Transfer Thread Pt 2.....

[CBus13]

Last year when I was tracking transfers I came across at least 1, and am pretty sure I’ve heard of 1 or 2 since then. All fairly obscure though so I can’t remember any names.

Recent WNBA draftee Loryn Goodwin from Oklahoma State went to 4 schools. Started North Texas with Karen Aston, then Aston left for UT before she suited up, but was Sun Belt Freshmen of the Year. Then transferred to Butler, but that coaching staff was let go after some claims of verbal abuse arose before she suited up. She said the new coaching staff played a style of offense that didn't mesh with her skillset, so she then transferred to UT-San Antonio, where she became Conference USA Newcomer of the Year, and applied for an extra year of eligibility and was granted it but UTSA did not have her chosen masters major after graduating so she transferred to Oklahoma State, where she won Big-12 Newcomer of the Year and was 1st Team all Big-12.

That's the most prominent and recent four school player I could think of.

 

[Charliebball]

Not sure if one event led to the other. They are completely different players as Chou is more of a perimeter shooter, while I believe Chloe Jackson is someone who drives to the basket to get her short-range shots.

Not sure if it was based personnel, but it seemed like Mulkey tried to play the 6'2 Chou at shooting guard, and she really couldn't guard laterally. I thought she'd be better suited for small forward, but I guess Cohen had that spot nailed down. Compared to Baylor's incoming freshmen wing players, I think Chou is just too one-dimensional offensively to fend them off, and not as good on defense.

Chou is a nice shooter and might be successful in the right system but she can't create her own shot and just isn't athletic enough to be a reliable defender..................I hope that this time she chooses a program that can fully take advantage of her capabilities

 

[Charliebball]

 

[Vowelguy]

Note that in that top 25, just 1 player is within 750 miles of Storrs. And she was in MD's backyard.

Just another reason to be skeptical of the post-Geno era.

 

[biobioprof]

They are point guards. A&M fans have stated that Danni didn't slide to the point for them.

Maybe someone else, but I thought I posted earler that she slid to the point for us but not to the 3. In any case, Danni played some PG the past 2 seasons.

 

[Vowelguy]

Not sure if one event led to the other. They are completely different players as Chou is more of a perimeter shooter, while I believe Chloe Jackson is someone who drives to the basket to get her short-range shots.

You're unlikely to get a perfect match in the grad-transfer market. But with Jackson they've got someone capable of starting, meaning no frosh has to.
And Chou's departure means the logjam isn't quite as bad as it seemed.

Now, you've got likely starters:
Morris (So) - Jackson (Sr) - Juicy (Jr) - Cox (Jr) - Kalani (Sr)
+ 3 likely impact frosh
+ Egbo (Fr) & Richards (So)
+ other Frosh & 2 So

 

[CocoHusky]

Was UConn recruiting her at one time?

There were several folks on this board who were salivating over getting her.

I don't know remember being among those salivating but UCONN evaluated 4 players at the SG/W position for 2016 class: Sabrina Ionescu, Natalie Chou, Kelly Jekot, and Jocelyn Willoughby.
This was before many of us found out Sabrina was not coming east. There was one poster @bruinbball (maybe) begging UCONN to take a look at Tyasha Harris & Molly bent was the other guard that came in with Crystal in that 2016 class. I would have been OK with Chou coming to UCONN.

 

[DallasBUFan]

I wish her best I liked her, but she didn't seem to quite fit the system. I suspect she will announced where she will be attending soon.

 

[DefenseBB]

Well, Texas is looking even better now.

Is Karen still the coach?...not really worried.

 

[DefenseBB]

Donalddoowap and skilz do not think Texas has a good coach. Let me remind you that you only beat us by 4 points this year, and we were ahead the majority of the game. It's only a matter of time. (I expect Danni Williams to start. She fits a hole we need filling.)

Karen can flat out recruit but the team does not improve and has NO offensive identity. Add in the fact Holmes wants to dribble the full court length and take ill advised shots and is continually in poor condition when she could be a beast so yes, I don’t think Karen is the best tactician. Didn’t Texas have the most McDonald All-Americans on their roster of all WCBB teams this past year? She under achieved...

 

[Plebe]

TAMU should ban her for life from ever standing foot on their campus again..... and they should put her diploma in the mail.

Actually I think A&M automatically revokes the diploma in this situation.

 

[shizam]

Recent WNBA draftee Loryn Goodwin from Oklahoma State went to 4 schools. Started North Texas with Karen Aston, then Aston left for UT before she suited up, but was Sun Belt Freshmen of the Year. Then transferred to Butler, but that coaching staff was let go after some claims of verbal abuse arose before she suited up. She said the new coaching staff played a style of offense that didn't mesh with her skillset, so she then transferred to UT-San Antonio, where she became Conference USA Newcomer of the Year, and applied for an extra year of eligibility and was granted it but UTSA did not have her chosen masters major after graduating so she transferred to Oklahoma State, where she won Big-12 Newcomer of the Year and was 1st Team all Big-12.

That's the most prominent and recent four school player I could think of.

Very cool GOODWIN ended up excelling at a power 5 school after ALL OF THAT. What a player!! I had no idea Anston coached at N. Texas. Good knowledge.

 

[triaddukefan]

Very cool GOODWIN ended up excelling at a power 5 school after ALL OF THAT. What a player!! I had no idea Anston coached at N. Texas. Good knowledge.

She was successful at Charlotte before that.

 

[bballnut90]

Quite a list so far of transfers, almost 50% of the top 30. What's worth noting though is outside of Boley and Slocum, none of the transfers were impact players at their first school. McCoy was a strong presence for OSU but not sure about her outlook with her health issues. In 2013, almost all of the top recruits either RS or transferred, and there were many high impact freshman from that class.

 

[Charliebball]

 

[donalddoowop]

Donalddoowap and skilz do not think Texas has a good coach. Let me remind you that you only beat us by 4 points this year, and we were ahead the majority of the game. It's only a matter of time. (I expect Danni Williams to start. She fits a hole we need filling.)

How did they do come NCAA Tournament time with all those high school AA? With the talent they have and have had, Texas should have accomplished more than they have accomplished, imo. Some weak teams play Uconn close.

 

[DefenseBB]

How did they do come NCAA Tournament time with all those high school AA? With the talent they have and have had, Texas should have accomplished more than they have accomplished, imo. Some weak teams play Uconn close.

Donald, I am on your side on this for most of your views, however, to claim “some weak teams play UConn close” as intimating Texas is weak is wrong. They played their best game of the year AT home against UConn, with good ball movement and solid defense. They did underachieve as noted and Karen needs to get a top offensive assistant coach to help her. “Weak” is not a term I would use.

 

[donalddoowop]

Donald, I am on your side on this for most of your views, however, to claim “some weak teams play UConn close” as intimating Texas is weak is wrong. They played their best game of the year AT home against UConn, with good ball movement and solid defense. They did underachieve as noted and Karen needs to get a top offensive assistant coach to help her. “Weak” is not a term I would use.

I agree. However, I was not referring to Texas as being weak. I was referring to teams such as Tulane, etc. My point was that just because Texas played Uconn close does not mean that they have a good coach. Texas was by no means weak. Maybe I should have said teams with lesser talent than Uconn. Texas seems to have more talent than most teams.

 

[Reypl21]

I agree. However, I was not referring to Texas as being weak. I was referring to teams such as Tulane, etc. My point was that just because Texas played Uconn close does not mean that they have a good coach. Texas was by no means weak. Maybe I should have said teams with lesser talent than Uconn. Texas seems to have more talent than most teams.

Texas has had more McD AA's the past couple of years more than anyone. Yeah, they played UConn close... So why did they lose to Tennessee? Why can't they consistently play good basketball? It's because they don't have a great coach. Give Muffet or Geno her players and you will an NC. Same thing for Mulkey honestly during the Griner era. She should have more than one NC

 

[southie]

Texas has had more McD AA's the past couple of years more than anyone. Yeah, they played UConn close... So why did they lose to Tennessee? Why can't they consistently play good basketball? It's because they don't have a great coach. Give Muffet or Geno her players and you will an NC. Same thing for Mulkey honestly during the Griner era. She should have more than one NC

And, UConn had how many AP All-Americans and WNBA draft picks this year and last year compared to the opponents they matched up with in the Final Four semi-finals? So, despite having the greatest coach of all time, and players having incredible seasons, they fell short of their NCAA tournament seeding and underachieved. That's sports. No team/coach is ever going to meet all fan expectations, and players don't always live up to their high school accolades in college.

 

[DallasBUFan]

Texas has had more McD AA's the past couple of years more than anyone. Yeah, they played UConn close... So why did they lose to Tennessee? Why can't they consistently play good basketball? It's because they don't have a great coach. Give Muffet or Geno her players and you will an NC. Same thing for Mulkey honestly during the Griner era. She should have more than one NC

Note that Griner has only won 1 WNBA Championship since she entered the league in 2013 and has not been an MVP either. So do you blame the coaching or the player? Everyone has to shift these days, so is it fair that from the ages of 18-22 Mulkey could only get that out of her. While in WNBA 23-27 years of age entering this season while playing alongside one of the GOATs has only won 1 national championship. So I think it comes down to the the player or the fact that the we have sooo many talented players and amazing coaches.

 

[MSSportsGuy]

Texas has had more McD AA's the past couple of years more than anyone. Yeah, they played UConn close... So why did they lose to Tennessee? Why can't they consistently play good basketball? It's because they don't have a great coach. Give Muffet or Geno her players and you will an NC. Same thing for Mulkey honestly during the Griner era. She should have more than one NC

To be fair, ND had as many McD AA's in 16-17 and didn't win the NC or even make the FF but Turner's injury made them more vulnerable. TX did underachieve this year based on talent but sometimes team chemistry is off. I'm not saying that Aston is a good coach, the jury is very much still out, but they have recruited well and now it's put up or shut up time in Austin. Dani Williams should fill a hole on the perimeter and the incoming freshmen may give them some needed assistance.

I always wonder when people say Baylor "should" have won more than 1 NC with Griner what year they refer to? In 2010 when Charles and Moore dominated the nation and she was a freshman along with Stanford having it's best team in years? Maybe 2011? Louisville in 2013 was definitely a monumental upset but would/should they have defeated a very good, peaking at the right time UConn team in the finals? This paragraph isn't sarcasm. I'm not president of the Mulkey fan club due to her attitude but to paint her as a bad coach is a little dismissive of what she's done at Baylor.

 

[donalddoowop]

And, UConn had how many AP All-Americans and WNBA draft picks this year and last year compared to the opponents they matched up with in the Final Four semi-finals? So, despite having the greatest coach of all time, and players having incredible seasons, they fell short of their NCAA tournament seeding and underachieved. That's sports. No team/coach is ever going to meet all fan expectations, and players don't always live up to their high school accolades in college.

Uconn at least made the FF the last two seasons. This is the season Texas should make the FF with the talent and experience they have.

 

[bballnut90]

To be fair, ND had as many McD AA's in 16-17 and didn't win the NC or even make the FF but Turner's injury made them more vulnerable. TX did underachieve this year based on talent but sometimes team chemistry is off. I'm not saying that Aston is a good coach, the jury is very much still out, but they have recruited well and now it's put up or shut up time in Austin. Dani Williams should fill a hole on the perimeter and the incoming freshmen may give them some needed assistance.

I always wonder when people say Baylor "should" have won more than 1 NC with Griner what year they refer to? In 2010 when Charles and Moore dominated the nation and she was a freshman along with Stanford having it's best team in years? Maybe 2011? Louisville in 2013 was definitely a monumental upset but would/should they have defeated a very good, peaking at the right time UConn team in the finals? This paragraph isn't sarcasm. I'm not president of the Mulkey fan club due to her attitude but to paint her as a bad coach is a little dismissive of what she's done at Baylor.

2011 and 2013. 2011 they absolutely should have at least made the Final Four, or at least put up a better fight against A&M (a team they beat 3x that year), and in 2013 there was no excuse to not trounce Louisville. Beat Louisville and they have a cake walk to the finals (next games are against Tennessee and Cal) and then the UCONN showdown. If they play UCONN in the finals and lose, you still have a lot more respect for Kim's success with Griner IMO.

For me it wasn't that they didn't make it to the final game but they were handily beat by an inferior team in 2011, and in 2013 they lost in the Sweet 16 to an extremely inferior team. To make just 1 Final Four from 2011-2013 when you have Griner and Sims is a travesty IMO. Kim isn't a bad coach by any means, but she's a far step below the top tier of coaches. She can recruit with the best of them but is not up to par with her ability to make in game adjustments and come up with strong game plans. Vic and Rueck have had zero business beating Baylor the last 3 years.

 

[MSSportsGuy]

2011 and 2013. 2011 they absolutely should have at least made the Final Four, or at least put up a better fight against A&M (a team they beat 3x that year), and in 2013 there was no excuse to not trounce Louisville. Beat Louisville and they have a cake walk to the finals (next games are against Tennessee and Cal) and then the UCONN showdown. If they play UCONN in the finals and lose, you still have a lot more respect for Kim's success with Griner IMO.

For me it wasn't that they didn't make it to the final game but they were handily beat by an inferior team in 2011, and in 2013 they lost in the Sweet 16 to an extremely inferior team. To make just 1 Final Four from 2011-2013 when you have Griner and Sims is a travesty IMO. Kim isn't a bad coach by any means, but she's a far step below the top tier of coaches. She can recruit with the best of them but is not up to par with her ability to make in game adjustments and come up with strong game plans. Vic and Rueck have had zero business beating Baylor the last 3 years.

Thanks for your feedback and I'm not trying to hijack a transfer thread. No doubt both 2011 and 2013 were winnable years for them based on talent. I didn't get to watch much of the 2011 tournament due to a move and job change and remember being surprised at the finals match up. I watched the 2013 game and they were far, far superior to Louisville but it was a lightening in a bottle game for the Cardinals and truly an upset for the ages. Again, I don't care for Kim's attitude she gives off in public but I don't think that makes her a bad coach. Like Texas, Baylor has built up a tremendous level of talent and it's time to put it to use.

 

[skilz]

2011 and 2013. 2011 they absolutely should have at least made the Final Four, or at least put up a better fight against A&M (a team they beat 3x that year), and in 2013 there was no excuse to not trounce Louisville. Beat Louisville and they have a cake walk to the finals (next games are against Tennessee and Cal) and then the UCONN showdown. If they play UCONN in the finals and lose, you still have a lot more respect for Kim's success with Griner IMO.

For me it wasn't that they didn't make it to the final game but they were handily beat by an inferior team in 2011, and in 2013 they lost in the Sweet 16 to an extremely inferior team. To make just 1 Final Four from 2011-2013 when you have Griner and Sims is a travesty IMO. Kim isn't a bad coach by any means, but she's a far step below the top tier of coaches. She can recruit with the best of them but is not up to par with her ability to make in game adjustments and come up with strong game plans. Vic and Rueck have had zero business beating Baylor the last 3 years.

Are you talking about the inferior team in 2011 that beat ND for the Championship, who beat UConn in the Semifinals?? Not sure I'd call them "inferior."

 

[DallasBUFan]

2011 and 2013. 2011 they absolutely should have at least made the Final Four, or at least put up a better fight against A&M (a team they beat 3x that year), and in 2013 there was no excuse to not trounce Louisville. Beat Louisville and they have a cake walk to the finals (next games are against Tennessee and Cal) and then the UCONN showdown. If they play UCONN in the finals and lose, you still have a lot more respect for Kim's success with Griner IMO.

For me it wasn't that they didn't make it to the final game but they were handily beat by an inferior team in 2011, and in 2013 they lost in the Sweet 16 to an extremely inferior team. To make just 1 Final Four from 2011-2013 when you have Griner and Sims is a travesty IMO. Kim isn't a bad coach by any means, but she's a far step below the top tier of coaches. She can recruit with the best of them but is not up to par with her ability to make in game adjustments and come up with strong game plans. Vic and Rueck have had zero business beating Baylor the last 3 years.

So when you have another Top caliber team that you have already beat 3x, it is not easy to beat a 4th. Currently every time we beat Texas I get more nervous. After you play a team twice you know them pretty well. A great example is this years Miss State team. Didn't they loose to South Carolina? Also, UConn handily beat ND with "more talent" this year, but yet lost later in this season. So why is expected to beat a top team 4 times in one year and within weeks of another? I'm sorry, but I totally disagree. BU should have won in 13 however, that game against Louisville was awful!!! Let's see Tenn beat a top 10 team 4x times in a matter of 3-4 months.

Also, it seems hypocritical that we want more parody upsets etc, but when it happens we blame coaches for holding standards. So do we want them to be upset to keep it interesting or all the seeds to when accordingly to their seed?

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Kim isn't a bad coach by any means, but she's a far step below the top tier of coaches. She can recruit with the best of them but is not up to par with her ability to make in game adjustments and come up with strong game plans. Vic and Rueck have had zero business beating Baylor the last 3 years.

Vic had zero business beating UConn in 2017 either so...

 

[Reypl21]

To be fair, ND had as many McD AA's in 16-17 and didn't win the NC or even make the FF but Turner's injury made them more vulnerable. TX did underachieve this year based on talent but sometimes team chemistry is off. I'm not saying that Aston is a good coach, the jury is very much still out, but they have recruited well and now it's put up or shut up time in Austin. Dani Williams should fill a hole on the perimeter and the incoming freshmen may give them some needed assistance.

I always wonder when people say Baylor "should" have won more than 1 NC with Griner what year they refer to? In 2010 when Charles and Moore dominated the nation and she was a freshman along with Stanford having it's best team in years? Maybe 2011? Louisville in 2013 was definitely a monumental upset but would/should they have defeated a very good, peaking at the right time UConn team in the finals? This paragraph isn't sarcasm. I'm not president of the Mulkey fan club due to her attitude but to paint her as a bad coach is a little dismissive of what she's done at Baylor.

Like other posters said, 2011 and 2013. In regards to ND last year, I believe they had 8 McD AAs. 3 Frosh, 2 sophomores, 2 juniors, and a senior HS AA. I thought ND looked very capable of challenging UConn (turned out MSst would be in the championship) after their ACC title game. Their offense looked potent when Boley and Young started shooting better. And when Arike started to pass a little more.
If Turner didn't get hurt I believe they would habe at least been in the FF. Stanford beat them by 1, and they were carving them up in the paint.
I guess I shouldn't call Aston and Mulkey bad coaches. They are definitely superb in many areas, especially recruiting. I think Texas might have too much talent, and they don't play consistent enough to make it to Elite 8s.
Mulkey just needs to schedule a tougher schedule. Her team was hardly tested over the course of the season. I would make an argument that ND' s schedule helped them win the title because they went through it all. A tough early come from behind win at Oregon ST, the 4th quarter meltdown at UConn, the stomping at Louisville, 23 point comeback against Tenn, and then losing to Louisville again.
I would put Mulkey and Aston in the same group as Walz, Staley, Frese, Blair, and Rueck (among others).

 

[Reypl21]

Sorry, I pay close attention to UConn and ND. So I feel like I catch myself speaking about ND a lot on here, because UConn is obviously well covered.