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UConnNick said:
Maybe some people would, but I for one am not willing to characterize the past three years as "bad". The first was clearly an under achieving season true, I'll grant you that one, but the second of those three was a finish in the top 32 teams in the country, and this most recent season is a complete wash as far as I'm concerned because John Wooden could have been coaching the team and we probably finish out about the way we did. We suffered
a horrendous number of injuries, both early and throughout the season.

I view it as two fantastic seasons, one disappointing one, one sort of neutral, average year, maybe not up to UConn standards but by no means the total disaster it's being portrayed as, and one WTF throwaway season that doesn't even count in the grand scheme of things as far as I'm concerned. What did anyone reasonably expect to happen after we lose Larrier, Gilbert and Diarra for all or virtually the entire year, and a few other players for fairly significant stretches along the rest of the way? We suited up six scholarship players for a three week period, I believe it was.

Ollie may not be the best coach in the world, and maybe he needs to be replaced sometime in the near or more distant future, I don't know. What I do know is I'm not going to throw him under the bus right now based on one subpar season out of five, in my view, keeping in mind that I don't even count the season that just ended, because again, Wooden wouldn't have done any better with what we had to work with. To argue otherwise means you have to accept that Ollie should have taken us to the NCAAs with what, six or seven scholarship players for most of the season, and we should always make it to the Sweet 16 every single year? If that's the standard, you folks are going to be in for a fair amount of disappointment, whether Ollie or anybody else is our coach.
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Have you considered that he just hasn't been the same guy over the last three seasons?
 
JMick said:
Have you considered that he just hasn't been the same guy over the last three seasons?
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Absolutely. I agree with you one hundred percent on that point. Whether it was the divorce or other factors, who knows? But that still doesn't rise to a level where I think he's only entitled to one more season and he's gone if we fail to make the NCAA Tournament next year. His first two seasons bought him the chance to turn things around. I don't know if he will or he won't, I just think he deserves the chance to. I don't see everything as being a negative right now, and even if I did, he deserves a chance to turn some of those negatives into positives. I actually think he will be here through the remainder of his contract, unless we fall completely off the radar. I'm not saying I'd be on board with that if next season is anything like this past one, but again, let's see what happens.
 
We have people doing a Tale of Two Cities of Ollie before Napier and after Napier, before divorce and after divorce.

None of that matters, what matters is the here and now. Ollie post Napier and post Calhoun recruited players has not been good and his teams have not looked like the dominant teams we have been accustomed to seeing under Calhoun teams/players or anywhere close to that.

Ollie is a new coach again in the sense that he needs to prove to the fans and the basketball world that he can coach, win, and develop players to make the NBA again.

PS: Ollie needs to change his recruiting pitch and sales job. All I hear from potential recruits and their parents is that "he is a respectful man" and he plays through the guards. His moniker should be the tough coach, the cool coach, the winner, not the "respectful coach". His pitch needs to be I am looking for players who are tough, smart, and want to work hard to win titles and make the NBA. Come play against the best and beat the best at UCONN. Look at out history and pedigree and all the NBA players we produce. I am recruiting you because I think you can potentially join that list, etc.
 
Mau,
Like the way the morally inferior have hijacked your thread? Pretty much the same three complainers who hijack every thread.
We could ignore them and discuss UConn basketball. It would be novel and I'm really tired of hearing how much I love UConn's current situation.
David
PS I really like this Studfellow guy.
 
UConnNick said:
Absolutely. I agree with you one hundred percent on that point. Whether it was the divorce or other factors, who knows? But that still doesn't rise to a level where I think he's only entitled to one more season and he's gone if we fail to make the NCAA Tournament next year. His first two seasons bought him the chance to turn things around. I don't know if he will or he won't, I just think he deserves the chance to. I don't see everything as being a negative right now, and even if I did, he deserves a chance to turn some of those negatives into positives. I actually think he will be here through the remainder of his contract, unless we fall completely off the radar. I'm not saying I'd be on board with that if next season is anything like this past one, but again, let's see what happens.
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And I'm not saying we fire him if we don't make the tournament, but if we don't finish in the top half of the conference and secure a tournament bid he better have a monster 2018 class lined up and the team needs to have shown improvement throughout the year.
 
David 76 said:
Mau,
Like the way the morally inferior have hijacked your thread? Pretty much the same three complainers who hijack every thread.
We could ignore them and discuss UConn basketball. It would be novel and I'm really tired of hearing how much I love UConn's current situation.
David
PS I really like this Studfellow guy.
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I think calling someone morally inferior because they are mad our basketball coach doesn't have "ten toes in" is a pretty good indicator of what kind of person you are.
 
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JMick said:
I think calling someone morally inferior because they are mad our basketball coach doesn't have "ten toes in" is a pretty good indicator of what kind of person you are.
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Just paraphrasing you guys. It was a joke. My morals are pretty good though.
I appreciate your above statement on what is acceptable for next year. One of the other guys insisted on the sweet 16 above. That is crazy given we have 2 guys with any experience playing for UConn
 
Stairmaster said:
Worse than SFA, Middle Tennessee, and Tulsa?

You either have no idea what you're talking about, or you're a bald-faced liar. If I were an anti-KO poster, I'd be beyond embarrassed by you.

And to think people ask me why I give negative posters a hard time - it's because sometimes they just make up BS and spout it without any disrection. What makes it worse is you guys believe every word of his just because it confirms your own biases.
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Yeah dude, I just pulled those schools out of thin air...

UConn #76
Stephen F Austin #74
Depaul #73
Mid Tenn St. #72
UTEP #70
Tulsa #67

2017 Basketball Recruiting Composite Team Rankings

You're a clown.
 
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upstater said:
Funny too that a similar thing was said about the Napier, Giffey, Roscoe Smith, Olander class. Just dreadful.
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Who was ragging on the 2010 recruits? They were a top-25 class.
 
David 76 said:
Gee, I know I don't post too often but I thought the quality of my posts made up for it.

My father thinks I should move to another message where I will be used correctly
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Hey i didnt put myself on 1st team!! I have 10 toes in....do you?
 
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UCDaveD said:
Yeah dude, I just pulled those schools out of thin air...

UConn #76
Stephen F Austin #74
Depaul #73
Mid Tenn St. #72
UTEP #70
Tulsa #67

2017 Basketball Recruiting Composite Team Rankings

You're a clown.
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Why am I surprised you chose to use rankings that are absolute horse dung? Come on man, do your research.

SFA has one HS recruit in the Top 350. I have no idea why one JUCO PG puts them ahead of us. DePaul has only one commit in the Top 200 as well. Neither of UTEP's freshman are even Top 300, 247 just weights their JUCO commit way too heavily.

Furthermore, 247 has the lowest rankings for Polley and Whaley out of any of the major services. Polley is a 4-star player on 2 out of the 3 (ESPN and TOS). Why is he given only 3 here?

The kicker is that they don't even have Cobb listed as a commit. Given how much undue weight they put on JUCO players, you'd have to be deranged to think that factoring him in doesn't push us way ahead of these schools. Either way, you can't take any rankings seriously that don't include the full class. Even if you don't think Cobb moves the needle, which -- if you pay any attention to how 247 values ranked JUCO players in their rankings -- is clearly not the case.

Some other gems from the 247 list: South Dakota State is ranked ahead of Notre Dame. You're telling me you'd take SDSU's class of low-major kids over D.J. Harvey? 247 thinks quantity measures a lot more than quality. I don't give a crap if UTEP handed out scholarships to 6 kids with only mid-majors offers, and we only beat out legit competition (Polley-Pitt, OK State, Tennessee, Dayton, Carlton-Clemson and Xavier, Cobb-Texas Tech) for 3. Our class is still better.

Bottom line, you saw information that confirmed your emotionally motivated bias, applied zero critical thinking, and ran with it. Now you know how disingenuous you are. Do better next time and actually bring something to the table.
 
Stairmaster said:
Why am I surprised you chose to use rankings that are absolute horse dung? Come on man, do your research.

SFA has one HS recruit in the Top 350. I have no idea why one JUCO PG puts them ahead of us. DePaul has only one commit in the Top 200 as well. Neither of UTEP's freshman are even Top 300, 247 just weights their JUCO commit way too heavily.

Furthermore, 247 has the lowest rankings for Polley and Whaley out of any of the major services. Polley is a 4-star player on 2 out of the 3 (ESPN and TOS). Why is he given only 3 here?

The kicker is that they don't even have Cobb listed as a commit. Given how much undue weight they put on JUCO players, you'd have to be deranged to think that factoring him in doesn't push us way ahead of these schools. Either way, you can't take any rankings seriously that don't include the full class. Even if you don't think Cobb moves the needle, which -- if you pay any attention to how 247 values ranked JUCO players in their rankings -- is clearly not the case.

Some other gems from the 247 list: South Dakota State is ranked ahead of Notre Dame. You're telling me you'd take SDSU's class of low-major kids over D.J. Harvey? 247 thinks quantity measures a lot more than quality. I don't give a crap if UTEP handed out scholarships to 6 kids with only mid-majors offers, and we only beat out legit competition (Polley-Pitt, OK State, Tennessee, Dayton, Carlton-Clemson and Xavier, Cobb-Texas Tech) for 3. Our class is still better.

Bottom line, you saw information that confirmed your emotionally motivated bias, applied zero critical thinking, and ran with it. Now you know how disingenuous you are. Do better next time and actually bring something to the table.
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you can disagree with the rankings, but the 247 composite is the most referred to class rank
 
JMick said:
you can disagree with the rankings, but the 247 composite is the most referred to class rank
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It may be. For the reasons outlined above, I don't think it should -- unless someone can reasonably refute any of the flaws I pointed out.
 
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Stairmaster said:
Why am I surprised you chose to use rankings that are absolute horse dung? Come on man, do your research.

SFA has one HS recruit in the Top 350. I have no idea why one JUCO PG puts them ahead of us. DePaul has only one commit in the Top 200 as well. Neither of UTEP's freshman are even Top 300, 247 just weights their JUCO commit way too heavily.

Furthermore, 247 has the lowest rankings for Polley and Whaley out of any of the major services. Polley is a 4-star player on 2 out of the 3 (ESPN and TOS). Why is he given only 3 here?

The kicker is that they don't even have Cobb listed as a commit. Given how much undue weight they put on JUCO players, you'd have to be deranged to think that factoring him in doesn't push us way ahead of these schools. Either way, you can't take any rankings seriously that don't include the full class. Even if you don't think Cobb moves the needle, which -- if you pay any attention to how 247 values ranked JUCO players in their rankings -- is clearly not the case.

Some other gems from the 247 list: South Dakota State is ranked ahead of Notre Dame. You're telling me you'd take SDSU's class of low-major kids over D.J. Harvey? 247 thinks quantity measures a lot more than quality. I don't give a crap if UTEP handed out scholarships to 6 kids with only mid-majors offers, and we only beat out legit competition (Polley-Pitt, OK State, Tennessee, Dayton, Carlton-Clemson and Xavier, Cobb-Texas Tech) for 3. Our class is still better.

Bottom line, you saw information that confirmed your emotionally motivated bias, applied zero critical thinking, and ran with it. Now you know how disingenuous you are. Do better next time and actually bring something to the table.
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Actually, bottom line is you called me a liar and I cited my source. Nice try though.

We're so far down the rankings you can't even find our class on ESPN, TOS, USA Today, etc.

I have no interest in your personal evaluations.

Move along now.
 
Stairmaster said:
It may be. For the reasons outlined above, I don't think it should -- unless someone can reasonably refute any of the flaws I pointed out.
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the flaw is that we're not even in the top 50 and that's not 247's fault lol
 
UCDaveD said:
Who was ragging on the 2010 recruits? They were a top-25 class.
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I hope you're joking. The Napier class was vilified on here. Not that I thought it was a good class myself. The talk on here was that it was the worst big class in decades. (i.e. we weren't comparing it to Donnell Beverly).

Olander, Bradley, Giffey--did nothing for people. Napier was going to be an OK Austrie type. We were thrilled Roscoe Smith verballed, because otherwise, coming off that 2010 season with that 2011 incoming class, we were expecting the absolute worst.
 
David 76 said:
Mau,
Like the way the morally inferior have hijacked your thread? Pretty much the same three complainers who hijack every thread.
We could ignore them and discuss UConn basketball. It would be novel and I'm really tired of hearing how much I love UConn's current situation.
David
PS I really like this Studfellow guy.
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They're not worth the time any more David76. People who enjoy to pounce on the negative and never waiver amaze me.
 
mauconnfan said:
They're not worth the time any more David76. People who enjoy to pounce on the negative and never waiver amaze me.
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I think it's nice that you've made new friends.
 
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