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CL82 said:
List the schools, and then reevaluate in terms of intensity of fan support. Your analysis is legislators will act in support of G5 schools. In my opinion, they will do nothing so that they will not alienate the P2 schools fans. Taking action puts them at risk. Doing nothing does not.
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Politicians don't need to do anything here. It all depends on how ballsy our agency heads are. The current ones are enforcing antitrust law.
 
UConnJim said:
I don't think the P2 has the legislative weight. Why? Look at each of the states and count the number of P2 vs non-P2 schools. In Texas, there are 2 P2 schools and 10 non-P2 schools. In Florida, there is 1 P2 school and 6 non-P2 schools. In Ohio, there is 1 P2 school and 7 non-P2 schools. In Georgia, there is 1 P2 school and 4 non-P2 schools. In California, there are 2 P2 schools and 4 non-P2 schools. etc,... Look at the student populations of Florida schools:

P2: 56k
non-P2: 236k

Based on those numbers, do you think politicians are going to side with P2 schools and diminish the majority of schools in their states? No way.
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Not if they don't want to be out of a job.
 
CL82 said:
List the schools, and then reevaluate in terms of intensity of fan support. Your analysis is legislators will act in support of G5 schools. In my opinion, they will do nothing so that they will not alienate the P2 schools fans. Taking action puts them at risk. Doing nothing does not.
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Here's how to think about this. The Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 (NFL anti-trust) was passed by the House, Senate, and signed into law by the President. The P2 leaves out too many schools and states to be able to get legislation through Washington.

So, in Florida, alienate the fans of Florida St., Miami, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU? Not happening.

Here's another way to look at fan support. Combined average attendance by game of P2 vs non-P2 schools by state:

Florida: P2: 89.6k, non-P2: 244.4k
Texas: P2: 200.8K, non-P2: 339.6k
California: P2: 113.9k, non-P2: 153.4k
Ohio: P2: 103.8k, non-P2: 113.9k
 
UConnJim said:
Here's how to think about this. The Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 (NFL anti-trust) was passed by the House, Senate, and signed into law by the President. The P2 leaves out too many schools and states to be able to get legislation through Washington.

So, in Florida, alienate the fans of Florida St., Miami, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU? Not happening.

Here's another way to look at fan support. Combined average attendance by game of P2 vs non-P2 schools by state:

Florida: P2: 89.6k, non-P2: 244.4k
Texas: P2: 200.8K, non-P2: 339.6k
California: P2: 113.9k, non-P2: 153.4k
Ohio: P2: 103.8k, non-P2: 113.9k
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This is an arguement I've been making for a couple of years; if there is bi-partisan political will across numerous states that have non-P2 (D1-D3) impacted states (which is basically all 50 states), then it's going to be difficult for a P2 breakoff. Unless the FB P2 agrees to some sort of large March Madness concession. Maybe there are other concessions the P2 could make as well.
 
Devil is always in the details:



-> MW BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT: The conference basketball tournament will remain in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Note: The league was not considering moving the event outside of Las Vegas, though had explored moving the tournament out of the Thomas & Mack Center on UNLV’s campus. It has been reported that it will now remain at the Thomas & Mack, though all that is spelled out in the MOU is that it remain in Las Vegas).

OFFICES MOVING: Though it’s unclear why this would be included in an MOU of this nature, clause eight reads: “The conference will move its offices to Las Vegas, Nevada, as soon as practicable after the expiration of its existing office lease in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and such Conference offices shall remain in Las Vegas, Nevada, at least through the end of the Term of this MOU and the Grant of Rights Agreement.” The league’s headquarters have been in Colorado Springs since December 1998.

MOVING FORWARD: Notably, any MW member school invited to join the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 or SEC can leave without penalty. And the MOU can be modified only in writing and with both the league and 3/4 of the member schools. <-
 
UConnJim said:
Sitting on the sidelines means any legislation won't pass.
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How is all this picking up steam so fast out of no where with every scenario excluding anyone whos not in the haves effective immediately?
 
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This opens up a lot of anti trust issues with the G5 and others. Essentially, if they take private equity, the are going to be subject to anti-trust accusations.

I just don’t see the rest of college athletics willing to allow this kind of consolidation. Also, that also opens up the league as a for profit enterprise.

Just way too complicated.
 
Alum86 said:
Agree. Didn’t we just turn our noses at a FB only invite because it was “not a good fit?” Join now, worry later.
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The PAC as newly reconfigured isn't part of the 70, but it appears that Project Rudy does include Washington State and Oregon State, at least when they started working on the proposal. The schools in the P4 Conferences total 67, plus ND makes 68. The other two must be Washington State and Oregon State.
 
JohnFSilver said:
This opens up a lot of anti trust issues with the G5 and others. Essentially, if they take private equity, the are going to be subject to anti-trust accusations.

I just don’t see the rest of college athletics willing to allow this kind of consolidation. Also, that also opens up the league as a for profit enterprise.

Just way too complicated.
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The 70 schools, for the most part, represent the largest schools in a state. I doubt that senators or congressmen from those states will support anti-trust action Initiated by the DOJ. Yes, there may be other schools of consequence in these states but it won’t move the needle from a political perspective.

if we have a PAC offer we should take it Now.
 
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Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...
 
Sea Goat said:
Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...
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The problem is all the royalty outside of UConn is already in the P4.

Remember in the past 50-60 years, UConn and nova are the only two non-P2/3/4 schools to win basketball championships.
 
Sea Goat said:
Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...
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Those same 70 schools will join to take over the basketball tournaments also. This is a scenario many here were concerned about and why they felt it necessary to save football. There were detractors, mainly basketball focused yarders, who did not believe it could happen. This is a possible future.
 
Chin Diesel said:
The problem is all the royalty outside of UConn is already in the P4.

Remember in the past 50-60 years, UConn and nova are the only two non-P2/3/4 schools to win basketball championships.
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For full disclosure I need to add UNLV in 1990, Gtown's win in 1984, and Marquette in 1977.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Those same 70 schools will join to take over the basketball tournaments also. This is a scenario many here were concerned about and why they felt it necessary to save football. There were detractors, mainly basketball focused yarders, who did not believe it could happen. This is a possible future.
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Right. In one group you'll have UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Indiana, Mich St, Louisville, Indiana, and the rest of the P2/3/4.

In the competing tournament you'll have UConn, Villanova, and SDSU and maybe Gonzaga.

Tough call as to which tournament will get $$$$, eyeballs and press coverage.
 
Why would the SEC/B1G do this? It literally gives them nothing. They already print money. They control their own destiny. Why give away money to Private Equity?

They've already won. There's no need for them to change anything at all.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
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