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Welp, I'm not surprised that we're at a point where some people think this is an ugly confrontation and that a coach should be fired over something like this.
 
I would have a much bigger issue losing and blowing an 11 pt leader the half then this altercation. The fans who think Izzo should be fired over this aren’t really sports fans.
 
krinklecut said:
both guys were hot. one is a seasoned veteran who gets paid millions and millions of dollars a year to coach these children, the other is an unpaid amateur athlete. brown could have disrespected izzo all day, you still don't but your hands on someone on your team. there is no excuse, no matter the backstory.
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It happens I doubt the player has an issue with this. We’re all human no one is perfect tensions happen.
 
BParkDog said:
Really ugly video of Izzo going after one of his players. Gets in his grill. Player walks away. Grabs the kid by his arm. Kid pulls away. Grabs him by his shirt to try to restrain him. Kid attempts to swat his hand away.

No place in 2021 for a coach who thinks he can lay his hands on a kid in anger. It's completely unacceptable.

Put him out to pasture. RIP Tom Izzo. RIP, Michigan State.

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You've got to be kidding. There was nothing objectionable whatsoever in that video. If you are that sensitive, I really feel bad for you. Wow.
 
Indignation can be a very convenient emotion to use. "I'm so offended that I really can't have a conversation on this.........so and so just needs to be fired!" Civil and intelligent discourse is much harder to manage, but it ultimately might accomplish something or at least a broader perspective of the issue at hand.

I've never found that when my emotions get the better part of me or when I shut down meaningful discussion that anything constructive takes place.
 
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krinklecut said:
both guys were hot. one is a seasoned veteran who gets paid millions and millions of dollars a year to coach these children, the other is an unpaid amateur athlete. brown could have disrespected izzo all day, you still don't but your hands on someone on your team. there is no excuse, no matter the backstory.
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I can either listen to krinklecut's take on the situation or what was reported from the locker room & reactions of former Izzo players like Green who say to move on. hmmmmmm....

Hey, at least your take gets your a participation trophy in the morality olympics! Congrats!
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
this is a pretty dumb comment. I don’t give two ____ about Izzo but there’s not only one acceptable take for a sports fan.
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Its just my personal opinion. When your in the heat of battle your trying to do one thing win you do whatever it takes. It’s one thing to be critical of Izzo but fired?

Not advocating cheating or violence but nothing is off limits for me. Winning is more important to me then feelings being hurt. Again just my personal opinion.
 
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superjohn said:
Yes, he was my dad's favorite player.
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Old enough to have seen
Him
Play in high school. Got to know him a bit later in his life
I genuinely nice guy but bad health made life a struggle for him
 
McLovin said:
I can either listen to krinklecut's take on the situation or what was reported from the locker room & reactions of former Izzo players like Green who say to move on. hmmmmmm....

Hey, at least your take gets your a participation trophy in the morality olympics! Congrats!
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lol ok
 
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Something I’ve observed to be almost universally true in life, is that people who feel the need to publicly blast other peoples moral mistakes or moral short comings, often aren’t the most moral themselves.

The more of a public champion for morality someone is by shaming someone else’s moral shortcomings, the less secure they are with their own morality.

Just like how bullies make fun of other people because they are insecure with themselves.

Maybe the posters on here calling for Izzos head really are the children of god and perfect in their life. But it’s unlikely.
 
10 years ago the discussion is the lack of respect from the player.

5 years from now the discussion will be, the coach should be fired for raising his voice at the player, that is disrespectful

Left with no recourse but benching 10 years from now, people will be calling for the coach to be fired for retaliating against the player by benching him for not picking up the switch
 
gtcam said:
Im not an Izzo fan but these kids are becoming prima donnas - nobody, even the coach, can tell them anything
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Are they getting too big for their britches, too?
 
formerlurker said:
I totally see that side, I do.

But, if I'm old man Mr. Brown, Izzo is on the floor piecing together his dentals right now.
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fatlucy said:
You’re only seeing it from your white perspective. You don’t see the micro and macro racial aggressions people of color endure on a daily basis because you’re not of color. Many people see this reasonably small issue as one more racist act, not because of the one-off situation, but because of the constant BS they have to go through on a daily basis.

It’s honestly not “on us” because we put a racial twist on everything, it’s “on you” to try to understand a world where people who look like you and me have been racially attacking people of color for hundreds of years and it’s gotten worse over the last 5 years.
Don’t worry, it’s not your fault, nor are you to blame bc you’re white. It is, though, up to you to at least try to understand the reason a racial flag is raised in many surprising situations.
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Well done @fatlucy.
 
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McLovin said:
Something I’ve observed to be almost universally true in life, is that people who feel the need to publicly blast other peoples moral mistakes or moral short comings, often aren’t the most moral themselves.

The more of a public champion for morality someone is by shaming someone else’s moral shortcomings, the less secure they are with their own morality.

Just like how bullies make fun of other people because they are insecure with themselves.

Maybe the posters on here calling for Izzos head really are the children of god and perfect in their life. But it’s unlikely.
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In a thread full of inane takes, this one stands alone. "If you disagree with my point of view, you are an immoral person".
 
I don’t have any huge issues with how Izzo interacted with Brown. I just hate Izzo’s on court antics. You can tell he’s a bully. You should have seen him chewing out the refs with like 30 seconds left in regulation. Any other coach would’ve been T’ed up. He clearly had lost control of his team. I just generally dislike the guy, he’s right up there with coach K and Calipari in terms of coaches who get away with whatever they want. I think college bball would be better off without him, but that’s just my personal opinion.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
In a thread full of inane takes, this one stands alone. "If you disagree with my point of view, you are an immoral person".
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If that’s what you got from that, then that is interesting....

What I said was that people who feel the need to publicly shame other people’s morals typically do so because they harbor some guilt themselves or don’t feel confident in their own morality.

Never said it made them an immoral person or that they were immoral. I’m not the one to judge that.
 
I'll just add that @BParkDog started this thread and, if I am correct, never made another comment. He got everyone riled up discussing right and wrong, Black and White, Millionaires and unpaid athletes, in addition to so much other crap. Is it too late for another bit of mojo @Deepster
 
Couldn’t be happier seeing Michigan State dumped in the trashcan. Didn’t deserve to be in the tournament. As for Izzo, don’t like him, so double bonus.
 
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Wow, did this thread have some legs. I just wonder how many brackets just got blown up by Sparty going down? All the talking heads were all everything for Michigan State.
 
This is comical. Coaches and players get heated - it’s competition.

you make it seem like izzo punched him in the face. He grabbed his jersey as he was walking away from him. If Izzo did nothing you’d all be saying “Izzo lost the locker room”.
 
McLovin said:
Something I’ve observed to be almost universally true in life, is that people who feel the need to publicly blast other peoples moral mistakes or moral short comings, often aren’t the most moral themselves.

The more of a public champion for morality someone is by shaming someone else’s moral shortcomings, the less secure they are with their own morality.

Just like how bullies make fun of other people because they are insecure with themselves.

Maybe the posters on here calling for Izzos head really are the children of god and perfect in their life. But it’s unlikely.
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While I’m a Izzo hater, I totally support what you’re saying. This has been a deepening dark trend in this country since last year. Nothing is more unAmerican, more unconstitutional, than this. Yeah I hate Izzo, but I fully support his right as an American to be an a-h*** without getting canceled.
 
BPT2Storrs said:
This is comical. Coaches and players get heated - it’s competition.

you make it seem like izzo punched him in the face. He grabbed his jersey as he was walking away from him. If Izzo did nothing you’d all be saying “Izzo lost the locker room”.
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thats not what he did
 
MuchoDogYears said:
While I’m a Izzo hater, I totally support what you’re saying. This has been a deepening dark trend in this country since last year. Nothing is more unAmerican, more unconstitutional, than this. Yeah I hate Izzo, but I fully support his right as an American to be an a-h*** without getting canceled.
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this has nothing to do with the constitution. what are you talking about?
 
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