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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

pj said:
Anyone have comparable data for the Hartford-New Haven market?
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UConn-Mizzou on ESPN at Noon, Sept 19 pulled a 4.1 local in Hartford/New Haven. The other numbers are tough to find or not apples to apples since they are on different networks. A very solid local rating given the fact that there was not much hype around the game (in fact, I think most UConn fans were convinced we were going to get blown out heading into the game).
 
NYUConn said:
Also, not for nothing but these aren't gangbuster numbers. The Houston-Temple game was the American title game, televised nationally on ESPN with no competition. Additionally, Navy has an enormous presence in Texas and was pretty damn good this past year and that match up on the last day of the regular season after we beat Houston was a de facto play in game for the AAC title.

The fact that Houston couldn't crack 4.4 on a single other game this season is more telling of their presence in that market, IMO.
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I know I'm breaking the Key Tweet thread rule by opining here, but since it's gone to Hell...

I think the Houston TV market can be easily studied based on one week's ratings: Saturday, November 2, PrimeTime.

That night, Houston played against Memphis in the biggest regular season AAC game ever. Houston's coach made a very big deal about selling the place out and being loud on national TV. The school literally gave away free tickets to make sure it was full for TV. Kickoff was 7PM. ESPN2 national coverage. How many people watched? 748K. A .6 national...an absolutely DREADFUL rating for a game that was hyped so much. No idea what the local Houston rating was for the game but it came nowhere near the rating for OU/Baylor (see below).

Meanwhile, at 8PM and down the road in Waco, OU vs Baylor kicked off at 8PM. ABC national coverage. Game pulled a 4.9 local (Houston), 3.8 national.


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Yes, Houston watches college football. But they don't want Houston if given the choice.

Again, Houston to the B12 helps Houston FAR more than the B12. That market is already saturated with SEC and B12 coverage.
 
Of the three I believe Starr was least inclined to expand.
Maybe this is a good sign that he is hitting the road.
 
The Viking said:
Of the three I believe Starr was least inclined to expand.
Maybe this is a good sign that he is hitting the road.
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For everyone that's not at Baylor, yeah. That place is a cesspool right now. We're talking Paterno-Sandusky level corruption and evil.
 
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jostar1 said:
Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 2h2 hours ago
We’re examining possible Big 12 expansion targets. A look at Cincinnati.
The Big 12 Expansion Tour: Cincinnati | Hookem.com
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The level of laziness with the "If they brought they money, they'd already be in" is sickening. It's ridiculous. It's like telling Jordan Spieth he shouldn't be invited to the 2015 Masters (which he won) because he didn't play in 2014 (when he was an amateur).

They mention the Learfield Cup standings, so I checked UConn. #41. Which would be 5th in the Big 12.
For kicks: Cinci: 88, CSU: 109, USF: 72, UCF: 215, Memphis: 215, BYU: 24.
 
Husky25 said:
Cable subscribers in Houston already pay for the Long Horn Network.
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Incorrect. UT and ESPN have tried for years and cannot get the LHN on Comcast in Houston. It's on UVerse, Dish, etc. But not Comcast, the largest cable provider.
 
Dude, are they going to get a higher carriage fee with Houston than without? Is that enough? SNY was able to charge 2.65 to be in CT, when they added UCONN programming. I have no idea,what a,big12 network would charge in CT, but it would not be insignificant.
 
noeynox said:
Dude, are they going to get a higher carriage fee with Houston than without? Is that enough? SNY was able to charge 2.65 to be in CT, when they added UCONN programming. I have no idea,what a,big12 network would charge in CT, but it would not be insignificant.
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Just for our Houston visitors, that's $2.65 per month * 1.3 million cable households * 12 months = $41 million/year for UConn's Tier 3 content plus some leftover higher tier content not taken nationally. Mostly women's and men's basketball.
 
UT is using Baylor, TT and TCU to point a gun at the rest of the Big12...to add Houston to that mix is essentially to give Texas the bullets.

And whether our visitor from Houston wants to admit it to himself, the minute their booster called out the UT board was the minute it was clear as day that Houston is out of the running.
 
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WestHartHusk said:
UT is using Baylor, TT and TCU to point a gun at the rest of the Big12...to add Houston to that mix is essentially to give Texas the bullets.
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Oh, I'd caution you against buying into that assumption.

That narrative (that Texas controls TCU and Texas Tech) all stems from a May 3rd Cincinnati Enquirer article that claimed seven Big 12 teams were pro-expansion while Texas Tech and TCU were siding with Texas to be anti-expansion.

The author of that article did not cite any facts to support that claim. He did not quote anyone, not even the "anonymous insider."

He simply prefaced the statement with the phrase "It is believed."

I seriously doubt that scenario.

Prior to the article coming out, I had heard Kansas State was ant-expansion. Recent quotes by their AD John Currie seem to confirm that.

I had also heard Baylor was anti-expansion while TCU was pro-expansion.

The Cincinnati Enquirer article was just a guess. Conjecture. There's no way for anybody to know anything that hasn't already gone on record.

And as for TCU feeling so obligated to Texas for the chance to be in the Big 12 that they would gladly submit to Texas' subjugation is just crazy.

Do you honestly think any university would give up its own self interest that way?
 
I lived in Houston for 6 years, UofH is 4th behind UT, aTm, and LSU in the market. 4th may be generous because OU is right there too. Just drive around neighborhoods and look at all the silly flags people put out.
 
SXM College Sports ‏@SiriusXMCollege · 5h5 hours ago
. @TTuberville said he can't believe that the Big 12 hasn't expanded yet and any team would be interested in joining.

SXM College Sports ‏@SiriusXMCollege · 5h5 hours ago
. @TTuberville tells us that if the Big 12 doesn't expand it will implode. He doesn't think it will stay status quo.

SXM College Sports‏@SiriusXMCollege
Listen: @TTuberville weighs in on the future of the #Big12.
 
junglehusky said:

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Which means more obstacles. Because one person in the Big 12 might be intrigued by Connecticut, seeing a new part of the country opened up for recruiting and exposure, while another may see increased travel headaches and costs, as well as a football stadium that’s too small.

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Asked if it felt like the league was deciding between a bunch of “B-minus” options, one source laughed, and said, “that’s a good way to put it."

Read more here: The promise and frustration of Big 12 expansion, seen as inevitable by many and needless by some

We can expand 'n stadium if need be - what does it matter to you anyway unnamed source!? @Dooley you know what to do, you know what to do.
 
Charley Horse said:
And as for TCU feeling so obligated to Texas for the chance to be in the Big 12 that they would gladly submit to Texas' subjugation is just crazy.

Do you honestly think any university would give up its own self interest that way?
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No, I don't. It is reasonable, however, for them decide that not angering 'the big dog' is in their self-interest.
 
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Mellinger is one of the best columnists in the country. That is probably the most accurate depiction of what is going on.
 
whaler11 said:
Mellinger is one of the best columnists in the country. That is probably the most accurate depiction of what is going on.
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Yes, the telling part was that he mentioned he talked to ~6 people "involved in the process". How many POV's were in Rashomon? I suspect other media types are talking to one or two people who may be involved in the process or two or three desks away from the process.
 
Big 12 Update ‏@Big12Update · 44m44 minutes ago
Big 12 Expansion's Point of No Return
Big 12 expansion inching toward point of no return.

Stand pat? The Big 12 can't like the idea of being $20 million behind the SEC and the Big Ten in the future. But invite the wrong programs (like, perhaps, UConn and Boise State) and the conference might find itself $25 or $30 million behind per team instead.

If the Big 12 is indeed unable to stand tall next to the behemoth budget of the SEC and Big Ten, kneecapping itself by inviting East Carolina isn't going to help.

That doesn't mean expansion is an awful idea. BYU would be a program in the top half of the Big 12 and deliver a nationwide fan base to support it and suddenly care very much about games between Texas Tech and West Virginia for the first time ever.

Cincinnati isn't New York City, but it's a football and basketball brand that wouldn't dilute the Big 12's on-field product, and the Bearcats would give the Big 12 a leg to stand on in Ohio. That would be valuable when selling a television network, and it would giving the league a better chance to recruit the state would make coaches smile. Additionally, Cincinnati would give some relief to West Virginia's annual travel and solidify the Big 12's reach to the east.
 
jostar1 said:
Big 12 Update ‏@Big12Update · 44m44 minutes ago
Big 12 Expansion's Point of No Return
Big 12 expansion inching toward point of no return.

Stand pat? The Big 12 can't like the idea of being $20 million behind the SEC and the Big Ten in the future. But invite the wrong programs (like, perhaps, UConn and Boise State) and the conference might find itself $25 or $30 million behind per team instead.

If the Big 12 is indeed unable to stand tall next to the behemoth budget of the SEC and Big Ten, kneecapping itself by inviting East Carolina isn't going to help.

That doesn't mean expansion is an awful idea. BYU would be a program in the top half of the Big 12 and deliver a nationwide fan base to support it and suddenly care very much about games between Texas Tech and West Virginia for the first time ever.

Cincinnati isn't New York City, but it's a football and basketball brand that wouldn't dilute the Big 12's on-field product, and the Bearcats would give the Big 12 a leg to stand on in Ohio. That would be valuable when selling a television network, and it would giving the league a better chance to recruit the state would make coaches smile. Additionally, Cincinnati would give some relief to West Virginia's annual travel and solidify the Big 12's reach to the east.
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1. Any evidence that UConn would make the B12 less profitable? No, of course not.

2. Cincy isn't NY. But lets fail to mention the one school that IS a part of NY.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
1. Any evidence that UConn would make the B12 less profitable? No, of course not.

2. Cincy isn't NY. But lets fail to mention the one school that IS a part of NY.
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Yeah. I saw that article this morning and didn't bother posting. Just Dave Ubben's (formerly ESPN's big 12 blogger) opinion with no facts to back it up.
 
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John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 26m26 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby on expansion: "The one thing I have said to our CEOs is that we’re pretty well through our research process …

John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 26m26 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby cont'd: We need to get down the line and on the path and make some decisions. Don’t think there’s any point in letting that linger…

John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 25m25 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby potential expansion: I would hope by the end of the summer we’ve made some of these decisions — one way or the other. #Big12

John Shinn‏@john_shinn
Bowlsby on Ken Starr's role at next week's Big 12 meetings: Isn’t known at this point. Baylor's leadership will decide who will represent it
 
"That means the Big 12, like any other power league, would be dipping into leagues like the Big East, American Athletic, or Mountain West."

St John's and Georgetown to the Big 12!
 
Butch said:
"That means the Big 12, like any other power league, would be dipping into leagues like the Big East, American Athletic, or Mountain West."

St John's and Georgetown to the Big 12!
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Tip of the cards?
 
jostar1 said:
John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 26m26 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby on expansion: "The one thing I have said to our CEOs is that we’re pretty well through our research process …

John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 26m26 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby cont'd: We need to get down the line and on the path and make some decisions. Don’t think there’s any point in letting that linger…

John Shinn ‏@john_shinn · 25m25 minutes ago  Oklahoma City, OK
Bowlsby potential expansion: I would hope by the end of the summer we’ve made some of these decisions — one way or the other. #Big12

John Shinn‏@john_shinn
Bowlsby on Ken Starr's role at next week's Big 12 meetings: Isn’t known at this point. Baylor's leadership will decide who will represent it
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I don't think Ken Starr is going to be attending any meetings soon as Baylor's rep. The Board of Regents just blew up the football program, fired Briles, demoted Starr and sanctioned the AD.
 
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