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Evers played as well as Joe did two weeks ago and did it against better competition. The QB play is what it is, there's not much separating the two at the moment. However, Evers has the higher ceiling and so he's the one the coaches have decided to roll with.
There is not very much daylight between the two QBs even if they are very different players.

What it comes down to for me is one of them gets the ball to Bell and the other doesn't.
 
There is not very much daylight between the two QBs even if they are very different players.

What it comes down to for me is one of them gets the ball to Bell and the other doesn't.
That's a fair observation and a fair point. I've said that both quarterbacks are good enough for us to win, barely. They definitely each bring pros and cons.

The thing that kills me with both of them is that they both tend to lock onto their targets. Against better defenses you're going to get caught doing that and get picked off. That should've been groomed out of both of them in high school.

You make a really good point about Fagnano getting the ball to Bell. You put the ball in his hands and good things happen. I actually like Evers passing better in that he throws it right in there on a rope whereas Fagnano seems to always lob it in. The latter is easy to catch and also easier to pick off.

The bottom line is, we have very little margin against P4 teams. Stupid mistakes like getting caught moving cost us there where it might not against FCS or even G5 opponents. We are good enough to get to a bowl, but the game against Rice is the key. We can't let that one slip through our fingers. And with very little margin, every advantage matters. One advantage at home is the crowd. At yesterday's game the crowd was loud, but not as loud as it would be with another 10,000 people in the stadium. If you haven't gotten to a game yet, Rice is your last chance. Yesterday was beautiful day in the stadium and just an absolute blast. Make it a point to go. I don't care if your wife wants you to go shoe shopping with her or if you're worried that your grandkids will be traumatized if you miss their crappy ass soccer game. Support your university team. You will have a great time, and crowds at the stadium matters more than you think it does.
 
On a side note, while I have lots of issues with ACC over the years, No issues w/ their football fans. That Wake board is suprisingly reasonable.

We are almost a perfect fit in that league for football.

We’ve played 2 ACC teams - I would make the argument both on the road :) - and a total of 8 points separates us. UConn had chance to win in both games.

It feels like a perfect fit.

But my angst goes back many years with ACC and BC but for football, hand meet glove IMO.
As I'm washing my UConn gear today to get rid of the stench of yesterday's bad juju, your post hit a fine point, we lost two games by 8 points. We score once more in both games, and our record is a fantastic turnaround from last year. It took horrible biased calls and no calls from the buffoons supplied by the All Cretins Conference to keep us from beating their teams. The epiphany being they don't just hate us, they fear us and need help from the blind zebras cuz they don't have they cajones to beat us by their own merit. On a level playing field, we can beat the All Cretins, they know it, and they're scared of being shown up by us. This thought will soothe me until we destroy Rice.
 
That's a fair observation and a fair point. I've said that both quarterbacks are good enough for us to win, barely. They definitely each bring pros and cons.

The thing that kills me with both of them is that they both tend to lock onto their targets. Against better defenses you're going to get caught doing that and get picked off. That should've been groomed out of both of them in high school.

You make a really good point about Fagnano getting the ball to Bell. You put the ball in his hands and good things happen. I actually like Evers passing better in that he throws it right in there on a rope whereas Fagnano seems to always lob it in. The latter is easy to catch and also easier to pick off.

The bottom line is, we have very little margin against P4 teams. Stupid mistakes like getting caught moving cost us there where it might not against FCS or even G5 opponents. We are good enough to get to a bowl, but the game against Rice is the key. We can't let that one slip through our fingers. And with very little margin, every advantage matters. One advantage at home is the crowd. At yesterday's game the crowd was loud, but not as loud as it would be with another 10,000 people in the stadium. If you haven't gotten to a game yet, Rice is your last chance. Yesterday was beautiful day in the stadium and just an absolute blast. Make it a point to go. I don't care if your wife wants you to go shoe shopping with her or if you're worried that your grandkids will be traumatized if you miss their crappy ass soccer game. Support your university team. You will have a great time, and crowds at the stadium matters more than you think it does.
Has the Georgia State game been cancelled? LOL.
 
We had 2 weeks to prepare, and we didn’t figure out anything.
I agree. But I also think I called it a week and a half ago and got flamed for my effort. UConn was pathetic in the first quarter. And if Evers was under restriction not to run, why was he in there? As inconsistent as JF is, he is a better passer. The OL basically stunk. Not even 100 yards rushing? And it looked like the D did no tackling practice for two weeks. A perfect day and a relatively large crowd. But while there may have been 30K tickets distributed, there were no more than 25K actually in the seats. The trend is good however. Basically twice the Buffalo crowd.

I am not sold on Sammis. I think UConn would be better served by a change in time for next year. Guessing it won't happen though. Too soon.
 
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My son got mad at me because I quoted a WF Fan - guess that’s taboo in our house.


WF Fan said “Well once they figured out they couldn’t run in 1st half, why didn’t they put Fagnano in the game? He’s obviously the better passer.”

Also let’s face it Evers had some bad throws and could have been 4 INTs.

Evers was also coming back after 2 concussions. No reason not to give Fagnano some reps. yesterday, Sr. Leadership could have gone a long way.
I thought Evers was good in second half. 26-43, 264 and two TDs is a good bounce back.

We are looking at QBs here like they are nfl qbs. He isn't an nfl qb and doesn't play like one.

There were drops, and he isnt perfect, but i thought it was productive.

Fagnano can get the ball more vertical, but is also inconsistent. Kid showed moxy and played well second half.
 
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My biggest concern going into this year was the offense. Mora, in his first two years here, has shown a good amount of competence on the defensive side of the ball. To me, it seems like his biggest failure has been trusting his OC to handle all of the offensive duties. Many college teams have a small army of analysts to scheme together an offensive game plan. You saw during the Wake game how there were multiple people in a booth doing the play calling. And Wake, as you know, is bottom of the barrel in terms of football investments. They ONLY spend 3M on their head coach, which is more or less what we pay our entire coaching staff.

The outcome of this game obviously sucked, but I am walking away with a bit of encouragement about Nick Evers. Take a look at his interception. (You might think it weird of me to use his INT as encouragement, but stick with me.)

This is the start of the play:
Wake Forest vs. UConn Game Highlights _ 2024 ACC Football 0-0 screenshot.jpg


UConn is in their 11-personnel. QB shotgunned. Usually this means RPO. Wake is in a nickel defense, cover-2. Obvious zone. Pre-snap, the most likely and optimal outcome is some sort of inside slant to Sheffield lined up in the slot position. 5-7 yard game. That's exactly what Evers read. Good job there.

Post snap, 1 second later (I have a photo, but can only upload 2), confirmed zone defense. OLB is covering Sheffield. Evers is looking downfield instead of at Sheffield. Another good job there by Evers.

Wake Forest vs. UConn Game Highlights _ 2024 ACC Football 0-5 screenshot.jpg


This is about 1 sec before the INT. All the middle defenders are looking at the QB, seemingly knowing this was an RPO. Defenders know it's a pass play at this point. Sheffield is about to make a big mistake, followed by Evers throwing to him. Sheffield should have cut inside right there before meeting the OLB. Instead, he kept running another 5 yards -- a different route -- past the OLB, delaying the expected throw. The play is broken. Evers could have thrown it to Cam, but he was a bit slow to get open. Evers should have also tried running it outside with Cam as the lead blocker. Wake was rushing only rushing 3, so room was there. Instead, he throw into quadruple coverage.

Sheffield made the first mistake and Evers didn't adjust to the mistake. This is the inexperience part Ever's game, learning not just how to adjust to a defense, but how to adjust to your teammates messing up. However, inexperience is something that usually goes away with more reps. Keep in mind here, I'm showing you stills, but all of this stuff happened in this one play happened in less than 5 seconds. High level football is much harder to play than watch.

Later in the game, UConn ran the same formation and Wake the same defense. Evers threw a dime to the streaking Gathings running an outside post resulting in a TD in the 3Q. The throw only took 2 secs, the entire play 3. It took awhile for OC Sammis to see that our oline wasn't playing their best. The adjustments Sammis made were good, just slow. Seems that the inexperience isn't all on Evers.

In saying all of this, I do think we have something here in a potential Evers, but I much rather we have a six year senior like Bachmeier with a couple 3000 passing seasons under his belt and 225 LB frame. Unfortunately, those are kind of rare and we just fell short in recruiting and short in the game. Still, this year's team is much improved and will probably get better.

How many of you would have taken 7-8 wins at this time last year, even if it came against all G5 teams?
 
I agree. But I also think I called it a week and a half ago and got flamed for my effort. UConn was pathetic in the first quarter. And if Evers was under restriction not to run, why was he in there? As inconsistent as JF is, he is a better passer. The OL basically stunk. Not even 100 yards rushing? And it looked like the D did no tackling practice for two weeks. A perfect day and a relatively large crowd. But while there may have been 30K tickets distributed, there were no more 25K actually in the seats. The trend is good however. Basically twice the Buffalo crowd.

I am not sold on Sammis. I think UConn would be better served by a change in time for next year. Guessing it won't happen though. Too soon.
You don't think wake has good coaches?

They were prepared. They didn't get out schemed. They lost game physically on the lines. They didn't get enough pressure, and they got beat.
 
I thought the lower bowl was good at start of game. My section 122 was full. ESPN had attendance at 30K. It was great weather for football and tailgating.
We are like LA and Miami. We don't get into the game at the start as a fanbase. Something haple s at Bostin College.

Secondly, every week for 20 years of fbs UConn fans/media talk and complain about the crowd.

I am sick of the crowd talk. Sell tickets. As long as they are there are some point it is great.

But every week for this team since 2004 is a referendum on if UConn can play fbs football. It is tired.

People will show up to win the games if it is a P4 team and UConn is halfway decent.
 
The coaches need to work on Evers’ mechanics. He throws such a flat ball. When he’s rushed he short arms his throws and guys are trying to catch balls from their knees. There were more than a handful of drives that were a bad throw away from moving the chains.
 
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You don't think wake has good coaches?

They were prepared. They didn't get out schemed. They lost game physically on the lines. They didn't get enough pressure, and they got beat.
Where did I say that?

You know, if the running game is completely stalled, they might have considered putting in a fullback to lay the wood. Do you think Todman got all those yards without Anthony Sherman laying the wood? The correct answer is no.

And yes, I think NE was not the optimum choice given the options available, albeit limited.
 
I don't blame Wake Forest for the way the game ended. After all, if the ACC destructs, WF could be homeless unless their record improves. If the ACC survives and UConn is a member, Wake could be a fun rivalry for UConn.
In my dreams!
 
I thought Evers was good in second half. 26-43, 264 and two TDs is a good bounce back.

We are looking at QBs here like they are nfl qbs. He isn't an nfl qb and doesn't play like one.

There were drops, and he isnt perfect, but i thought it was productive.

Fagnano can get the ball more vertical, but is also inconsistent. Kid showed moxy and played well second half.
I hear you and this wasn’t the only reason we lost the game.

I think the margin of error gets smaller as we play better teams. That was apparent yesterday. We can’t have a QB miss as many throws and not run for any yards - they can’t disappear for Quarters.

I think the only caveat is I thought Evers played well 4th quarter.

His total yards a bit misleading as we essentially gave up running the ball which game him lots more attempts.

To me this is about in game adjustments and doing what it takes to win the game vs. just coming up short.
 
Not easy to win games playing from behind most or all the game. No room for error or bad calls /penalties.
 
As I'm washing my UConn gear today to get rid of the stench of yesterday's bad juju, your post hit a fine point, we lost two games by 8 points. We score once more in both games, and our record is a fantastic turnaround from last year. It took horrible biased calls and no calls from the buffoons supplied by the All Cretins Conference to keep us from beating their teams. The epiphany being they don't just hate us, they fear us and need help from the blind zebras cuz they don't have they cajones to beat us by their own merit. On a level playing field, we can beat the All Cretins, they know it, and they're scared of being shown up by us. This thought will soothe me until we destroy Rice.
Interestingly I didn’t feel any angst towards Wake at end of game or today.

This was the ACC Inc. literally sticking a fork in us and saying “we are going to elevate Wake at your expense and there’s not a dang thing you can do about it.”

I was at the game, That blank stare on the refs faces as they refused to look at each other as they reversed UConn first downs, move spots back on key downs only for UConn, called for replays only on plays that would benefit Wake Forest after we hiked the ball, and then ultimately refused to discuss the most important call of the day - that said it all.

As I told my son as we left the stadium, it would be a more interesting topic if the calls could have gone either way… This was just blatant— took joy out of the game for both us and even Wake. You could tell their fans are not feeling as good as they could - tainted just a Bit. But again, I don’t blame them. This is ACC inc.
 
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FINALLY cooled off enough to get thoughts together:
1. The in stadium play announcer-
a. Never cared for his voice since Day 1
b. DON'T announce a First down until the game official signals it AND you actually see the chains move
c. AD Dave should either terminate his employment, severely fine him, or put him on suspension for not accurately calling the play on the field
d. The announcer ISN'T there for the patrons' entertainment, just for accurate information. DITCH the schtick!

2. Coaching staff
a. Who's monitoring the play on the field? Why are you reacting to the stadium announcer's call of a first down & not actually calling a play that will get you the half yard needed to convert it?
b. After the missed pass play the situation is 4th & a half yard needed for a first down near mid-field with just over 11 minutes left in regulation. UConn is down by 10 points, needing 2 scores to either win outright or force overtime. I would have been much more comfortable rolling the dice trying to get that first down, rather than surrendering the ball & allowing Wake to run valuable time off of the clock.
3. The officiating crew-
a. The ACC bias was evident throughout the game with the lack of holding called against Wake, the infuriating non-holding. pass interference to end UConn's last gasp at offense & the "first down that wasn't".

Just a painful waste of a lovely day for football.
I agree that AD David Benedict MUST reconcile the game officiating situation. UConn mustn't be in the position of playing contests with 2 strikes against them.
I suggest any of the following solutions;
a. IF, as has been speculated, the XII (Yormark) actually is interested in adding the Huskies in the future, sign an officiating contract with the XII beginning next season.
b. When the Big East fell apart after West Virginia left, many of its better officials were hired by the B1G. If UConn needs a second option, Benedict should look in this direction.
c. Barring a or b, try getting a contract with the SEC for game officials. UConn currently schedules games against SEC teams infrequently.

In any event AD Dave needs to vent UConn's frustrations to ACC offices with video documentation & let the ACC know that the University won't tolerate this treatment any longer. (or is there some fine print in the contract signed saying this ACC bias is allowed)
 
Interestingly I didn’t feel any angst towards Wake at end of game or today.

This was the ACC Inc. literally sticking a fork in us and saying “we are going to elevate Wake at your expense and there’s not a dang thing you can do about it.”

I was at the game, That blank stare on the refs faces as they refused to look at each other as they reversed UConn first downs, move spots back on key downs only for UConn, called for replays only on plays that would benefit Wake Forest after we hiked the ball, and then ultimately refused to discuss the most important call of the day - that said it all.

As I told my son as we left the stadium, it would be a more interesting topic if the calls could have gone either way… This was just blatant— took joy out of the game for both us and even Wake. You could tell their fans are not feeling as good as they could - tainted just a Bit. But again, I don’t blame them. This is ACC inc.
I agree 100 percent.
 
There were plenty of Wake Forest fans at the game. But there were a couple guys in row 7 in front of us, Section 200, who had flown out of Greenville, SC, to Hartford and taken an Uber to the Rent. No Wake regalia on. My antenna went up talking to them but nothing was divulged. One guy said nothing and the other said that he had seen Wake a couple times this year but had not seen UConn yet. Also that he was aware that Jim Mora had once coached the Falcons. They seemed impressed by the band's playing of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. It surprised them. The comment: "Wow." Gotta say that it IS an impressive part of the band's routine.
 
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Can someone post a link to it? I've looked on UConn+, on YouTube, and just googled it and I can't find it. That was such a frustrating finish. It would be somewhat satisfying to see Mora ream them out on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get posted by the school given the expletive laden nature of it. I don't know that many of us who weren't in the car listening to 97.9 playing it live after Mora's quick post-game and then closing of the locker room so they couldn't get any player interviews. Either that or post-prod to bleep the expletives is taking longer than expected.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get posted by the school given the expletive laden nature of it. I don't know that many of us who weren't in the car listening to 97.9 playing it live after Mora's quick post-game and then closing of the locker room so they couldn't get any player interviews. Either that or post-prod to bleep the expletives is taking longer than expected.
Amore wrote a courant article that's basically a transcript...
 
1. Visiting teams supplying the officials in non-conference games has been standard practice forever.
2. We don't have conference officials to hire.
3. Getting another conference to supply officials to all of our games would be difficult to impossible because the already have conference games or non-conference away games assigned to those crews. See item #1.

It was a terrible missed call from a crew that will deal with Wake far more frequently than UConn. Whether intentional or not, we can't be in that position where it matters against what is a terrible ACC team that needs the win to be bowl eligible. Which means more money to the ACC.

Life isn't fair, overcome it.
 
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My final thought (day after):

No call was one of the worst ever. It literally decided the game, given the time on the clock and UConn's time outs.

Back to the bad spot. I go with my eyes. I'm watching on a big TV. Camera clearly shows the receiver reaching over the "line to gain". My brain goes to 1st down. So did the announcers. PA calls it a first down. UConn is in a hurry up. They aren't standing around like its the 2nd drive of the game. Horrible spot. Possibly a legit bad read by the official. But, I can't blame the UConn team and coaches for playing it like it's 1st and 10. The only 3 people on the planet that knew it was 3rd and 1 were the side judge and the 2 guys holding the chains and that's only because the judge told one of them not to move.

So, the next step is to continue to move the program forward and make joining the BIG 1o, where they'll continue to see bad calls against them if they're playing on of the original 10 (ask Nebraska fans what it's like to be a newcomer) or the Big 12 and hope they don't implode.

And send a nice note to the ACC and ask them just how happy they are with their choice to go with BC. :p
 
There were plenty of Wake Forest fans at the game. But there were a couple guys in row 7 in front of us, Section 200, who had flown out of Greenville, SC, to Hartford and taken an Uber to the Rent. No Wake regalia on. My antenna went up talking to them but nothing was divulged. One guy said nothing and the other said that he had seen Wake a couple times this year but had not seen UConn yet. Also that he was aware that Jim Mora had once coached the Falcons. They seemed impressed by the band's playing of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. It surprised them. The comment: "Wow." Gotta say that it IS an impressive part of the band's routine.
Are you sure it was a good wow lol
 
Lots of whining about the refs but we played an awful game on offense and didn't deserve to win.

Our ceiling is capped with Evers as the QB going forward. Its just too hard to put up points when you can't hit big plays downfield. You're forced to execute long drives and have very little margin for error.

Not saying Evers was the reason we lost, he made some nice throws in 4Q, but maybe we're good enough to beat the dregs of fbs but that's about it.
You know what they say about opinions.

Yes the game plan could have been better but again the refs should never and I mean never decide the outcome of a game and they did just that yesterday
 
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