OT: Mayweather vs Pacquiao

[formerlurker]

The next guy to fight Mayweather should bring a bat in the ring - fairly clear that no one can get anywhere trying to hit him with their fists.

No need for a rematch there.

My crew said the same thing, Fishy. No need for a second fight.

Again, best part of the fight was Jimmy Kimmel walking Manny to the ring dressed exactly like Justin Bieber when he walked to the ring at Floyd's last fight.

https://fansided.com/2015/05/03/jimmy-kimmel-manny-pacquiao-justin-bieber-video/

 

[Phillyconn]

I think floyd is a terrific fighter and maybe the best of this generation (we`ll find out saturday) but in the grand scheme of all time greats hes is ridiculously overrated! All i need to know about Floyds "greatness" is a split decision against a completely shot Oscar de la Hoya when Floyd was at his absolute peak. When you are truly great you obliterate washed up fighters not lose on one of the judges scorecards and have it close with the other two. Prime ODH beats prime Floyd. No doubt about it.

That's not his style to obliterate his opponents. De La Hoya was not washed up when he fought Floyd. Oscar looked totally drained from having to make weight against Pac. Look what he did to Pacquiao, then tell me he's overrated. I personally think he doesn't get enough credit for his boxing skills. I think you have to include Floyd in the conversation about greatest of all time.

 

[formerlurker]

 

[Phillyconn]

I think we may have seen the death knell of boxing tonight. The most hyped fight of the decade, in a sport that has rapidly been losing market share to MMA, and it flopped. Boxing needed a homerun and got foul tip in to the catchers glove for the out.

I totally enjoyed every round. You have to love the way Floyd boxes. Truly Great.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I totally enjoyed every round. You have to love the way Floyd boxes. Truly Great.

Unfortunately , that seems to only be the opinion of about .05% of the population. I'm guessing those are diehard boxing fans with a deep enough understanding of the sport to appreciate what we saw tonight. Hard to imagine what it's going to take for a boxing match to capture the publics interest again in the near future. Clearly a rematch isn't going to do it. Can you think of one that would be of absolutely any interest to the casual fan?

 

[TheChamps990411]

That's not his style to obliterate his opponents. De La Hoya was not washed up when he fought Floyd. Oscar looked totally drained from having to make weight against Pac. Look what he did to Pacquiao, then tell me he's overrated. I personally think he doesn't get enough credit for his boxing skills. I think you have to include Floyd in the conversation about greatest of all time.

Oscar wasnt washed up? Seriously? he had fought once in the previous 2 years,had drug and alchohol issues and btw retired two fights after the Floyd fight come on now! Floyd has boxing skills. What he did to pac? You mean Manny comes forward floyd runs away. Manny cuts off the ring lands solid shots floyd holds. Rinse repeat. Floyd landed 81 power punches to mannys 63. Not much of a difference. Btw manny landed the best shots of the fight. Floyd won manny lost its over as far as im concerned.

 

[formerlurker]

I think we may have seen the death knell of boxing tonight. The most hyped fight of the decade, in a sport that has rapidly been losing market share to MMA, and it flopped. Boxing needed a homerun and got foul tip in to the catchers glove for the out.

Best recap of the "fight" I've read so far, CA.

Until I got to the end. That was no foul tip. That was a strikeout looking, in the World Series with the bags juiced and two outs. Chance to shock the world and you sh#t the bed. For boxing to survive, the sport needs the heavyweight class to produce absolute beasts on a consistent basis. These little guys dancing around isn't going to cut it.

Then again, I'm part of the problem. I paid to watch and that's what they wanted.

Your mention of MMA is spot on. The majority of those fights are on free TV and never disappoint.

I can't remember the last boxing match that ended with neither fighter bleeding, cut or lumped up. That happened tonight and boxing died a bit inside.

 

[Fishy]

The night that boxing generates about half a billion dollars of business is not the night to proclaim its demise unless you're bad at math.

 

[TheChamps990411]

I totally enjoyed every round. You have to love the way Floyd boxes. Truly Great.

Thats running with intermittent boxing from time to time. You want to see boxing? Go watch guys like Rigondeaux and Roman Gonzalez. Guys who dont need to run to avoid being hit.

 

[CAHUSKY]

The night that boxing generates about half a billion dollars of business is not the night to proclaim its demise unless you're bad at math.

The problem is the fight stunk and there is absolutely no other fight, or fighter, that anyone cares about on the horizon. It's not like the 80's when the winner of this fight had to decide whether to fight Leonard, , Hagler, Hearns or Breeland and we we're excited to hear the decison. What does Mayweather do next? You going to fork out $99 to watch the rematch? Can you name one fight in any weight class that the general public will pay $10 for? The fact that Manny and Mayweather were able to draw this out for 7 years and were able to convince tons of people to come along for the ride in hopes of seeing a good fight doesn't prove boxing is on stable footing. It says to me that even the one fight everyone wanted to see no longer has drawing power after that turkey. I guess it's possible there will be resurgence but it's clearly going to be quite some time.

 

[formerlurker]

The night that boxing generates about half a billion dollars of business is not the night to proclaim its demise unless you're bad at math.

Not sure if you're referencing my post or not. If so, you might have missed this part:

"Then again, I'm part of the problem. I paid to watch and that's what they wanted."

 

[CAHUSKY]

"Then again, I'm part of the problem. I paid to watch and that's what they wanted."

But would you pay for the rematch? How about any other fight in any weight class? That's the problem. The answer is clearly no for the vast majority of the American public.

 

[Fishy]

There will always be new fighters and new fights.

And guess what - Mayweather's next fight will sell. Manny's next fight will sell...

 

[Fishy]

Not sure if you're referencing my post or not. If so, you might have missed this part:

"Then again, I'm part of the problem. I paid to watch and that's what they wanted."

Nah, not you.

The nitwit who thinks this won't happen again for boxing.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Nah, not you.

The nitwit who thinks this won't happen again for boxing.

It may, but it will be quite a while. I don't dispute I'm a nitwit but I'm sill waiting to hear which fight has any chance of attracting the casual American fan. Hardcore boxing fans aren't a large enough demographic to support big paydays anymore.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Teddy Atlas on ESPN responding to all the social media complaints/disappointments; People have to understand what they're paying for, you don't go buying Rolling Stone concert tickets thinking its another time, Jagger and the Stones are old for chrissakes! A lot of references to the money.
A reporter at the post fight press conference asked Mayweather why presumably stop at 49-0 in September when you can surpass Marciano? He can always dangle a historical bout to gain further interest if he chose.

 

[Kitaman]

I just watched the fight and all I know is that Mayweather looks like he could go another 6 rounds. Meaning that he will be able to spend his money in the morning with little physical consequences.

We may want blood, guts, knockdowns and all that, but Mayweather very smartly made over a hundred million dollars without injury, pain or swelling. To me he says yall I'm going to make my money, not get hurt, win and go home my way. I'd say he won more ways than one.

How can anyone be upset at him?

 

[dogpause]

The problem is the fight stunk and there is absolutely no other fight, or fighter, that anyone cares about on the horizon. It's not like the 80's when the winner of this fight had to decide whether to fight Leonard, , Hagler, Hearns or Breeland and we we're excited to hear the decison. What does Mayweather do next? You going to fork out $99 to watch the rematch? Can you name one fight in any weight class that the general public will pay $10 for? The fact that Manny and Mayweather were able to draw this out for 7 years and were able to convince tons of people to come along for the ride in hopes of seeing a good fight doesn't prove boxing is on stable footing. It says to me that even the one fight everyone wanted to see no longer has drawing power after that turkey. I guess it's possible there will be resurgence but it's clearly going to be quite some time.

I blame the WBA and WBC, this bout should have happened 5 years ago. As long as you have no real leadership, the sport will suffer.

 

[nomar]

I just watched the fight and all I know is that Mayweather looks like he could go another 6 rounds. Meaning that he will be able to spend his money in the morning with little physical consequences.

We may want blood, guts, knockdowns and all that, but Mayweather very smartly made over a hundred million dollars without injury, pain or swelling. To me he says yall I'm going to make my money, not get hurt, win and go home my way. I'd say he won more ways than one.

How can anyone be upset at him?

You mean besides the women he punched or denied press credentials to?

 

[mauconnfan]

You mean besides the women he punched or denied press credentials to?

This just is not a "man" who deserves 100M pay days. I get the "great fight" idea, but not sure how you pay to watch anything this criminal does? Yeah, yeah there are others, heck the Cowboys signed one. But this guy is literally "serial"! He's not a good guy.

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498

 

[Danzz]

Well the boxer won but man Mayweather's fights are tough to watch. He may be the best counter puncher of all time.

 

[traitor71]

I'm not sure I have ever seen a more commercialized fight. Floyd had the Burger King in his entourage for God's sake. How the hell did these guys miss a chance for Manny to bring Ronald McDonald out with him? As for the fight itself, it was about what I expected and there was no way we were going to see what we would have 4 or 5 years ago had they fought back then.

 

[methodology]

As i said a page earlier in this thread; the casual fan would not enjoy the fight. It happened exactly as most people thought would happen. Floyd just outclassed and out boxed Manny in every aspect. He was never in danger except for 1 time but he quickly recovered. He used his jab to keep Manny from getting inside and just moved better and killed Manny with counter punches.

Floyd put on a clinic and it was an absolute joy to watch. The casual fan doesnt appreciate the nuances and art of boxing. What Floyd did last night was like watching Greg Maddux pitch. Maddux didnt blow people away with 97 mph heaters. He was just insanely good at changing speeds, locating with pinpoint control, and making the ball cut and run in both directions and all 4 quadrants to keep hitters off balance and having no idea where or what was coming.. Maddux was a maestro when pitching and a joy to watch just like Floyd is in the ring. They aren't flashy they are just that much more intelligent and know exactly how to beat their opponents.

The people who think Manny was more active are mistaken also. They both threw about the same punches. Floyd blocked most of Manny's punches and landed his punches at a much higher rate. Hitting the gloves or arms arent clean hits in boxing. Floyds punches were getting through Manny's gloves.

 

[methodology]

I'm not sure I have ever seen a more commercialized fight. Floyd had the Burger King in his entourage for God's sake. How the hell did these guys miss a chance for Manny to bring Ronald McDonald out with him? As for the fight itself, it was about what I expected and there was no way we were going to see what we would have 4 or 5 years ago had they fought back then.

Its all money grabs. Whats to hate about the boxers maximizing their earning potential. Mannys camp had Freddy Roach wearing a Geico headband and then stopping to take a selfie. You have celebs sitting ringside for free as long as they wear a hat or shirt or whatever to market whatever company or product. Boxing has always been this way.

MMA has advertisements on shorts. Soccer has them on jerseys and the wall around the field. Baseball has advertisements on the walls.

 

[storrsroars]

This just is not a "man" who deserves 100M pay days. I get the "great fight" idea, but not sure how you pay to watch anything this criminal does? Yeah, yeah there are others, heck the Cowboys signed one. But this guy is literally "serial"! He's not a good guy.

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498

Bread and circuses. The demographic that buys this entertainment simply doesn't care about domestic violence and will sweep all sorts of ugliness under the rug in order to be entertained.

I'd personally boycott every Mayweather sponsor, but turns out I don't like any those products anyway. Although I was considering FanDuel... easily replaced.