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DefenseBB said:
Color me skeptical on any mid-major player actually contributing on a good P5 team. I don't have such great memories of Natalie or Evelyn really contributing and really can't think of any other school who added a mid-major player that proved they belonged. What am I missing?
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It didn't actually happen but I'd wager that Jonquel Jones, a GW grad, would have helped UConn.
 
Alydar said:
what then is the Big East if not a mid-major?
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We're officially guilty of thread drift at this point, but briefly:

Where is it written that every conference has to be classified as either "power five" or "mid-major"?

The term "mid-major" has no official meaning or definition. It's just one of those arbitrary labels propagated for convenience (or for PR purposes) by the media. With that caveat, the Big East and AAC are generally not classified as "mid-majors" by sports media outlets. There's a long and tedious history behind it all, but that's the takeaway.
 
Plebe said:
We're officially guilty of thread drift at this point, but briefly:

Where is it written that every conference has to be classified as either "power five" or "mid-major"?

The term "mid-major" has no official meaning or definition. It's just one of those arbitrary labels propagated for convenience (or for PR purposes) by the media. With that caveat, the Big East and AAC are generally not classified as "mid-majors" by sports media outlets. There's a long and tedious history behind it all, but that's the takeaway.
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Correct. Just because a conference is not a "power 5" does not mean it's a mid-major. The Big East has never been considered a mid-major.
 
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The BE was not classified as a Mid-Major because until it broke up it included: Uconn, ND, Syracuse, WV, Louisville, Rutgers, Va Tech, Pitt, BC, and Miami. All of those teams are now in one of the P5 except Uconn.

The AAC and the new BigEast only claim to not being a mid-major really rest on Uconn Women's BB - otherwise the AAC is comprised of mostly schools who joined from other mid-majors and the BE is non-football schools. So while our discussions concerning WCBB allow us to claim a top 5 (and the most storied) program, and pretend our league is a big deal, in reality we are just one of the 'other conferences' that are not P5.
 
UcMiami said:
The AAC and the new BigEast only claim to not being a mid-major really rest on Uconn Women's BB - otherwise the AAC is comprised of mostly schools who joined from other mid-majors and the BE is non-football schools. So while our discussions concerning WCBB allow us to claim a top 5 (and the most storied) program, and pretend our league is a big deal, in reality we are just one of the 'other conferences' that are not P5.
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I don't quite agree. First of all, you've neglected to include Cincinnati and South Florida (and arguably Temple) as Big East football schools. Secondly, these labels are historically driven by football and men's basketball, not women's basketball or other sports.
 
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UcMiami said:
Drift, but ...
The BE was not classified as a Mid-Major because until it broke up it included: Uconn, ND, Syracuse, WV, Louisville, Rutgers, Va Tech, Pitt, BC, and Miami. All of those teams are now in one of the P5 except Uconn.

The AAC and the new BigEast only claim to not being a mid-major really rest on Uconn Women's BB - otherwise the AAC is comprised of mostly schools who joined from other mid-majors and the BE is non-football schools. So while our discussions concerning WCBB allow us to claim a top 5 (and the most storied) program, and pretend our league is a big deal, in reality we are just one of the 'other conferences' that are not P5.
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Plebe said:
I don't quite agree. First of all, you've neglected to include Cincinnati and South Florida (and arguably Temple) as Big East football schools. Secondly, these labels are historically driven by football and men's basketball, not women's basketball or other sports.
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Yeah, it pains me to say this but if you're basing "P5" and "mid-major" status on quality of basketball results, then the Big East is more P5 than the Pac-12 is, at least in Men's basketball. The Big East has more championships in the past 5 years than the PAC-12 has in the past 25...
 
Plebe said:
We're officially guilty of thread drift at this point, but briefly:

Where is it written that every conference has to be classified as either "power five" or "mid-major"?

The term "mid-major" has no official meaning or definition. It's just one of those arbitrary labels propagated for convenience (or for PR purposes) by the media. With that caveat, the Big East and AAC are generally not classified as "mid-majors" by sports media outlets. There's a long and tedious history behind it all, but that's the takeaway.
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Yes, I don't think I've ever seen the Big East or AAC called a mid-major, and they certainly shouldn't be. Their expenditures for basketball are multiples of a true mid-major.
 
The Big East is more than a mid-major, true. But not Power 5. It is true that these are arbitrary categories, but - from a sheer financial point of view (at least pre-current events) - the playing fields are different for the schools so-called Power 5 and the schools not.

Mid-major is a sneaky term, how do you qualify "mid-major" from not even that notable? The WAC isn't the Big West which isn't the WCC. Which isn't the Mountain West. In the east, how could you compare the MAAC or MEAC with the A10 or CAA?

The American is a whole different thing. It is one of the "Group of Five" football conferences. But without UConn, if you want to say it isn't a mid-major, that's fine - but how many teams do you anticipate them getting in the tourney (men's, women's).
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
The Big East is more than a mid-major, true. But not Power 5. It is true that these are arbitrary categories, but - from a sheer financial point of view (at least pre-current events) - the playing fields are different for the schools so-called Power 5 and the schools not.

Mid-major is a sneaky term, how do you qualify "mid-major" from not even that notable? The WAC isn't the Big West which isn't the WCC. Which isn't the Mountain West. In the east, how could you compare the MAAC or MEAC with the A10 or CAA?

The American is a whole different thing. It is one of the "Group of Five" football conferences. But without UConn, if you want to say it isn't a mid-major, that's fine - but how many teams do you anticipate them getting in the tourney (men's, women's).
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"Mid major" may be arbitrary, but "Power 5" isn't. SEC, B1G, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC are the 5 conferences who threatened to leave the NCAA if they didn't get their way (control their own football revenue rather than have it administered through the NCAA). They make up half of the 10 "FBS" conferences (Football Bowl Subdivision). The other 5 FBS conferences are the "Group of Five", which includes the Mountain West. FBS also includes a few independents like ND & Army.

This is all about football and only football. Mid major, high major, etc., are most often used for men's basketball, are not so clearly defined, and can overlap with P5 and G5 football schools. But being a P5 football school is hugely impactful on the revenue available to support basketball, especially women's basketball.
 
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KnightBridgeAZ said:
The Big East is more than a mid-major, true. But not Power 5. It is true that these are arbitrary categories, but - from a sheer financial point of view (at least pre-current events) - the playing fields are different for the schools so-called Power 5 and the schools not.

Mid-major is a sneaky term, how do you qualify "mid-major" from not even that notable? The WAC isn't the Big West which isn't the WCC. Which isn't the Mountain West. In the east, how could you compare the MAAC or MEAC with the A10 or CAA?

The American is a whole different thing. It is one of the "Group of Five" football conferences. But without UConn, if you want to say it isn't a mid-major, that's fine - but how many teams do you anticipate them getting in the tourney (men's, women's).
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For those who don’t follow the general board, Shakira Austin signed w/ Ole Miss.
 
DeeHusky said:
I guess Yolette was the only one who promised Austin that she’d be a guard
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In Coach Yo’s defense she is taking the chances she needs to take to get players. She also signed top twenty player Madison Scott who none of the top programs would touch due to her attitude.
 
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DeeHusky said:
I was just literally about to ask. WTH???!!
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Some feel it's better to be a big fish in a small pond. I don't know how this helps her advance her game, beyond playing point forward on a mediocre team. The team was 7-23 last year. How does averaging 16 points on a 10-20 team help her draft status?
 
JordyG said:
Some feel it's better to be a big fish in a small pond. I don't know how this helps her advance her game, beyond playing point forward on a mediocre team. The team was 7-23 last year. How does averaging 16 points on a 10-20 team help her draft status?
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Mediocre is a pretty generous descriptor. Ole Miss was probably the first "power conference" team to ever finish outside the top 300 of the RPI.
 
Austin headed to basketball obscurity. We won’t hear much from or about her until 2 or 3 years from now in the second round of the draft. JMO
 
militarydog said:
In Coach Yo’s defense she is taking the chances she needs to take to get players. She also signed top twenty player Madison Scott who none of the top programs would touch due to her attitude.
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Madison and Shakira are both from the same general area and probably know each other.
 
JordyG said:
Some feel it's better to be a big fish in a small pond. I don't know how this helps her advance her game, beyond playing point forward on a mediocre team. The team was 7-23 last year. How does averaging 16 points on a 10-20 team help her draft status?
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but a big fish in a desert. :confused:
 
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Plebe said:
Mediocre is a pretty generous descriptor. Ole Miss was probably the first "power conference" team to ever finish outside the top 300 of the RPI.
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Austin is almost good enough to make them mediocre. That is, if everything falls perfectly into place.
 
MDoggie said:
Austin headed to basketball obscurity. We won’t hear much from or about her until 2 or 3 years from now in the second round of the draft. JMO
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If she has to sit out a year after transferring, she can grad transfer her last year back to a contender.
 
militarydog said:
In Coach Yo’s defense she is taking the chances she needs to take to get players. She also signed top twenty player Madison Scott who none of the top programs would touch due to her attitude.
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A page right out of CViv's playbook? :rolleyes:
 
So it looks like we are getting zero out of this transfer group unless someone new gets in. So much for Geno telling Rebecca that they were talking to some kids and we should know in a couple weeks..... Looks like the talking didn't go well.
 
lebronfan23 said:
A lot of hate about Austin going to Ole Miss
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I don’t know that it’s hate. But there certainly is a good amount of incredulity when one of the top players in her class transfers from an elite program like MD, where she had been successful to one of the worst D1 programs in the country in a place where she has no geographic connection.
 
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