Tom Izzo Should be Done

[slepers]

Kid never should hav come off the bench in the second half

 

[BParkDog]

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[ScuderiaDiU]

Something I’ve observed to be almost universally true in life, is that people who feel the need to publicly blast other peoples moral mistakes or moral short comings, often aren’t the most moral themselves.

The more of a public champion for morality someone is by shaming someone else’s moral shortcomings, the less secure they are with their own morality.

Just like how bullies make fun of other people because they are insecure with themselves.

Maybe the posters on here calling for Izzos head really are the children of god and perfect in their life. But it’s unlikely.

You nailed it. Call it human psychology. Call it philosophy. But there are trends in human behavior that have transcended thousands of years and hundreds of generations. There is a reason why the first lesson in the bible is "Eat not the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". Humans so easily fall into dualistic thinking. We also have a survival instinct genetically programmed into our brains from MANY thousands of years of evolution. Once the ego develops, the identity becomes something to protect. After all, don't you want to be accepted and approved of? Then, when one accepts that there is good and evil, one constantly tries to be good. In fact, if the strongest survive, one is constantly trying to be all good. And if it is possible to be all good then it must follow that someone can be all bad. So what happens when our imperfection inevitable rears its ugly head? Well, we go on the defensive because of that survival instinct. Now, imagine if you feel crappy about yourself. If someone tells you that it is ok because you are a victim, boom, get out of mental jail free card! Now, further imagine a person that doesn't feel crappy about themselves but are tricked into doing something immoral based on the premise that they deserved it because they are a victim. That poor soul basically got trapped by someone who was probably just trying to compensate for their own inadequacies.

Bottom line? We are not as special and evolved as we would like to believe. We are still scared animals. And what is often our greatest strength inevitably becomes our downfall. How many empires have risen and then decayed into oblivion just in recorded history? Each subsequent one becomes a little more civilized than the last but I laugh when people think that THEY have it all figured out now. Yep, that's the ego.

 

[BlueDogs]

Reasonable minds may differ, but why is is just part of the game for a 70 year old to lose his composure - wasn't it two years ago that he headbutted Aaron Henry in the huddle - and it gets blamed on the "heat of the moment" but the 21 year old has to "show some respect and suck it up"?

Edit: and before anymore panties get twisted, I don't think Izzo should get in trouble for this. It's who he is and always has been and if you like it and think it's cool, good for you. I don't like him so that colors my take on this.

Because, the coach is the leader and he is the authority. If you don’t like getting yelled at, go somewhere else.

 

[krinklecut]

So you’re upset by Izzo grabbing Brown by the arm after Brown blew an assignment, reamed out his teammate, and then stormed off after his coach tried talking to him?
You’re right, fire Izzo cause in this case what’s the point of even having a coach?

If you can go ahead and point to where I said izzo should be fired thatd be great

 

[ScuderiaDiU]

Because it's sports, we also don't run up to people and tackle them or give them a forearm shiver. Sports are competitive, highly emotional, and organized violence. I think if we start treating it like everything else in society, we'll end up not having sports anymore.

This is correct. Like it or not, a sport like this is competition involving physical contact. Players are literally trying to physically dominate their opponent. There is an interesting theory that sports is a substitute for war. Humans are driven, by evolutionary programming, to physically dominate those around them. And, yes, this is more prevalent in men. If people do it on a court or field, they are less likely to turn to more violent and deadly incarnations of this desire. The softer sports become, the more likely this will happen. How far is MMA from what the gladiators did in ancient Rome? And how far is that from war itself? There is a reason why gladiators were often ex-soldiers.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Because, the coach is the leader and he is the authority. If you don’t like getting yelled at, go somewhere else.

There's a difference between "getting yelled at" and what happens with Izzo once or twice a season. C'mon. It's idiotic that "the leader" gets to chalk it up to the heat of the moment but we demand so much more from the kid.

 

[NJHusky]

Reasonable minds may differ, but why is is just part of the game for a 70 year old to lose his composure - wasn't it two years ago that he headbutted Aaron Henry in the huddle - and it gets blamed on the "heat of the moment" but the 21 year old has to "show some respect and suck it up"?

Edit: and before anymore panties get twisted, I don't think Izzo should get in trouble for this. It's who he is and always has been and if you like it and think it's cool, good for you. I don't like him so that colors my take on this.

Is it ok for the kid to totally disrespect his coach by walking away from him while the coach is trying to speak with him?

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Is it ok for the kid to totally disrespect his coach by walking away from him while the coach is trying to speak with him?

Who said that? Both are in the wrong. The disagreement seems to be between the folks that think the player yelling at the coach was worse and the folks that think that a millionaire senior citizen who makes his salary off the backs of unpaid labor physically grabbing, yelling at, and then running at one of those unpaid players was worse. Folks can agree to disagree.

 

[superjohn]

There's a difference between "getting yelled at" and what happens with Izzo once or twice a season. C'mon. It's idiotic that "the leader" gets to chalk it up to the heat of the moment but we demand so much more from the kid.

I can't stand Izzo but he gets it. He said to someone at an earlier date he screams at the players, he always has and the only difference is now they scream back at him. To me it's all very normal, we've made it not normal.

 

[Waquoit]

I can't stand Izzo but he gets it.

Gets what?

 

[superjohn]

Gets what?

That it's nonsense people make a big deal out of these things. It's the relationship between players and coaches.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I can't stand Izzo but he gets it. He said to someone at an earlier date he screams at the players, he always has and the only difference is now they scream back at him. To me it's all very normal, we've made it not normal.

I can't stand Izzo either and I have no problem with red-ass, toughlove coaches. But I think stuff like last night and the Aaron Henry thing are just a guy who can't control himself. I have no problem with Frank Martin melting a kid's face off in the huddle. I don't like when these guys can't reign it in and stuff like last night happens. Just my opinion. Also my opinion that coming across the huddle to headbutt your player or grabbing him like Izzo did are not "normal." We can disagree.

 

[NJHusky]

Who said that? Both are in the wrong. The disagreement seems to be between the folks that think the player yelling at the coach was worse and the folks that think that a millionaire senior citizen who makes his salary off the backs of unpaid labor physically grabbing, yelling at, and then running at one of those unpaid players was worse. Folks can agree to disagree.

No one is forcing that kid to play for a major university if he doesn't want to. What's the cost of a college degree these days? 250-300k? And I know plenty of people who got full rides to Div 1...most didn't play beyond college but they got a degree out of it they will be using for a long time.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

No one is forcing that kid to play for a major university if he doesn't want to. What's the cost of a college degree these days? 250-300k? And I know plenty of people who got full rides to Div 1...most didn't play beyond college but they got a degree out of it they will be using for a long time.

There are defenses of Izzo but this is an absolutely terrible one. No one forced anybody to be on the gymnastics team at MSU either.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

Sorry but this is a bit misleading. At least post a full video before telling anyone to do anything. In the video below you can see what lead up to that. You can make the case that a player should never talk to a coach like that.

Yeah, if I’m the coach I don’t think I grab his shirt. That said, looks like that was halftime. If so, I’m telling the player to shower and get dressed, you ain’t playing the second half.

 

[nomar]

He shouldn't have grabbed him but that's hardly a fireable offense

 

[superjohn]

I can't stand Izzo either and I have no problem with red-ass, toughlove coaches. But I think stuff like last night and the Aaron Henry thing are just a guy who can't control himself. I have no problem with Frank Martin melting a kid's face off in the huddle. I don't like when these guys can't reign it in and stuff like last night happens. Just my opinion. Also my opinion that coming across the huddle to headbutt your player or grabbing him like Izzo did are not "normal." We can disagree.

I don't think he meant to headbutt the kid but that was bad. I had no problem with last night, the player was pissed off and the coach was pissed off. I had no issue with Izzo grabbing him after Brown stormed off and I would have no problem with the player pushing him away. Let's be honest everyone is scared with Frank Martin going ballistic two inches from your face, nobody is scared if Izzo grabs them.

 

[NJHusky]

There are defenses of Izzo but this is an absolutely terrible one. No one forced anybody to be on the gymnastics team at MSU either.

How can you compare the two....that's ridiculous!! The fact you draw that anaology to my comment in response to an argument players aren't getting paid show how far people want to stretch cancel culture. There is a value to a college degree even if you aren't getting direct $$

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I don't think he meant to headbutt the kid but that was bad. I had no problem with last night, the player was pissed off and the coach was pissed off. I had no issue with Izzo grabbing him after Brown stormed off and I would have no problem with the player pushing him away. Let's be honest everyone is scared with Frank Martin going ballistic two inches from your face, nobody is scared if Izzo grabs them.

Yeah headbutt is strong but that just reminded me of what I used to do back when I had a hard time controlling my temper and wanted to hit someone but couldn't. Incidentally, I did that right up until the point I did it to the wrong person and I haven't had that issue since.

My sense of Izzo and his guys is that pretty much anything goes in both directions in the heat of the moment. I don't love watching it, I don't think it should happen, but it's not some kind of scandal.

 

[krinklecut]

Don't think he should be fired, but:

if a player grab Izzo like that and yanked him that hard, would he get in trouble? 100% yes. Why do we hold unpaid players to higher standards than the millionaire coaches?

 

[Hi-Low]

Never an Izzo fan, I know many are but he's never seemed like a good guy to me. I'm sure he could care less just think his "good guy" rep isn't deserved.

He's a big cya guy imo

 

[superjohn]

Is it ok for the kid to totally disrespect his coach by walking away from him while the coach is trying to speak with him?

It's all okay, that's why it's handled by coaches and players. It all becomes a mess when media and us idiot fans butt our heads in.

 

[NJHusky]

It's all okay, that's why it's handled by coaches and players. It all becomes a mess when media and us idiot fans butt our heads in.

Exactly! I doubt any of those offended played any high level of competitive sport and wonder if those offended have bothered to see how many times coaches revered here grabbed a player and escorted them out of a game or yelled at a player?

 

[WeAreUCONN]

Says the privileged middle aged white guy who would cry to HR the second it happened to him.

No I would just flip out, man up and deal with it the best I could. I don’t cry to anyone. I’ll handle the situation myself.
by the way, I’m sure you’re one of the many drivers out there who aren’t smart enough to drive between two solid lines. Keep working at it. Maybe one day....