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I'm not asking anyone to do that, everyone is free to have their own beliefs. I just don't see how they profit from this. And if they really are hiding something, then a lot of people are going to have to answer for it, and their business is going to take a hit. I just think now that the light is shining on this, it makes more financial sense to play by the rules, not go against them. They will not get off easily the next time there is litigation. They have to be aware of that.
They don’t. Nobody tuned in last night for Tua, he’s not a star. Few players are tv attractions. They tuned in because a 3-0 team was facing last years AFC champions. But did the Dolphins, finally winning after decades as a poor to mediocre team, feel pressure? Probably. Does he play if Miami is 1-2? Maybe not.
 
I'm not asking anyone to do that, everyone is free to have their own beliefs. I just don't see how they profit from this.

You don't see how the NFL profits from having a 3-0 starting QB on the field vs last years AFC champs?

You can agree or disagree with what happened. Seems purposefully obtuse to act like there's no financial incentive for him to play.
 
They don’t. Nobody tuned in last night for Tua, he’s not a star. Few players are tv attractions. They tuned in because a 3-0 team was facing last years AFC champions. But did the Dolphins, finally winning after decades as a poor to mediocre team, feel pressure? Probably. Does he play if Miami is 1-2? Maybe not.
See, we agree. Mostly, anyway. It has been said in this thread that people tune in to see Tua. I don't believe that, I completely agree that when it comes to football, there are very few players who move the needle in terms of actually tuning in. People watch these games for a ton of reasons, even if they aren't football fans and just "event" fans. I don't really buy into Miami feeling pressure though. They know they benefit more with Tua on the field for the long haul, than for some short term gratification. He is a guy who has gotten hurt every year. If anything, I imagine they would be trying to protect him as they finally seem to have a coach who can get the most out of him.
 
They need to scrap these Thursday games or give each team a bye week beforehand, especially now there are 17 games. But the NFL doesn't actually care about player safety, they only care about the all-ighty ollar

The players also like the money
 
This upset me as well. I was wondering what Tua was doing with his fingers. After a while I believe a OL stopped him. I heard that his reaction was a fencing response which is done when the brain shuts down. I am just listening to the Steve Gorman Show so I could be totally wrong. Here is a link describing that:

 
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It's a sin that the richest and most dangerous professional sport in America doesn't have guaranteed player contracts. Look at running backs. Guys are 27 and considered old and expendable. Fresh legs out of college are cheap and can replace them. Mind boggling that the NFLPA hasn't fought for and won guaranteed contracts. The owners got them to play extra games too. The players might as well be live stock the way they are treated. It's laughable to hear the NFL promoting all they're doing for player safety.
 
You don't see how the NFL profits from having a 3-0 starting QB on the field vs last years AFC champs?

You can agree or disagree with what happened. Seems purposefully obtuse to act like there's no financial incentive for him to play.
If Tedy started it would have no impact on ratings. Honestly, until the win over the Bills many people expected Tua to be drafted over soon and replaced. That has no impact on this except to suggest, as I said, the Dolphins, not the NFL are the interested party here.
 
It's a sin that the richest and most dangerous professional sport in America doesn't have guaranteed player contracts. Look at running backs. Guys are 27 and considered old and expendable. Fresh legs out of college are cheap and can replace them. Mind boggling that the NFLPA hasn't fought for and won guaranteed contracts. The owners got them to play extra games too. The players might as well be live stock the way they are treated. It's laughable to hear the NFL promoting all they're doing for player safety.
They are starting to get there. I heard Drew Rosenhaus on the radio a few weeks back talking about how they have been getting contracts that are as high as 80 percent guaranteed. I don’t believe that every contract should be 100 percent guaranteed though. You have to have some ability to be able to move on when someone simply can't live up to the money in my opinion. As for safety, it's silly to ignore the advances in equipment, training, the rule changes, etc. The issue is that this is a game with an insane amount of contact, and it always will be. The one thing I am really against are the Thursday games, but it seems like all parties involved have accepted them, so that's on them.
 
They need to detail the mistakes that he made. I think it should also be explained why none of this was an issue until after Tua got himself smashed in the Cincy game. They had 4 days to review what happened if they were so alarmed by the Buffalo game, but it seems that they didn't think about it until after the Cincy game. It makes you wonder if the NFLPA looks at any concussion situations where players are cleared to return. I'd like to hear about the "hostility" on the part of the consultant as well. Hopefully they live up to their statements to make it all public when this investigation is done.
 
They need to detail the mistakes that he made. I think it should also be explained why none of this was an issue until after Tua got himself smashed in the Cincy game. They had 4 days to review what happened if they were so alarmed by the Buffalo game, but it seems that they didn't think about it until after the Cincy game. It makes you wonder if the NFLPA looks at any concussion situations where players are cleared to return. I'd like to hear about the "hostility" on the part of the consultant as well. Hopefully they live up to their statements to make it all public when this investigation is done.
Wrong yet again, this investigation was announced before the Cincinnati game ever happened

 
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It's a sin that the richest and most dangerous professional sport in America doesn't have guaranteed player contracts. Look at running backs. Guys are 27 and considered old and expendable. Fresh legs out of college are cheap and can replace them. Mind boggling that the NFLPA hasn't fought for and won guaranteed contracts. The owners got them to play extra games too. The players might as well be live stock the way they are treated. It's laughable to hear the NFL promoting all they're doing for player safety.
The injuries are exactly the reasons the contracts aren’t guaranteed. In baseball, those massive contracts are all insurable. I don’t know exactly how it works, but I know the Sox aren’t crying that Sale has been injured so frequently….,.at least they are getting some return on his awful contract.

We all know none of these massive contracts make sense. But they certainly don’t make sense if there is a high likelihood the player will never be able to honor it due to injury and the team can’t insure itself against same.
 
Wrong yet again, this investigation was announced before the Cincinnati game ever happened


Ok, they started it Tuesday or Wednesday after they got some heat. It's good that is the case. Now I hope they tell us what the mistakes were, if this guy worked again, and why this didn't happen earlier. Make all the information public so we have a clear understanding of it all. We can all have our conspiracies if we want. Mine says that if Tua throws the ball away on that play, never gets hit and goes out of the game, that this consultant is still working and we aren't hearing any of this. As I continue to say, give us all the facts so we all know how it all happened.
 
They need to detail the mistakes that he made. I think it should also be explained why none of this was an issue until after Tua got himself smashed in the Cincy game. They had 4 days to review what happened if they were so alarmed by the Buffalo game, but it seems that they didn't think about it until after the Cincy game. It makes you wonder if the NFLPA looks at any concussion situations where players are cleared to return. I'd like to hear about the "hostility" on the part of the consultant as well. Hopefully they live up to their statements to make it all public when this investigation is done.

You're trying really, really hard to be a contrarian and it just isn't working my man. History is simply not on your side here.
 
Mine says that if Tua throws the ball away on that play, never gets hit and goes out of the game, that this consultant is still working and we aren't hearing any of this.

If I took a nap instead of telling my wife her sister is an entitled b****, I wouldn't be sleeping on the couch.

Ya... if you don't do the thing that gets you in trouble, you don't get in trouble. No duh.
 
Ok, they started it Tuesday or Wednesday after they got some heat. It's good that is the case. Now I hope they tell us what the mistakes were, if this guy worked again, and why this didn't happen earlier. Make all the information public so we have a clear understanding of it all. We can all have our conspiracies if we want. Mine says that if Tua throws the ball away on that play, never gets hit and goes out of the game, that this consultant is still working and we aren't hearing any of this. As I continue to say, give us all the facts so we all know how it all happened.
I know math is hard for you, but that tweet is from Sunday at 5 PM. They announced an investigation an hour after the game ended
 
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You're trying really, really hard to be a contrarian and it just isn't working my man. History is simply not on your side here.
It's not about being contrarian, it's about wanting all the info so that we know it is being handled properly.
 
I know math is hard for you, but that tweet is from Sunday at 5 PM. They announced an investigation an hour after the game ended
God, I read it as the 28th. Sue me, fire me, hang me, whatever. If it makes you feel better to be insulting, have at it.
 
I’m not a doctor and I don’t work for the Dolphins so I can’t say he had a concussion 5 days ago when his legs buckled after he got up after a hit where it looked pretty clearly like his head bounced off the ground and he had to be helped off by his teammates . . . but that _____ tonight was gross. Prayers for the kid. Just brutal to watch.
You’re right, he had a concussion against the Bills when his legs buckled. This was a second impact.

Although true second impact syndrome can be catastrophic, it‘s actually more common for it simply to be the case that the second concussion, even if from less trauma, has more severe and prolonged symptoms and a longer recovery.
 
My wife the lawyer says there were a lot of grown men who watched Tua get concussed the first time and they didn't need a doctor to tell them that they needed to make a big boy decision to not let him play days later. Hmmm
 
My wife the lawyer says there were a lot of grown men who watched Tua get concussed the first time and they didn't need a doctor to tell them that they needed to make a big boy decision to not let him play days later. Hmmm
So when I added that this was a business decision her response was of course that it wasn't a very good business decision was it?
 
My wife the lawyer says there were a lot of grown men who watched Tua get concussed the first time and they didn't need a doctor to tell them that they needed to make a big boy decision to not let him play days later. Hmmm
It was 100% a head injury, had all the symptoms you see from a head injury. It's really bad the Dolphins and Tua (not his fault) pretended he had a back injury and that the NFL doctor cleared him. It shows the NFL still isn't at all serious about this stuff. This story isn't going to go away.
 
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If I took a nap instead of telling my wife her sister is an entitled b****, I wouldn't be sleeping on the couch.

Ya... if you don't do the thing that gets you in trouble, you don't get in trouble. No duh.
I’m ready for the OT thread on this situation with the wife’s sister!
 
It was 100% a head injury, had all the symptoms you see from a head injury. It's really bad the Dolphins and Tua (not his fault) pretended he had a back injury and that the NFL doctor cleared him. It shows the NFL still isn't at all serious about this stuff. This story isn't going to go away.
He actually does have a back injury. He got bent backwards and rolled up on during a QB sneak. It looked like one of those plays where a lineman gets rolled up on and ends up having an injured knee. When I saw the play I figured that was his "injury for the season". Everything else in the Buffalo game is up for investigation, but his back did get dinged up on top of it all.
 
He actually does have a back injury. He got bent backwards and rolled up on during a QB sneak. It looked like one of those plays where a lineman gets rolled up on and ends up having an injured knee. When I saw the play I figured that was his "injury for the season". Everything else in the Buffalo game is up for investigation, but his back did get dinged up on top of it all.
Whether or not he has a back injury too is not relevant to the play in question. He literally shakes his head to try to get the cobwebs out, then can’t maintain balance.
 
He actually does have a back injury. He got bent backwards and rolled up on during a QB sneak. It looked like one of those plays where a lineman gets rolled up on and ends up having an injured knee. When I saw the play I figured that was his "injury for the season". Everything else in the Buffalo game is up for investigation, but his back did get dinged up on top of it all.
The play we're all talking about was a head injury, they tried to play it off as a back injury.
 
The play we're all talking about was a head injury, they tried to play it off as a back injury.
I'm just stating the fact that he actually did hurt his back. It's just another one to add to his, sadly, growing list of injuries he has taken since college. Everything else aside, I fear that he is just a small guy playing a game that will be too damaging for him.
 
I'm just stating the fact that he actually did hurt his back. It's just another one to add to his, sadly, growing list of injuries he has taken since college. Everything else aside, I fear that he is just a small guy playing a game that will be too damaging for him.
And I'm just stating the fact he had a head injury on the play against the Bills we're all talking about and the team and Tua tried to play it off as a back injury.

He never should've returned to that game after the head injury and never should've played on Thursday because of the head injury.
 
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