The Worst Trait Belonging To UConn's Worst Point Guard Under Calhoun

[77-74]

That doesn't make it better nor does it buy you any wiggle room.

This is the kind of dickish post that makes this place a pure duck*ing rubber room of stupid. Before you, some jerkoff made the same post about Kevin Ollie or Ricky Moore or Taliek Brown and, yes, Kemba.

A good chunk of the people here are garden-variety idiots - they'll never know any better. You should, but you don't and that's scary.

Napier is a kid who doesn't know what he's doing and he's playing with a bunch of other kids who really, really don't know what they're doing - and just to add to the level of difficulty, the head coach has yoyo'd in and out of his job over the past month.

But he's the worst starter Calhoun has ever had. Okie dokie - thanks for the insight.

If they don't know what they are doing why are they receiving a free 25k/year in out of state tuition at a basketball powerhouse? Or are you going to say we are not a powerhouse just to defend Shabbier for whatever asinine reason you are doing so?

I dont remember ever seeing the lack of effort, body language, awful shot selection from any of your stated guards. I also don't think I've ever seen this kind of loyalty from the coaches towards a player in terms of not yanking him after he keeps screwing up.

Down 30 or up 30 I have never and will never leave or turn the game off until the final horn which makes me feel like I have a right to complain when I see Shabby play.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

God this board has really gone to shit. Totally unreadable.

 

[M_Funkhauser43!]

God this board has really gone to ****. Totally unreadable.

Makes sense. This season has really gone to ****. Totally unwatchable.

 

[aceboon]

Because they're learning how to figure out what they're doing, just like the team that inspired your namesake had to do when they barely finished above .500 and had to play in the NIT their first year together before getting KEA. The sense of entitlement you ducks expect to have at the hands of 19 & 20 year old kids is amazing.

If they don't know what they are doing why are they receiving a free 25k/year in out of state tuition at a basketball powerhouse? Or are you going to say we are not a powerhouse just to defend Shabbier for whatever asinine reason you are doing so?

I dont remember ever seeing the lack of effort, body language, awful shot selection from any of your stated guards. I also don't think I've ever seen this kind of loyalty from the coaches towards a player in terms of not yanking him after he keeps screwing up.

Down 30 or up 30 I have never and will never leave or turn the game off until the final horn which makes me feel like I have a right to complain when I see Shabby play.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Makes sense. This season has really gone to ****. Totally unwatchable.

Case in point. Just flooded with entitled clowns.

 

[77-74]

Because they're learning how to figure out what they're doing, just like the team that inspired your namesake had to do when they barely finished above .500 and had to play in the NIT their first year together before getting KEA. The sense of entitlement you ducks expect to have at the hands of 19 & 20 year old kids is amazing.

Since this is a public message board on the world wide internet thing I am entitled to complain about Shabbier and you are entitled to respond unintelligibly. Other than that I have no sense of entitlement. I hope nothing more that Shabazz turns it around but right now I have my doubts.

My namesake comes from a year when we were nowhere near where we are today and when expectations were far less.

 

[M_Funkhauser43!]

Case in point. Just flooded with entitled clowns.

You should probably read some more of my posts before you start with the name calling. Just because I say it's tough to watch a team with this much talent play this poorly doesn't mean I don't have some perspective.

I realize we're not going to have a juggernaut every year, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say things have gotten ugly. Last night was case in point. If not a win, I think fans are entitled to a little bit better effort than what they saw against Louisville. If that makes me an "entitled clown," so be it.

Besides, I don't know why you act all indignant and surprised with all the off-the-wall posts here when a season's going down the tubes. You know that's how it's been at every one of these forums over the years.

 

[zls44]

Enough of the good fan/bad fan garbage. Everyone on here is a hardcore fan. Period.

I'm getting up at 5 AM to drive to Syracuse on Saturday. Even though I think Napier is awful right now. I could put the tickets on StubHub, I could eat the $40, but I'm still going to go because I know they're better than this.

 

[aceboon]

Since this is a public message board on the world wide internet thing I am entitled to complain about Shabbier and you are entitled to respond unintelligibly. Other than that I have no sense of entitlement. I hope nothing more that Shabazz turns it around but right now I have my doubts.

My namesake comes from a year when we were nowhere near where we are today and when expectations were far less.

The core of that team minus KEA made the NIT their first year together in 96-97, and lol @ expectations being far less for that 99 team than this one. That 99 team was ranked preseason #2 behind Duke(Dickie V had them #1 before he hopped on the Duke bandwagon) and spent a good majority of the year ranked #1. That team was expected to be a Final 4 and NC contender just like this one was. Big difference b/w that team and this one is that that one was made up of mostly SRs and JRs(and a soph PG who as ready to play right away as anyone player we ever brought in here) who had already grown accustomed to playing in their roles and what was expected of them nightly. Next time you want to call someone out for posting "unintelligibly", take the time to actually know what you're talking about.

 

[caw]

Kentucky isn't exactly a collection of Medicare recipients. Not a convincing excuse.

Exception not the rule, seriously look up every other top team in the nation. Do it and let me know their ages/experience. Or you can search for my post from a few weeks ago that laid it all out. I mean why get hung up on facts though.

As to Napier being the worst PG in UConn history, here are the stats for the UConn starting PGs since 1996-1997:

Shabazz Napier:

• 13.1 PTS, 5.5 Assists, 1.7 Steals, 3.0 TO, 38.6%, 33.3%, and 75.2%

Kemba Walker:

• 23.5 PTS, 4.5 Assists, 1.9 Steals, 2.3 TO, 42.8%, 33.0%, and 81.9%
• 14.6 PTS, 5.0 Assists, 2.1 Steals, 2.9 TO, 40.4%, 33.9%, and 76.7%

AJ Price:

• 14.7 PTS, 4.7 Assists, 0.7 Steals, 2.7 TO, 40.8%, 40.2%, and 72.1%
• 14.5 PTS, 5.8 Assists, 1.3 Steals, 2.4 TO, 43.7%, 36.9%, and 74.6%
• 9.4 PTS, 3.6 Assists, 1.2 Steals, 2.0 TO, 38.7%, 27.3%, and 69.0%

Marcus Williams:

• 12.3 PTS, 8.6 Assists, 0.9 Steals, 3.3 TO, 40.7%, 40.0%, and 86.2%
• 9.6 PTS, 7.8 Assists, 1.1 Steals, 3.7 TO, 40.4%, 40.3%, and 71.9%

Taliek Brown:

• 6.3 PTS, 6.5 Assists, 1.1 Steals, 2.4 TO, 41.7%, 20.0%, and 55.3%
• 7.7 PTS, 4.8 Assists, 0.9 Steals, 2.4 TO, 44.0%, 05.9%, and 56.0%
• 9.2 PTS, 5.1 Assists, 1.3 Steals, 3.3 TO, 45.6%, 30.3% and 65.0%
• 8.1 PTS, 4.9 Assists, 1.6 Steals, 2.4 TO, 43.0%, 25.0% and 54.5%

Khalid El-Amin

• 16.0 PTS, 5.2 Assists, 1.7 Steals, 2.7 TO, 41.1%, 35.6%, and 89.2%
• 13.8 PTS, 3.9 Assists, 1.6 Steals, 2.6 TO, 41.2 %, 33.8%, and 77.8%
• 16.0 PTS, 4.2 Assists, 1.8 Steals, 2.7 TO, 42.4%, 36.5%, and 79.6%

Ricky Moore*

• 8.9 PTS, 5.4 Assists, 1.7 Steals, 2.6 TO, 36.8%, 33.4% and 64.0%

1996-1997 Record: 17-11 Ricky's first year as starter
1997-1998 Record: 32-5 El-Amin's first year as starter
2000-2001 Record: 20-12 Taliek's first year as starter
2004-2005 Record: 23-8 William's first year as starter
2006-2007 Record: 17-14 AJ's first year as starter
2009-2010 Record: 18-16 Kemba's first year as starter
2011-2012 Record: 13-5 Napier's games as a starting PG (1-2 Boatright)

And all of this is including Napiers stats from the past three games (not starting PG) where he is 4-26 (15.4%), 0-9 (0.0%) and 8-10 (80%) with an average of 1.7 Assists and 5.3 PTS.

Boatright is 13-26 (50%), 2-7 (28.6%), 9-12 (75%) with 12.3 PTS, 4.7 Assists, 3.0 Steals and 3.0 TO

* I know Ricky didn't start every game as PG that year with the NCAA issues.

 

[Gurleyman]

and lol @ expectations being far less for that 99 team than this one.

Holy crap, did someone really write that???? I can only assume they were too young to pay attention then. Expectations were not only sky high, they were desperately high - as in "if we don't make the Final Four this year, it'll never happen." I can't describe the sheer torture of watching the Gonzaga Elite Eight game - it was pure hell. Worst 39:55 I've ever had watching a sporting event, and maybe the biggest sigh of relief in the last :05 ever. Post-1999 fans just have no idea of what that was like. As bad as George Mason was - multiply it by 1000 and you have what losing to Gonzaga (which wasn't established then) would have been. At least we had two banners when we lost to Mason.

 

[Fishy]

The Gonzaga game might have been the single most pressure-filled game in the school's history.

We haven't had a game like that since - the final four was house money, but losing that game would have been a disaster.

The second title game and the Elite Eight game vs. Missouri were two other games that had something to them. The second title separated JC from the pack and then the third Final Four more or less cemented it.

But nothing compared to the Zags game.

 

[77-74]

Next time you want to call someone out for posting "unintelligibly", take the time to actually know what you're talking about.

I can only assume they were too young to pay attention then. Expectations were not only sky high, they were desperately high - as in "if we don't make the Final Four this year, it'll never happen."

We haven't had a game like that since - the final four was house money, but losing that game would have been a disaster.

So expectations were desperately high -as in "if we don't make the Final Four this year, it'll never happen." But once we got the final four we were playing with house money? Doesnt playing with house money mean we weren't expected to get there? Aceboon - I can use a straw man too!

Relative to where the program was in 99 to where it is now expectations may have been higher in 99, but at that time we had never been to the final four and now we have tasted it 4 times and won 3 championships. In 2012 many more prospective students are looking at and have heard of UConn due to the baskteball team than were doing so in 1999. The overall expectations year in and year out are much higher now.

So back to the topic of the thread since expectations are higher Shabbier needs to atleast show a little more emotion if hes going to be the self proclaimed leader.

 

[huskymagic]

Enough of the good fan/bad fan garbage. Everyone on here is a hardcore fan. Period.

I'm getting up at 5 AM to drive to Syracuse on Saturday. Even though I think Napier is awful right now. I could put the tickets on StubHub, I could eat the $40, but I'm still going to go because I know they're better than this.

Best post of the day. We wouldn't be here on the boneyard every day or going to games if weren't hardcore fans of the team. This is UCONN and we expect to contend for national championships and not make excuses for certain players or why the team isn't playing well.

 

[Fishy]

Best post of the day. We wouldn't be here on the boneyard every day or going to games if weren't hardcore fans of the team. This is UCONN and we expect to contend for national championships and not make excuses for certain players or why the team isn't playing well.

And with two short words, 'we expect', he demonstrates all that's wrong with this place.

This ain't the Boneyard, it's just a miserable shadow of what it used to be.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Best post of the day. We wouldn't be here on the boneyard every day or going to games if weren't hardcore fans of the team. This is UCONN and we expect to contend for national championships and not make excuses for certain players or why the team isn't playing well.

Who's 'we' in this scenario.

Sounds like 'you'

 

[huskymagic]

Who's 'we' in this scenario.

Sounds like 'you'

yes I am speaking for myself but everyone from the school, to the coaches, to the players to the fans all expect UCONN to compete for national championships each and every year especially coming off a title with almost everyone back and adding Drummond.You think John Wooden and UCLA were satisfied when they won 8 championships in a row.

 

[caw]

So expectations were desperately high -as in "if we don't make the Final Four this year, it'll never happen." But once we got the final four we were playing with house money? Doesnt playing with house money mean we weren't expected to get there? Aceboon - I can use a straw man too!

Relative to where the program was in 99 to where it is now expectations may have been higher in 99, but at that time we had never been to the final four and now we have tasted it 4 times and won 3 championships. In 2012 many more prospective students are looking at and have heard of UConn due to the baskteball team than were doing so in 1999. The overall expectations year in and year out are much higher now.

So back to the topic of the thread since expectations are higher Shabbier needs to atleast show a little more emotion if hes going to be the self proclaimed leader.

Not quite. It means anything beyond that was exceeding expectations. Any team or fans who sets anything beyond a final four as expectations is in for a rough season and final four expectations should only be expected of teams that are great.

That 1999 team was great, it was an elite eight team the year before who had lost 5 games the year before and returned everyone who played any sort of major minutes in 1998. A final four was the expectation, the hope was a NC. It met expectations by beating Gonzaga in the elite eight. Beating OSU in the semi and Duke in the final was icing on the cake.

Fans and programs shouldn't expect Final Fours or National Championships every year, that is beyond unreasonable.

Hope/want a NC every year but don't expect one, that's just silly. Think about it, UK has all 7 NC's in about 65 years, that's roughly one every 9 years or so. UCLA has 10 but hasn't won one in 17 years. Indiana has all 5 but hasn't won one in 25 years. Kansas has 5 in 90 years. Duke has all 4 in 20 years or one every 5. UNC has all 6 since 1924 (or all 5 since 1957). UConn has 3 in 15 years. No team will ever be UCLA of the 1960's-1970's.

That said, this team is not playing as well as it could. The Shabbier stuff is uncalled for and just plain dickish.

 

[caw]

yes I am speaking for myself but everyone from the school, to the coaches, to the players to the fans all expect UCONN to compete for national championships each and every year especially coming off a title with almost everyone back and adding Drummond.You think John Wooden and UCLA were satisfied when they won 8 championships in a row.

Seriously? Four players left the program. One happened to be the best player in the country. One a 4 year backup and a co-captain. One a 3 year player and underrated defender. One was well, him leaving wasn't a huge loss.

 

[partial]

On the original point of the thread: Napier will play better.

I don't often post being a lurker and all, but I'd like to say I agree with Fishy.

I should probably stop here, but I like the sound of me typing, to wit.. every other post in here seems to read, "It's not the UConn I'm a fan of that sucks it's a bunch of importers wearing the same uniform that suck", or "holy shit that guy is a talentless hack". If you want to criticize someone that's fine but say something entertaining or informative because as a fan going to a website filled with like minded fans the negative nancy bullshit in here pisses me off. And I might add it also greatly detracts from the enjoyment I get as lurker(consider carefully the normal mindless drivel written in here to appreciate the gravity of that statement).

 

[bballgrda]

I actually wonder how this team would be with Coombs. We have gotten no offensive production from the 3.

 

[Huskybass]

Coombs was a bigger loss than you realize. Bro could help bust a zone better than anyone on this year's team.

 

[Gurleyman]

Jamal Coombs-McDaniel pretty much had wide open threes all season and hit 27 percent - he thought he was a much better player than he was. He did give us an excellent timeout, so he'll always have that for his UConn legacy. But I'd rather have Giffey getting those minutes now - he's a better player.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

Not quite. It means anything beyond that was exceeding expectations. Any team or fans who sets anything beyond a final four as expectations is in for a rough season and final four expectations should only be expected of teams that are great.

That 1999 team was great, it was an elite eight team the year before who had lost 5 games the year before and returned everyone who played any sort of major minutes in 1998. A final four was the expectation, the hope was a NC. It met expectations by beating Gonzaga in the elite eight. Beating OSU in the semi and Duke in the final was icing on the cake.

Fans and programs shouldn't expect Final Fours or National Championships every year, that is beyond unreasonable.

Hope/want a NC every year but don't expect one, that's just silly. Think about it, UK has all 7 NC's in about 65 years, that's roughly one every 9 years or so. UCLA has 10 but hasn't won one in 17 years. Indiana has all 5 but hasn't won one in 25 years. Kansas has 5 in 90 years. Duke has all 4 in 20 years or one every 5. UNC has all 6 since 1924 (or all 5 since 1957). UConn has 3 in 15 years. No team will ever be UCLA of the 1960's-1970's.

That said, this team is not playing as well as it could. The Shabbier stuff is uncalled for and just plain dickish.

It is just silly and incredibly immature. To claim to be a fan and call our players names is pathetic. I would suggest trying to save The Boneyard by some surgery. I'm amazed to say that Fishy is much more tolerant than I would be at this point in time.

 

[dogpause]

Since this is a public message board on the world wide internet thing I am entitled to complain about Shabbier and you are entitled to respond unintelligibly. Other than that I have no sense of entitlement. I hope nothing more that Shabazz turns it around but right now I have my doubts.

My namesake comes from a year when we were nowhere near where we are today and when expectations were far less.

If you want to criticize Napier's perfromance, go ahead. IMO, that's fair. Anyone who plays big time sports, even college kids, can expect to have their play criticized by fans. However, the childish name calling makes you look like an immature ass. Take the high road next time.

 

[dogpause]

They suffered growing pains, but by this point in their second year, Kemba, AJ, MW were all the undisputed leader and were providing positive value for their teams.

Maybe we've just been spoiled with excellent point guards over the last 10 years, but Shabazz is clearly not prepared to take that mantle.

I could be wrong, but the three PG's you listed all had a full year at the helm by the time they were sophomores. Also, while "leadership" is measured subjectively, usually either the captain (Alex) or the team's best player (Jeremy) is looked to for leadership. Neither of them are doing their job as well as expected, and neither have taken a leadership role. Although in fairness, Alex did step up recently.

Shabazz has not been great, but I think it's unfair to expect him to be the leader of this team. It's also wrong to question his desire or his effort. Being the PG means you steer the ship, not command it. Finally, it's obvious that Boat is more talented than Shabazz, but he hasn't officially been give the title of leader yet. Once that happens, it may help Shabazz, who can once again play a supporting role. Right now, we're a team that wants for leadership on the floor, but also from the bench.

 

[caw]

I could be wrong, but the three PG's you listed all had a full year at the helm by the time they were sophomores. Also, while "leadership" is measured subjectively, usually either the captain (Alex) or the team's best player (Jeremy) is looked to for leadership. Neither of them are doing their job as well as expected, and neither have taken a leadership role. Although in fairness, Alex did step up recently.

Shabazz has not been great, but I think it's unfair to expect him to be the leader of this team. It's also wrong to question his desire or his effort. Being the PG means you steer the ship, not command it. Finally, it's obvious that Boat is more talented than Shabazz, but he hasn't officially been give the title of leader yet. Once that happens, it may help Shabazz, who can once again play a supporting role. Right now, we're a team that wants for leadership on the floor, but also from the bench.

None of them did. Marcus missed the second semester his freshman year and had Taliek there his first semester. Kemba had AJ ahead of him. AJ had Marcus (though AJ didn't play until Marcus was gone due to health/laptops).

That said, Napier's first year as a full time PG was on par statistically with anyone at UConn since 1996-1997 (I couldn't find Ollie or Sheffer's stats, or I would go back further) but maybe El Amin.

 

[dogpause]

Geez, I didn't think I could be that wrong. LOL

 

[caw]

Everyone makes mistakes. God knows I do.

 

[mauconnfan]

yes I am speaking for myself but everyone from the school, to the coaches, to the players to the fans all expect UCONN to compete for national championships each and every year especially coming off a title with almost everyone back and adding Drummond.You think John Wooden and UCLA were satisfied when they won 8 championships in a row.[/quot

I knew you were a dope magic man but to compare any program to UCLA in the 60-70's makes me realize you're an idiot. Ever hear of parity pal? YOu are an out of control fan who actually think he knows something...........you don't.