Tom Izzo Should be Done

[superjohn]

Cool. Throw him on the bench to start the second half. Pull him aside after he calms down. There are many ways to coach without physically grabbing and then running down your players. Both let their emotions get the best of them but only Izzo physically did anything. It was not appropriate. I'm sure he'll hear about it from the AD, and they'll all move on with life.

I'm sure you'd be okay if your boss did this to you when you screwed up at work, right?

I don't have a boss and don't have anyone get in my face and touch me. When I played sports absolutely, it happened and was expected. First coach I remember doing it with me was a black guy in my almost all white town for 7th and 8th grade basketball, awesome guy.

 

[superjohn]

Maybe read the thread... BL did not bring race into this. His point is that the person who did took this inappropriate but minor circumstance and added an unnecessary layer of social commentary on top of it.

I only brought up the race angle because formerlurker did (looks like he deleted the post) and the first article I read this morning was all about race.

 

[fatlucy]

Here is a post that's a part of the problem. I brought it up because another poster brought it up and it was the first article I read on it when I got up, people have lost their damn minds. White and black coaches do it with black and white players because it's coaching, that's on you if you see race in that.

You’re only seeing it from your white perspective. You don’t see the micro and macro racial aggressions people of color endure on a daily basis because you’re not of color. Many people see this reasonably small issue as one more racist act, not because of the one-off situation, but because of the constant BS they have to go through on a daily basis.

It’s honestly not “on us” because we put a racial twist on everything, it’s “on you” to try to understand a world where people who look like you and me have been racially attacking people of color for hundreds of years and it’s gotten worse over the last 5 years.
Don’t worry, it’s not your fault, nor are you to blame bc you’re white. It is, though, up to you to at least try to understand the reason a racial flag is raised in many surprising situations.

 

[polycom]

Just delete this thread.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Always amazing watching these all or nothing debates, as everyone rushes to put outside political perspective that fits their point of view around human interactions.

I'll make this simple for you. In 2021, should anyone not a parent lay hands on another human being for any reason? No, they shouldn't. On the other hand, at times of stress is it an awful moral failing for someone in the heat of the moment to touch someone in a manner that is absolutely not meant to cause actual physical harm? No, it's not that either.

For the protection of MSU, if nothing else, Izzo should be told not to do it again. Bosses and supervisors who aren't coaches have to learn all over the country that they need to find ways to get their points across to their charges without touching them. But the fate of western civilization doesn't depend on whether before a basketball coach (or a supermarket supervisor or a partner at a law firm) starts yelling at someone they are supervising, he or she puts a hand on his shoulder to get his attention, or even tugs at his shirt.

Well played counselor. Start off a post about posters going to extremes with their comments and then leading off you next paragraph with an absolutism which makes no sense.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I’m trying hard to think of any other situation where Where a teacher/supervisor put his hands on an student/employee in anger Would not be subject to Severe consequences up to termination
The actions of the student/player Are irrelevant to the actions of coach Izzo
If he was that upset with the player yelling at him then he had many Options from not playing him to kicking off the team do not renewing a scholarship
I continue to be amazed at How our societal norms don’t seem to apply to college sports How long with the coach last in the NBA if he grabbed his players
As for those who say it was not a “good look”. Not sure what that means
To me what really doesn’t look good is an old white guy putting his hands on a young black man

and if I may digress When is there going to be some discussion of the lack of black head coaches ?How do you explain other than white privilege how the coach at LSU became their head coach at the age of 30
With no experience playing basketball even at the high school level

My apologies for not sticking to the thread

The above is insane. If you acted like a football or basketball coach in any other occupation they would throw you out. Football coaches act like the world is there for them to coach, and that is important. Reality check, it isn't.

 

[polycom]

Maybe read the thread... BL did not bring race into this. His point is that the person who did took this inappropriate but minor circumstance and added an unnecessary layer of social commentary on top of it.

And he added his own spin on top that…

 

[fatlucy]

Just delete this thread.

Sorry it hurts your sensibilities.

 

[jibsey]

Izzo is a slightly gentler version of Bobby Knight. As these old crows start to lose it they get worse not better. He'll tell you he loves his kids.. bullshit, they are a money tree for him. MSU should deep six him now and save aggravation. It's hard for Izzo to let go of the gravy train he's on. That was a nice 2 step he did on the MSU scandal.

 

[polycom]

The above is insane. If you acted like a football or basketball coach in any other occupation they would throw you out. Football coaches act like the world is there for them to coach, and that is important. Reality check, it isn't.

Clemson and Alabama would like a word with you.

 

[polycom]

Sorry it hurts your sensibilities.

huh? What are you talking about?

 

[Zonepress]

Super John.
Well said

Been a while since I’ve heard super John
Maybe in honor of super John Williamson

 

[WhereistheDove?]

And he added his own spin on top that…

He's literally saying that adding race into it was uncalled for. You don't have to be right. You can just say "my bad, I misread the post".

 

[Slasher]

I saw it live and thought, Izzo shouldn't have done that because of today's world, but he won't get fired or even disciplined over it.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I only brought up the race angle because formerlurker did (looks like he deleted the post) and the first article I read this morning was all about race.

I wasn't referring to you. I was explaining that BL was referring to the formerlurker post. I don't think race has anything to do with this situation. I think it's just that Izzo is a d_bag. I have no doubt he'd have done the same to a white player. I think the worse look is a multimillionaire making his money off the back of this unpaid player acting like this.

 

[polycom]

You’re only seeing it from your white perspective. You don’t see the micro and macro racial aggressions people of color endure on a daily basis because you’re not of color. Many people see this reasonably small issue as one more racist act, not because of the one-off situation, but because of the constant BS they have to go through on a daily basis.

It’s honestly not “on us” because we put a racial twist on everything, it’s “on you” to try to understand a world where people who look like you and me have been racially attacking people of color for hundreds of years and it’s gotten worse over the last 5 years.
Don’t worry, it’s not your fault, nor are you to blame bc you’re white. It is, though, up to you to at least try to understand the reason a racial flag is raised in many surprising situations.

I am of color and this post is a reach. This situation isn’t racial at all. If you choose to add race on it that’s up to you and speaks to a person lived experience.

 

[polycom]

He's literally saying that adding race into it was uncalled for. You don't have to be right. You can just say "my bad, I misread the post".

Exactly my point. Here is a post that starts on the right track, which is Izzo was trying to coach and even if he did it in an incorrect manner it was not the end of the world, and then feels the need to go off the track by purporting to tell black americans how they should feel when an older white man uses his authority to intimidate them.

So this is not an opinion or what?

 

[mauconnfan]

I’m trying hard to think of any other situation where Where a teacher/supervisor put his hands on an student/employee in anger Would not be subject to Severe consequences up to termination
The actions of the student/player Are irrelevant to the actions of coach Izzo
If he was that upset with the player yelling at him then he had many Options from not playing him to kicking off the team do not renewing a scholarship
I continue to be amazed at How our societal norms don’t seem to apply to college sports How long with the coach last in the NBA if he grabbed his players
As for those who say it was not a “good look”. Not sure what that means
To me what really doesn’t look good is an old white guy putting his hands on a young black man

and if I may digress When is there going to be some discussion of the lack of black head coaches ?How do you explain other than white privilege how the coach at LSU became their head coach at the age of 30
With no experience playing basketball even at the high school level

My apologies for not sticking to the thread

Not much of a college basketball fan huh? Add to the cream puff thoughts please get off the old white guy stuff here, Izzo and Calhoun deserve respect from their players. Leonard Hamilton deserves respect from his players, Nolan Richardson deserved respect from his players. If they grab a shirt or an arm because they get verbally disrespected or even facially they can do that anytime. If you want to get your a** kissed don't go to these schools. Passion is what fuels these great coaches and this incident should never be questioned. I have a better idea than yours, if the kid didn't like it leave. Izzo doesn't have to kick him out or off the team, he can leave. Let a tougher minded individual come in and take his place. One that respects authority.

 

[HuskyHawk]

That's it? The killed yelled at his coach and the coach pulled his shirt? This is a non story. Let the team figure it out.

I was thinking he shoved the kid or something. He just grabbed his shirt? Why is this even news?

Seemed to me he grabbed the shirt because the player was walking away, ignoring him. Nothing to see here except some disrespectful behavior by the player if anything.

 

[superjohn]

I wasn't referring to you. I was explaining that BL was referring to the formerlurker post. I don't think race has anything to do with this situation. I think it's just that Izzo is a . I have no doubt he'd have done the same to a white player. I think the worse look is a multimillionaire making his money off the back of this unpaid player acting like this.

My bad, thought it was directed at me.

 

[krinklecut]

That's it? The killed yelled at his coach and the coach pulled his shirt? This is a non story. Let the team figure it out.

I was thinking he shoved the kid or something. He just grabbed his shirt? Why is this even news?

why is this entire thread saying all he did was pull his shirt? no, that's not all he did.

 

[superjohn]

Super John.
Well said

Been a while since I’ve heard super John
Maybe in honor of super John Williamson

Yes, he was my dad's favorite player.

 

[HuskyHawk]

why is this entire thread saying all he did was pull his shirt? no, that's not all he did.

That view looks even worse...for Brown. Hitting his coach who is trying to talk to him.

 

[krinklecut]

That view looks even worse...for Brown. Hitting his coach who is trying to talk to him.

completely ignoring izzo whipping him around by his arm. That is unacceptable.

 

[Zonepress]

Not much of a college basketball fan huh? Add to the cream puff thoughts please get off the old white guy stuff here, Izzo and Calhoun deserve respect from their players. Leonard Hamilton deserves respect from his players, Nolan Richardson deserved respect from his players. If they grab a shirt or an arm because they get verbally disrespected or even facially they can do that anytime. If you want to get your a** kissed don't go to these schools. Passion is what fuels these great coaches and this incident should never be questioned. I have a better idea than yours, if the kid didn't like it leave. Izzo doesn't have to kick him out or off the team, he can leave. Let a tougher minded individual come in and take his place. One that respects authority.

Time for me to check out of this thread

 

[businesslawyer]

Here is a post that's a part of the problem. I brought it up because another poster brought it up and it was the first article I read on it when I got up, people have lost their damn minds. White and black coaches do it with black and white players because it's coaching, that's on you if you see race in that.

As wrong as could be. It's on you if you haven't learned to be sensitive to how black Americans see interactions with white Americans due to 350 years of history.

 

[McLovin]

This thread is hilarious. People here act like coaches are just some random guy who punches a clock to teach the team basketball for 90 minutes a day and shows up for 2 hours on game day. I can't speak directly for the program at MSU, but at many college programs like ours, coaches are a parental figure for many of these kids. When Akok wen down last year, Hurley took him into his home for the first few nights. These coaches aren't just trying to teach their players to become better on the court, but also to become better men off the court.

We have no background on what this relationship has been like that led to this. Has Brown been disrespectful to Izzo in the past? Has Izzo been "bullying" or picking on Brown recently? We don't know. So save your judgement.

Should Izzo have grabbed his guy? Probably not. Not something I would have done. But it's not like he smacked him around. Izzo is trying to teach this young man to be a better person. To just let him show up his coach on national TV and to let him get away with mouthing off to his coach is not the answer. Could have handled it differently, but it was the heat of the moment and BOTH guys were hot.

I'm sure the posters who want a cupcake society feel different, but that reflects more on the moral superiority complex we have in our country today than what actually transpired on the court.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It’s always the same guy in these videos. Enjoy the offseason, Tom.

 

[husky429]

It’s always the same guy in these videos. Enjoy the offseason, Tom.

He needs to be put to pasture.

 

[krinklecut]

This thread is hilarious. People here act like coaches are just some random guy who punches a clock to teach the team basketball for 90 minutes a day and shows up for 2 hours on game day. I can't speak directly for the program at MSU, but at many college programs like ours, coaches are a parental figure for many of these kids. When Akok wen down last year, Hurley took him into his home for the first few nights. These coaches aren't just trying to teach their players to become better on the court, but also to become better men off the court.

We have no background on what this relationship has been like that led to this. Has Brown been disrespectful to Izzo in the past? Has Izzo been "bullying" or picking on Brown recently? We don't know. So save your judgement.

Should Izzo have grabbed his guy? Probably not. Not something I would have done. But it's not like he smacked him around. Izzo is trying to teach this young man to be a better person. To just let him show up his coach on national TV and to let him get away with mouthing off to his coach is not the answer. Could have handled it differently, but it was the heat of the moment and BOTH guys were hot.

I'm sure the posters who want a cupcake society feel different, but that reflects more on the moral superiority complex we have in our country today than what actually transpired on the court.

both guys were hot. one is a seasoned veteran who gets paid millions and millions of dollars a year to coach these children, the other is an unpaid amateur athlete. brown could have disrespected izzo all day, you still don't but your hands on someone on your team. there is no excuse, no matter the backstory.