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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

Having just watched an election where the losing side sounded confident of winning right up to the end, Andy Katz sounds like a Louisville surrogate who is spouting talking points without any factual basis.

He doesn't even say he has a source. Maybe he caught a case of the vibrations from Peggy Noonan.
 
Oh, oh. Don't like the sound of that.

On the other hand, Katz has the narrative wrong. WV was always the first choice, and Louisville tried to nudge them out.

That has me feeling better.
 
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Good idea zoo. I will be checking in sporadically today (in theory it's still a working day) but will check this thread first... I assume we're following mostly the same media people but if I see something new I'll add it.
 
the tweets that matter are the pac beat writer and the guy from norty cary writer fro some paper that said uconn was already the pick. forget what the names were but those tweets are out there some where.
 
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The California guy is named Wilner, writes for the San Jose Mercury News. While he probably has sources, who knows how good they are, especially since it seems that there's been a tide change over the past 24 hours from strong UConn to neck and neck UConn and UL. Who knows if his information came before this tide change.
 
I had a key tweet today:

Louisville fan: @TheWildEagle38: Arguing between UConn and UofL for the ACC spot is so dumb it shouldn't even be a ? Yes they have good men's and women's bball but what else

My response: @mattmang23: @TheWildEagle38 start w/ 2x the market size, proximity to NYC & Boston and student body that wouldn't be rejected from CT community colleges
 
UConn and LV have played football 7 times since Louisville joined the Big East. They have a 4-3 advantage over us.

Rationally, there is no overriding football advantage they have to override all the advantages we have. The "internet buzz" is merely people who can't understand that the fact that we didn't play big time football before 2000 is just not relevant to where the programs are going.
 
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businesslawyer said:
UConn and LV have played football 7 times since Louisville joined the Big East. They have a 4-3 advantage over us.

Rationally, there is no overriding football advantage they have to override all the advantages we have. The "internet buzz" is merely people who can't understand that the fact that we didn't play big time football before 2000 is just not relevant to where the programs are going.
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Realistically, Louisville's location (proximity to most bowl games) means that their fans will travel in much greater numbers than either a UConn (or a Syracuse). That counts for something, too. I have felt that you guys are the logical choice.

Kind of surprised that Louisville is getting the play it's getting. I kind of think this is already a done deal for UConn, based on their quiet posture in the media right now. Those who have an invite keep quiet; those who don't campaign in the press.
 
This could be interpreted in a couple different ways if you read between the lines..
‏@ericcrawford
#UofL president James Ramsey on the ACC: "It would be a great conference for us, if we ever got that opportunity."
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UL fans will read that sentence, with the first part loud and the second part quiet. UConn fans will read the first part quiet and the second part loud:)
 
junglehusky said:
This could be interpreted in a couple different ways if you read between the lines..
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If you read the series of statements, and don't cherry pick one sentence out of it, there is only one way to read it.
 
I think the only play L'ville is getting is on Twitter and messgae boards. I think the ACC has pretty much decided on UConn already and UConn has already decided to accept.
 
The Funster said:
I think the only play L'ville is getting is on Twitter and messgae boards. I think the ACC has pretty much decided on UConn already and UConn has already decided to accept.
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If there was any way that you could back that up with facts, I'd be so much happier. As it is, we (as fans) have to sit back, watch, and hope for a positive outcome.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
The California guy is named Wilner, writes for the San Jose Mercury News. While he probably has sources, who knows how good they are, especially since it seems that there's been a tide change over the past 24 hours from strong UConn to neck and neck UConn and UL. Who knows if his information came before this tide change.
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The neck and neck stuff has not come from any credible sources. Sure Andy Katz said Louisville is a threat but Andy Katz also said the ACC should just take UConn and UL together.
 
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LRock34 said:
The neck and neck stuff has not come from any credible sources. Sure Andy Katz said Louisville is a threat but Andy Katz also said the ACC should just take UConn and UL together.
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Katz is just talking. He is allowed to do so, but he didn't claim he actually knew anything. Wilner was making a statement based on what sources that he believed told him.
 
ACC should take UConn, UL and UC because I suspect there will be further defections from the ACC in the future. This also forces the hand of the Big 12/SEC. Might as well get it all over with now.
 
uc1974 said:
ACC should take UConn, UL and UC because I suspect there will be further defections from the ACC in the future. This also forces the hand of the Big 12/SEC. Might as well get it all over with now.
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How does the ACC taking 3 teams instead of one force anyone else's hand exactly? There are no teams that anyone else wants that aren't already locked up.
 
It might be a hard sell for either UConn or Louisville alone to get the 14th spot. But to tell school presidents to split the pie into smaller pieces for three okay football programs and no really big ones (not that any are available) is probably a much harder sell. But as Katz implied, at this point maybe stuff doesn't need to make sense any more.
 
Point taken, bl. I guess I assumed some secret desires on the part of the SEC/Big 12. Sorta like a hidden crush waiting for... Hell, I have a headache.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Realistically, Louisville's location (proximity to most bowl games) means that their fans will travel in much greater numbers than either a UConn (or a Syracuse). That counts for something, too. I have felt that you guys are the logical choice.

Kind of surprised that Louisville is getting the play it's getting. I kind of think this is already a done deal for UConn, based on their quiet posture in the media right now. Those who have an invite keep quiet; those who don't campaign in the press.
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Does it though? Or at least, does it count for much? Serious question.

Let's say UL/UConn make a bowl. If UL fills the stands and UConn only fills half it's allotment, that's great for UL and all but does it mean much if the number of TV's watching at home is half that of UConn's (I don't know the exact numbers, but theoretically)? TV ad revenue could more than make up for any lost gate sales, I would think.

Of course you have a ton of other factors, but if TV is really running things, attendance doesn't really matter as long as the eyes are glued to the screens if they aren't at the park.
 
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junglehusky said:
It might be a hard sell for either UConn or Louisville alone to get the 14th spot. But to tell school presidents to split the pie into smaller pieces for three okay football programs and no really big ones (not that any are available) is probably a much harder sell. But as Katz implied, at this point maybe stuff doesn't need to make sense any more.
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The best and most safe route to take for the ACC and ESPN is to take on UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati, then renegotiate a slightly larger deal with espn so per school dollars go up a little and increase the buyout from 50 to 75-100 million. ESPN would increase the deal a little because if they don't, than schools will leave and the value of the conference may go down significantly. So in the long run ESPN will lose money from advertisers if they don't incentive the conference. Not sure about how easy it is to restructure the deal. Also, ESPN might just want to gamble that the ACC will stay in tact. They will lose that bet 95% of the time though. I'm sure my plan is too idealistic, but it seems to make a lot of sense.
 
uc1974 said:
Point taken, bl. I guess I assumed some secret desires on the part of the SEC/Big 12. Sorta like a hidden crush waiting for... Hell, I have a headache.
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Pour yourself three fingers and sit tight. Here's a tidbit of info: Things are either going to change, or stay the same.

I hope our football players aren't paying attention to this mess the way the boneyarders are. BL's got year end stuff to do, and I think he's gone from 3k to 4k in posts in 24 hours. We need focus, b/c I want to kick the crap out of Louisville and continue to save this season.
 
MattMang23 said:
I had a key tweet today:

Louisville fan: @TheWildEagle38: Arguing between UConn and UofL for the ACC spot is so dumb it shouldn't even be a ? Yes they have good men's and women's bball but what else

My response: @mattmang23: @TheWildEagle38 start w/ 2x the market size, proximity to NYC & Boston and student body that wouldn't be rejected from CT community colleges
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Looks like he deleted your response.
 
MattMang23 said:
Awwww he didn't like things that make sense.
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You should tell him we also have national titles in soccer and field hockey and they are only 4-3 against us in football. Louisville should just go to the Big 12. The Big East was a huge help to Louisville. But we were in the Big East way before. Would be nice if people would return favors.
 
Butch said:
You should tell him we also have national titles in soccer and field hockey and they are only 4-3 against us in football. Louisville should just go to the Big 12. The Big East was a huge help to Louisville. But we were in the Big East way before. Would be nice if people would return favors.
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Lol look at his prior tweets. He's touting their baseball and soccer teams. I wanted to respond to that also but I figured one response tweet was all he was worth.
 
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@DanWolken: Not a single school that left C-USA wants to go back. In worst case scenario they'd form something else.
 
Arguing with L'ville folks about which program is better is useless banter. There is no question that UConn and L'ville are the two most complete athletic programs in the BE and are better total athletic programs than many in the larger conferences. Rutgers made a decision to throw all their eggs into the Shiano basket and spend boatloads of money on football while other sports floundered and academic programs were cut. They took much criticism for that pathway, but the B1G bailed them out and they are patting themselves on the back now.

I am very proud of UConn's total package and hope there is value in strong men's and women's olympic sports. However, what this will come down three factors
1) just like the Rutgers decision by the B1G, UConn offers a larger TV audience which will be expanded as the Boston market embraces a true NE rivalry,
2) There is regional appeal for the ACC with 'cuse and BC. Once BC gets over their paranoia they will find that having UConn in their conference is a positive for TV coverage in the Boston area and for recruiting in both football and basketball. Loisuville would be a major outlier in the ACC from a geographic standpoint, with the best potential rival being Pitt
3) Most importantly, UConn has a far stronger academic reputation that is only getting better. UConn has been moving up in ratings in the past 5 years and shows no signs of slowing. Louisville would be a huge drop in ACC academic standards. UConn is a flagship university that fits the ACC mold to perfection. Louisville will always be second in Kentucky regardless of on field success.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think we need a thread that is a repository of key tweets.
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Now there's an oxymoron.

>90% of what's being tweeted is people making up crap/giving their opinions
 
Be relentless on twitter with these cretins. Fact after fact.

Louisville has a 22% graduation rate, it is a commuter college, its student body profile is two standard deviations away from the ACC's and UConn's

Addition of UConn offsets the isolation of BC, Cuse and Pitt with the Big 10 taking MD and Rutgers;

Not only is Hartford-New Haven market #30, but UConn is the only tristate team to actually have a cable contract with a NYC based network (sNY),

Nate Silver (I'm to the right of attila the hun so don't give me grief on this guy) says that UConn with 618,000 fans versus Louisville with 300,000

UConn's football recruiting ranking for 2013 is light years ahead of Louisville's, even with PP
#54 v #73. Louisville is being outrecruited by Southern Miss and Tulane

Louisville currently has a DIRTY recruiter Clint Hurtt that provides the pipeline from south florida that has given Strong his success. Clint Hurtt will be gone after this year when the NCAA crushes Miami. That has been why Louisville has been successful. Does the ACC want any part of this with what is going on at Miami and UNC. UConn's APR problems end this year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-clint_hurtt_allegations

"According to summary documents acquired by Yahoo! Sports, Shapiro told federal agents in taped interviews that on two occasions, he paid for Hurtt to bring large groups of Hurricanes football recruits to dinner at Miami Beach restaurant Café Grazie."
 
Sportsman5 said:
The best and most safe route to take for the ACC and ESPN is to take on UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati, then renegotiate a slightly larger deal with espn so per school dollars go up a little and increase the buyout from 50 to 75-100 million. ESPN would increase the deal a little because if they don't, than schools will leave and the value of the conference may go down significantly. So in the long run ESPN will lose money from advertisers if they don't incentive the conference. Not sure about how easy it is to restructure the deal. Also, ESPN might just want to gamble that the ACC will stay in tact. They will lose that bet 95% of the time though. I'm sure my plan is too idealistic, but it seems to make a lot of sense.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes... The best move the ACC can make, basically their only long-term hope. Arguing over petty differences among the three will be perilous. Take them all. NO ONE from SEC, B1G (or Pac, of course) is coming to ACC; highly unlikely any BigXII comes to ACC. The 2012 Big East is the "best of the rest", and UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati are "the best of the 2012 Big East".

I would be stunned if it happened.
 
caw said:
Does it though? Or at least, does it count for much? Serious question.

Let's say UL/UConn make a bowl. If UL fills the stands and UConn only fills half it's allotment, that's great for UL and all but does it mean much if the number of TV's watching at home is half that of UConn's (I don't know the exact numbers, but theoretically)? TV ad revenue could more than make up for any lost gate sales, I would think.

Of course you have a ton of other factors, but if TV is really running things, attendance doesn't really matter as long as the eyes are glued to the screens if they aren't at the park.
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You forget the power of the bowl people. There is a TON of money made from tourism at all these cities; that's why there are so damn many of them now, and that is why the bowls haven't just gone away in favor of a straight up playoff system. And the bowl people want 35,000 people in the stands - and in the hotels, and bars and restaurants of the host city; not 1/10 of that number. It's not all about TV, although TV is obviously huge.
 
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Hah, I replied to Pete Thamel, we'll see if he responds..

@SIPeteThamel
One TV exec floats idea of a coast-to-coast hoops league. Could that be future of Big East hoops? My @sinow story. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/pete_thamel/11/20/Big-East-realignment/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a2 …

@junglehusky
@SIPeteThamel Your comparison of UL vs. UConn athletics is lazy conventional wisdom. Have you checked head-to-head record in football?


@junglehusky
@SIPeteThamel How about number of times UConn finished ahead of UL in the Big East?
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I, too, will observe the power of the bowl and alter my state of mind so I can stop thinking of conference realignment.
 
IthacaMatt said:
You forget the power of the bowl people. There is a TON of money made from tourism at all these cities; that's why there are so damn many of them now, and that is why the bowls haven't just gone away in favor of a straight up playoff system. And the bowl people want 35,000 people in the stands - and in the hotels, and bars and restaurants of the host city; not 1/10 of that number. It's not all about TV, although TV is obviously huge.
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Yes, but they have almost zero influence in realignment (relative to TV at least).

I agree that UL is probably a more favored pick for bowl games, is a bowl person going to tell any ACC team, "we won't take an ACC team if you take UConn over UL." I doubt it, highly.
 
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