider's on a Sat. night with a big MMA fight, the crowd is scary, a weird subculture. If my son ever buys a Tapout shirt I'll throw it out in 2 minutes.

MMA is overtaking boxing bc it's more accessible to everyone on tv and the events ...boxing needs someone like tyson again for people to watch it a lot more as well as it being more accessible to everyone

 

[huskiesnyc]

To each their own but in my opinion boxing blows away the MMA UFC crap. Boxing is all about skill, attrition, and real pro athletes, whereas I view MMA as two meatheads in a bar fight.

 

[Robertelamin]

It's not overtaking anything. It's flat out idiotic. Go to any Slider's on a Sat. night with a big MMA fight, the crowd is scary, a weird subculture. If my son ever buys a Tapout shirt I'll throw it out in 2 minutes.

Speaking of Sliders, I'm pretty sure it didn't even open last night, at least the one in West Hartford.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

To each their own but in my opinion boxing blows away the MMA UFC crap. Boxing is all about skill, attrition, and real pro athletes, whereas I view MMA as two meatheads in a bar fight.

I agree, to each their own, and I enjoy both, but your take on the difference is just anecdotal nonsense for the most part.

 

[Sportsman5]

This post could not be more misinformed.

How am I misinformed? Great athletes challenge themselves and do what is necessary to prove they are the best. There's many reasons why people believe mike Tyson is the best fighter of all time, but one of them is that he fought guys who were taller, had a longer reach, and weighed more than him. Often times guys greatly exceeded him in all 3 categories. He was only about 2-3 inches taller than mayweather and had the same reach, but fought in the top weight class. Maweather intentionally keeps tiny so he doesn't have to face larger fighters who have equal or greater frames. That's not debatable. If he wants to try to be the greatest fighter in the world then he has to challenge himself. You can disagree, but I am making a very valid point

 

[Sportsman5]

It's not overtaking anything. It's flat out idiotic. Go to any Slider's on a Sat. night with a big MMA fight, the crowd is scary, a weird subculture. If my son ever buys a Tapout shirt I'll throw it out in 2 minutes.

Up to 30% of Brazil will watch an mma fight and its huge in the USA, China and mexico. Mma is mainstream and huge in the markets it needs to be huge in. It also destroys boxing in the demographic battle. I will watch a good boxing or mma match, but there are a lot more good mma matchups than boxing right now.

 

[Sportsman5]

Anyone who thinks Mayweather should be fighting at 175lbs probably saw their 1st fight last night. Mayweather would be physically outmatched against most 160 pounders. I believe Mayweather turned pro at 130 lbs if not 135.

That's the entire point! As I said in my previous post a great fighter will challenge themselves against equal or greater fighters and not stay in the tiny weight divisions by starving themselves and cutting a bunch of water weight. It's fine to start at the small weight divisions, but eventually you need to move up if you have the frame for it. If he was 5'4 with a 5'7 reach, then it would be a completely different story.

 

[huskiesnyc]

That's the entire point! As I said in my previous post a great fighter will challenge themselves against equal or greater fighters and not stay in the tiny weight divisions by starving themselves and cutting a bunch of water weight. It's fine to start at the small weight divisions, but eventually you need to move up if you have the frame for it. If he was 5'4 with a 5'7 reach, then it would be a completely different story.

Floyd is only 5'8 why would he move up? Hearns, Hagler, De La Hoya, Sugar Ray were all much taller and fought in the same weight division.

 

[Phillyconn]

Mayweather never impresses he just wins. I don't think we truly appreciate just how great he is defensively. He turned Manny who is normally a buzz saw into a pedestrian, gun shy, confused, ordinary fighter.

Floyd is a jerk, and his DV history is well documented, but in the ring he is an amazing defensive fighter that figure out any fighters timing after a few rounds. An all time great.

If he was just a defensive fighter, he would get knocked out. You have to be able to keep fighters at bay and he does it better than anybody. 48% on power punches. Very impressive.

 

[Phillyconn]

Up to 30% of Brazil will watch an mma fight and its huge in the USA, China and mexico. Mma is mainstream and huge in the markets it needs to be huge in. It also destroys boxing in the demographic battle. I will watch a good boxing or mma match, but there are a lot more good mma matchups than boxing right now.

Brazil, really?

How am I misinformed? Great athletes challenge themselves and do what is necessary to prove they are the best. There's many reasons why people believe mike Tyson is the best fighter of all time, but one of them is that he fought guys who were taller, had a longer reach, and weighed more than him. Often times guys greatly exceeded him in all 3 categories. He was only about 2-3 inches taller than mayweather and had the same reach, but fought in the top weight class. Maweather intentionally keeps tiny so he doesn't have to face larger fighters who have equal or greater frames. That's not debatable. If he wants to try to be the greatest fighter in the world then he has to challenge himself. You can disagree, but I am making a very valid point

Tyson has a much wider frame than Floyd. Tyson is a natural heavyweight. Give me a break will ya. Everybody is trying to discredit Floyd in one way or another. What a ridiculous way to behave! I've never seen a fight attacked like this. What is it? Are you mad because he beat Pac? Because he speaks his mind? What is it? Give credit where credit is due, stop hating on the man. Totally embarrasing.

 

[noeynox]

If he was just a defensive fighter, he would get knocked out. You have to be able to keep fighters at bay and he does it better than anybody. 48% on power punches. Very impressive.

He is truly gifted with hand and foot speed but he seldom takes chances in there, and why should he. His way of doing things has gotten him to 49-0.

Roy Jones before he hung around too long had similar superior hand and foot speed but he would try to finish guys who didn't belong in there with him. In terms of pure physical gifts those two guys stand head and shoulders above this most recent generation of fighters.

 

[Phillyconn]

Who watches MMA? Unless you wear Affliction t-shirts and have 10+ tats who watches those?

Boxing won't come back until the heavyweight division ever gets interesting again.

He is truly gifted with hand and foot speed but he seldom takes chances in there, and why should he. His way of doing things has gotten him to 49-0.

Roy Jones before he hung around too long had similar superior hand and foot speed but he would try to finish guys who didn't belong in there with him. In terms of pure physical gifts those two guys stand head and shoulders above this most recent generation of fighters.

Roy Jones fought bums. Not a lot of great fighters when he fought. I like Roy Jones but he got put to sleep.

 

[Sportsman5]

Floyd is only 5'8 why would he move up? Hearns, Hagler, De La Hoya, Sugar Ray were all much taller and fought in the same weight division.

He would move up to try to be regarded as the best boxer ever

 

[Sportsman5]

Brazil, really?

Tyson has a much wider frame than Floyd. Tyson is a natural heavyweight. Give me a break will ya. Everybody is trying to discredit Floyd in one way or another. What a ridiculous way to behave! I've never seen a fight attacked like this. What is it? Are you mad because he beat Pac? Because he speaks his mind? What is it? Give credit where credit is due, stop hating on the man. Totally embarrasing.

Yes Brazil. Big population and a middle class that has rapidly expanded. England, Canada, Japan, the Nordic countries, australia and may other European countries are huge into mama in addition. To the ones I listed. And it destroys boxing in the 18-35 year old male demographic, which is by far and away the most important to combat sports advertisers.

 

[noeynox]

He would move up to try to be regarded as the best boxer ever

Dude he did move up. I believe he fought Chico Corrales at 130 lbs. You really think a guy who started his career at 130 lbs should be fighting the likes of Adonis Stevenson and Sergei Kovalev?

 

[Sportsman5]

Dude he did move up. I believe he fought Chico Corrales at 130 lbs. You really think a guy who started his career at 130 lbs should be fighting the likes of Adonis Stevenson and Sergei Kovalev?

He can do whatever he wants. He has chose to chase money over other things. I don't knock him for that. It suprises me that someone who is as outwardly cocky as him wouldnt want to challenge himself. He fights at small weight classes and plays a defensive game. Other fighters push their bodies to their limits and go for undisputed wins. I'm my opinion that is the only way to achieve the highest level of greatness.

 

[JSM1970]

To each there own like someone said, the MMA has their subculture where you have to wear Affliction or Ex Hardy t-shirts, have multiple tats, like death metal and drive either a souped-up Civic, Corrolla or Scion. Other than Monster beverage or Red Bull who would advertise to this group? Chipotle? steve-0?

Yes Brazil. Big population and a middle class that has rapidly expanded. England, Canada, Japan, the Nordic countries, australia and may other European countries are huge into mama in addition. To the ones I listed. And it destroys boxing in the 18-35 year old male demographic, which is by far and away the most important to combat sports advertisers.

 

[noeynox]

Roy Jones fought bums. Not a lot of great fighters when he fought. I like Roy Jones but he got put to sleep.

Roy got put to sleep after he moved up to heavyweight and tried to come back down. In his prime he whooped guys like Bernard Hopkins and James Toney and destroyed Montel Griffin in under a round in a rematch.

 

[Phillyconn]

Yes Brazil. Big population and a middle class that has rapidly expanded. England, Canada, Japan, the Nordic countries, australia and may other European countries are huge into mama in addition. To the ones I listed. And it destroys boxing in the 18-35 year old male demographic, which is by far and away the most important to combat sports advertisers.

I can't get into it for any extended period of time. I might have one or two friends that watch MMA out of 20-30, and both are weirdos.