The Summitt...

[triaddukefan]

If it would make you feel better, we can rough you up a bit.

One of my two all time favorite basketball players... and one of the 5 best players in college basketball history...... Talking bout Laettner .... not the bum in the picture

 

[HuskyNan]

One of my two all time favorite basketball players... and one of the 5 best players in college basketball history...... Talking bout Laettner .... not the bum in the picture

Don't look! Avert your eyes!

 

[HuskyNan]

Just curious can someone fill me in on the FBI thing with dd? PM if it is more appropriate. Thanks.

My understanding of the incident is this: the Summit mod wrote a pay-for article and posted a link to the article on the Summit's then-free board. doggydaddy clicked on the link and was able to read the article. He then posted the link on the Boneyard and UConn fans were able to read the article. Apparently, the mod has some relative that's either a lawyer or in law enforcement. This person told the mod that dd had violated Federal law, not by copying and pasting a copyrighted article, oh no, but by simply posting the link. Apparently that was verboten so the mod said she was going to report dd to the FBI.

This was a classic case of using a sledge hammer to kill a mosquito (no offense intended, dd). The thought of simply asking dd, JS, Biff or me to take down the link apparently never crossed the mod's mind.

 

[doggydaddy]

My understanding of the incident is this: the Summit mod wrote a pay-for article and posted a link to the article on the Summit's then-free board. doggydaddy clicked on the link and was able to read the article. He then posted the link on the Boneyard and UConn fans were able to read the article. Apparently, the mod has some relative that's either a lawyer or in law enforcement. This person told the mod that dd had violated Federal law, not by copying and pasting a copyrighted article, oh no, but by simply posting the link. Apparently that was verboten so the mod said she was going to report dd to the FBI.

This was a classic case of using a sledge hammer to kill a mosquito (no offense intended, dd). The thought of simply asking dd, JS, Biff or me to take down the link apparently never crossed the mod's mind.

Close, but not exactly, Nan.

I had the premium access from the old Boneyard site. I paid $99 a year and it game me premium access to other fan sites as well.

I was reading an article on the Tennessee site and it had a link to a press conference after a tough TN loss. I posted the link on the Boneyard. It wasn't the premium article, but a link in that article to a public event. It was posted on youtube and was not secured in any way.

Maria, the TN mod and author of the article and owner of the video went nuts. She got advice from her sister, the lawyer and she actually called the FBI on me. I'm sure they hung up on her as no one ever contacted me.

The Boneyard took down my link, but they had a 30-40 post thread trashing me for my "illegal" post.

The issue was Maria thought she posted it in a secure site, but she didn't. I did nothing wrong, but boy, they had a great time with it on The Summitt.

 

[Bestiarius]

Now that the Summitt is no longer readily available I’ve been cogitating just what this will mean regarding our relationship with Lady Vol fans. I think, for the most part, it will be improved.
It was stated earlier in this thread that there were some “really nice folks” at the Summitt. That statement was met with little agreement. In my opinion, there are some nice folks, but they don’t post. Why? Because they aren’t tolerated.
As I see it, the Summitt, is ruled by a gang of about 20 posters who have iron fisted control over what goes on there. They are lead by a moderator or two that support the gang’s agenda and in fact may be part of the gang leadership. This is equivalent to a neighborhood gang that terrorizes the good people in a community.
Many times I’ve seen a Vol fan poster say something nice about an opposing school only to be verbally abused and branded a troll or worse. This engenders a reluctance to post in the future. Unless posters are sycophants, they don’t treat their own fans any better than the fans of other schools.
Now that we won’t be viewing the vitriol, our attitude toward Tenn might be less reactionary. Perhaps too, there will be less negativity on the Summitt because the thrill in writing something nasty is lessened if the target never sees it.

 

[JS]

The issue was Maria thought she posted it in a secure site, but she didn't. I did nothing wrong, but boy, they had a great time with it on The Summitt.

That's about it. The link to the video was in a copyrighted article, but the video wasn't password or otherwise protected. So anyone anywhere who knew the link, which DD had posted here, could watch the video. As a result of this incident, Maria found a more secure host for the videos intended only for her premium subscribers.

For our part, we exercise care about copyrighted materials. Links to such materials posted on the internet are OK, as are brief quotations with acknowledgement. Wholesale reproduction of large parts, or all, of a copyrighted piece are not OK. We post reminders of these rules from time to time.

In this case, there was a specific precedent raising the issue. DD had posted a large excerpt from an article on the Lady Vols. I inquired where it came from, and he said from the Tennessee premium site. I took the article down. Writers are entitled to be paid for premium content, and they can't allow it to be disseminated for free by their subscribers to non-subscribers.

When this linked video episode came along, however, we had no reason to take any particular note of it. It was just a link to YouTube. For her part, Maria viewed it as a repeat offense by DD and reacted strongly both on her board and by filing an FBI complaint. She withdrew the complaint shortly thereafter, which is why, DD, you never heard anything.

We had some discussions with her at the time as to how we could communicate better if a problem arose on one of the boards.

For the record, and I hate to put even a slight damper on the Boneyard hilarity in this matter, the involvement of the FBI with intellectual property theft is not preposterous, although such involvement in a case like this would be in that realm.

Copyright infringements are generally dealt with in civil lawsuits. Here's a discussion by the Copyright Office, which is probably more than most people want to know. The relevant point in that discussion is that there are two units of the FBI that do investigate intellectual property crimes.

While one can call the local FBI office and be routed, there is also an Internet Crime Complaint Center which allows one to file a complaint online. I believe this is what Maria did.

Complaints filed in this manner are mainly aimed at triggering investigations of consumer fraud. A criminal infringement matter involving the FBI would likely involve product patent or trademark infringement, especially international, to the potential detriment of consumers.

As far as videos, the FBI has been involved with large-scale movie piracy.

One supposes a complaint involving video of a Lady Vols press conference, allegedly "pirated" by pointing to its location on the public YouTube, would be something less than a top priority for the Bureau. So for those inclined to giggle at the idea of FBI involvement in this case, to that extent they can feel free.

 

[HuskyNan]

For the record, and I hate to put even a slight damper on the Boneyard hilarity in this matter, the involvement of the FBI with intellectual property theft is not preposterous, although such involvement in a case like this would be in that realm.

Yes, indeedy. It would be like calling the police on the neighbor because the neighbor's dog barking annoys you. Unless the dog is a serial barker or the dog owner has a history of allowing the dog to bark, the police would most likely shrug off the complaint. Heaven forbid the neighbor call up the dog owner and ask nicely that the dog be taken in.

 

[connboy77]

Now that the Summitt is no longer readily available I’ve been cogitating just what this will mean regarding our relationship with Lady Vol fans. I think, for the most part, it will be improved.
It was stated earlier in this thread that there were some “really nice folks” at the Summitt. That statement was met with little agreement. In my opinion, there are some nice folks, but they don’t post. Why? Because they aren’t tolerated.
As I see it, the Summitt, is ruled by a gang of about 20 posters who have iron fisted control over what goes on there. They are lead by a moderator or two that support the gang’s agenda and in fact may be part of the gang leadership. This is equivalent to a neighborhood gang that terrorizes the good people in a community.
Many times I’ve seen a Vol fan poster say something nice about an opposing school only to be verbally abused and branded a troll or worse. This engenders a reluctance to post in the future. Unless posters are sycophants, they don’t treat their own fans any better than the fans of other schools.
Now that we won’t be viewing the vitriol, our attitude toward Tenn might be less reactionary. Perhaps too, there will be less negativity on the Summitt because the thrill in writing something nasty is lessened if the target never sees it.

Nice Post! The gang of 20+ posters should be called the gang of classlessness. Why individuals have to be so nasty I'll never know, but you are absolutely right when you say that they verbally abuse and brand trolls some of there own posters that don't go along with the party line.

 

[Tonyc]

They continue to prove beyond a shaddow of a doubt what kind of people they are. Its a wonder that parents allow their daughters to attend that program, if they only knew.

 

[HuskyNan]

They continue to prove beyond a shaddow of a doubt what kind of people they are. Its a wonder that parents allow their daughters to attend that program, if they only knew.

That's a little out there. UConn has its share of crazy fans, too. That doesn't scare girls away from the Huskies.

 

[doggydaddy]

That's about it. The link to the video was in a copyrighted article, but the video wasn't password or otherwise protected. So anyone anywhere who knew the link, which DD had posted here, could watch the video. As a result of this incident, Maria found a more secure host for the videos intended only for her premium subscribers.

For our part, we exercise care about copyrighted materials. Links to such materials posted on the internet are OK, as are brief quotations with acknowledgement. Wholesale reproduction of large parts, or all, of a copyrighted piece are not OK. We post reminders of these rules from time to time.

In this case, there was a specific precedent raising the issue. DD had posted a large excerpt from an article on the Lady Vols. I inquired where it came from, and he said from the Tennessee premium site. I took the article down. Writers are entitled to be paid for premium content, and they can't allow it to be disseminated for free by their subscribers to non-subscribers.

When this linked video episode came along, however, we had no reason to take any particular note of it. It was just a link to YouTube. For her part, Maria viewed it as a repeat offense by DD and reacted strongly both on her board and by filing an FBI complaint. She withdrew the complaint shortly thereafter, which is why, DD, you never heard anything.

We had some discussions with her at the time as to how we could communicate better if a problem arose on one of the boards.

For the record, and I hate to put even a slight damper on the Boneyard hilarity in this matter, the involvement of the FBI with intellectual property theft is not preposterous, although such involvement in a case like this would be in that realm.

Copyright infringements are generally dealt with in civil lawsuits. Here's a discussion by the Copyright Office, which is probably more than most people want to know. The relevant point in that discussion is that there are two units of the FBI that do investigate intellectual property crimes.

While one can call the local FBI office and be routed, there is also an Internet Crime Complaint Center which allows one to file a complaint online. I believe this is what Maria did.

Complaints filed in this manner are mainly aimed at triggering investigations of consumer fraud. A criminal infringement matter involving the FBI would likely involve product patent or trademark infringement, especially international, to the potential detriment of consumers.

As far as videos, the FBI has been involved with large-scale movie piracy.

One supposes a complaint involving video of a Lady Vols press conference, allegedly "pirated" by pointing to its location on the public YouTube, would be something less than a top priority for the Bureau. So for those inclined to giggle at the idea of FBI involvement in this case, to that extent they can feel free.

I totally agree that piracey of private content is something that the FBI needs to be involved with. I just want to make sure that everyone understands that:

1. I posted a link to a free site (youtube) and the content was not secured in any way.
2. Yes, I posted a piece of a premium article. And the board had no issues that is did that until Maria contacted JS, I believe and complained about it. While it might have been too much of the article, I believe Maria was upset because I used what she wrote to show how much of a shill she was/is for Tennessee. She wrote a scathing article on the referees in one particular game.
3. Maria went on and on about how I am a "serial copywrite infringer" based on the cut and paste from one article, and then the link to the video.
4. I have been posting on this board and it's reincarnations over time for 14 years. I understand posting articles and not the link is wrong. And I certainly understand premium content.

I just hate how I was made out to be the bad guy on this. I did NOTHING wrong and while she withdrew her FBI complaint, they would have laughed her out of the office based on the fact that the video was posted on a public site with no security.

They can have their own private little world with their fake threads about recruiting, their insults to Geno, UConn, me, Tony, and whoever else they deem inferior to their holier than thou program. It won't change the fact that they are petty, insecure, paranoid and overall moronic.

Maybe another 9-10 loss season will bring them some humility, but I doubt it.

 

[JS]

2. Yes, I posted a piece of a premium article. And the board had no issues that [ I] did that until Maria contacted JS, I believe and complained about it.

No, she didn't complain about that first instance. I took it down on my own. Although it lacked attribution (which is why I had to ask where it came from) and was longish, aside from those copyright issues I want to be clear that I just don't think people should quote from premium content on a free board at all.

One can't supply a link, and I'd rather not get into judgements about how long the quote is or whether it's adequately credited. I admire those who write for a living and prefer to leave it to them how they want to draw attention to what they wrote and seek compensation for it, right down to the last phrase.

Other than that, I have no quarrel with anything you said. And that, provided your final comments are confined to the group we'll call the "Bestiarius 20," is as inclusive as it sounds.

 

[justML]

And that, provided your final comments are confined to the group we'll call the "Bestiarius 20," is as inclusive as it sounds.

LOVE!!!

 

[doggydaddy]

No, she didn't complain about that first instance. I took it down on my own. Although it lacked attribution (which is why I had to ask where it came from) and was longish, aside from those copyright issues I want to be clear that I just don't think people should quote from premium content on a free board at all.

Thanks for clarifying, JS.

 

[doggydaddy]

Many times I’ve seen a Vol fan poster say something nice about an opposing school only to be verbally abused and branded a troll or worse

Or worse....lol. That usually means being accused of a UConn fan, or worse, a boneyarder.

 

[Shenandoah]

I can hear the conversation at the FBI office, now...

"intellectual property theft ?"

"From the sumitt"?

"That's like stealing fashion ideas from the "people of Wal Mart""...

 

[FairView]

I feel cheated and left out. As an occasional Boneyard poster without the depth of basketball knowledge demonstrated by others in here, I have not been noticed by the Summitt. (Although I have had most of the few posts I tried making on the Summitt removed.) As a result, I don't have a cruel nickname. There isn't a single disparaging remark about my intellect of assumed background -- even my mother remains unscathed. I am beginning a campaign to change that. And I am starting it now:
"Tyler's mother wears army boots."
"'Thompson Boling' is Latin for Insane Asylum."
"Orange is the white flag of defense."
"Who knew 'volunteer' was a strategy for leaving the NCAAs early?"

 

[JS]

"intellectual property theft ?"

"From the sumitt"?

There are plenty of thefts that leave a room empty.

Thefts from a room that's already empty are more of a challenge.

 

[grizz36]

I feel cheated and left out. As an occasional Boneyard poster without the depth of basketball knowledge demonstrated by others in here, I have not been noticed by the Summitt. (Although I have had most of the few posts I tried making on the Summitt removed.) As a result, I don't have a cruel nickname. There isn't a single disparaging remark about my intellect of assumed background -- even my mother remains unscathed. I am beginning a campaign to change that. And I am starting it now:
"Tyler's mother wears army boots."
"'Thompson Boling' is Latin for Insane Asylum."
"Orange is the white flag of defense."
"Who knew 'volunteer' was a strategy for leaving the NCAAs early?"

I have always refrained from visiting or contributing to the Summitt for fear that my ego might be bruised by the lack of being insulted.

 

[Phil]

Speaking of copyright, I do try to respect copyright, (even though some of the rules are insane).

It's hilarious that the Summitt had their knickers in a twist over a copyright issue. A few years ago a poster, I think it was a mod, posted something that looked like it was stolen from elsewhere.

I questioned it, and the poster ripped me a new one, explaining loudly that she has arranged for permission to reprint the material, and I was a blankety blank blank for even daring to question her ethics. I wrote to the author, who told me no such permission had been given, or even requested. In other words, she was simply lying through her teeth, and betting I wouldn't check.

I've said before, and I'll say it again. Not everyone who posts at the Summitt is lying piece of scum, and the entire community should not be tainted with the bad behavior of some.

 

[JS]

Not everyone who posts at the Summitt is [a] lying piece of scum

Daring statement of the month. And one that can readily be proved. All I have
to do is name you a Summitteer who isn't a lying piece of scum.

For example, there's . . . wait a minute. Not him.

I'm thinking. Hold on . . . Aha. You know who isn't a lying piece of scum? It's --

oops, there was that time . . . Hmm . . .

I've got it! The one who isn't a lying piece of scum is . . .

Drat. He really is. Hold on . . .

Umm . . . well, that one's a blatant liar, but piece of scum? Huh. No more than
the surface of your average stagnant pond in August . . .

Hmm. Maybe her. Scummy as can be, but did she ever outright lie?

Well , yeah, there was the bit about Geno and the paper bag full of cash,
but otherwise . . . oh cripes, there was also the Diana driving a taxi
while on hard drugs, but . . .

OK Phil. I'll take your proposition on faith for now. May have more support
for you after giving it a little more thought.

 

[cardfan]

I totally agree that piracey of private content is something that the FBI needs to be involved with. I just want to make sure that everyone understands that:

1. I posted a link to a free site (youtube) and the content was not secured in any way.
2. Yes, I posted a piece of a premium article. And the board had no issues that is did that until Maria contacted JS, I believe and complained about it. While it might have been too much of the article, I believe Maria was upset because I used what she wrote to show how much of a shill she was/is for Tennessee. She wrote a scathing article on the referees in one particular game.
3. Maria went on and on about how I am a "serial copywrite infringer" based on the cut and paste from one article, and then the link to the video.
4. I have been posting on this board and it's reincarnations over time for 14 years. I understand posting articles and not the link is wrong. And I certainly understand premium content.

I just hate how I was made out to be the bad guy on this. I did NOTHING wrong and while she withdrew her FBI complaint, they would have laughed her out of the office based on the fact that the video was posted on a public site with no security.

They can have their own private little world with their fake threads about recruiting, their insults to Geno, UConn, me, Tony, and whoever else they deem inferior to their holier than thou program. It won't change the fact that they are petty, insecure, paranoid and overall moronic.

Maybe another 9-10 loss season will bring them some humility, but I doubt it.

#2 referred to the refs at Maples in Dec. game- after we beat them by 17 pts and Nneka hung 42 on them too. Even though both teams were called for 16 fouls and Stranford outplayed them, it HAD to be the refs. Their crying about refs is so ridiculous given they benefited from homer refs at TBA and NCAAs for many years vs. Stanford. They set the tone to play maul ball, so we did vs being soft. Cry me a river.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Cardfan

If you had your druthers, would you prefer that Stanford's fan board be open to everyone or a premium site like it is now? Periodically I've been a member over the years, and find the existing Stanford board limited in the number of posters and opinions which I find a drawback to continuing a subscription.

 

[cardfan]

Cardfan

If you had your druthers, would you prefer that Stanford's fan board be open to everyone or a premium site like it is now? Periodically I've been a member over the years, and find the existing Stanford board limited in the number of posters and opinions which I find a drawback to continuing a subscription.

I'd prefer it to be open, but understand the economic realities of having to charge. Free or paid, our board is a small number of posters and there is not much activity compared to other boards. The Bootleg is more civil now, sans one fan, but kind of boring too. I enjoy reading the Cardboard, which is free. I don't pay in the summer as i like to take a break from bball.

 

[Bestiarius]

Speaking of copyright, I do try to respect copyright, (even though some of the rules are insane).

Not everyone who posts at the Summitt is lying piece of scum,....

See, they've only been gone for a couple of days and already we're starting to see positive comments about the Summitt on this board.

 

[doggydaddy]

Daring statement of the month. And one that can readily be proved. All I have
to do is name you a Summitteer who isn't a lying piece of scum.

For example, there's . . . wait a minute. Not him.

I'm thinking. Hold on . . . Aha. You know who isn't a lying piece of scum? It's --

oops, there was that time . . . Hmm . . .

I've got it! The one who isn't a lying piece of scum is . . .

Drat. He really is. Hold on . . .

Umm . . . well, that one's a blatant liar, but piece of scum? Huh. No more than
the surface of your average stagnant pond in August . . .

Hmm. Maybe her. Scummy as can be, but did she ever outright lie?

Well , yeah, there was the bit about Geno and the paper bag full of cash,
but otherwise . . . oh cripes, there was also the Diana driving a taxi
while on hard drugs, but . . .

OK Phil. I'll take your proposition on faith for now. May have more support
for you after giving it a little more thought.

Wow...you really are a .

 

[doubledees]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=7&f=1373&t=9090475&p=4

Jesus......

Interesting comments from the Louisville board pertaining to Geno, Angel, and Maya Moore. InRussWeTruss, i'm sorry, Louisville, the name you use here on the boneyard, I consider this being two-faced. Shame! Shame!

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=3733&t=9139973&stm=123490942

 

[speedoo]

Interesting comments from the Louisville board pertaining to Geno, Angel, and Maya Moore. InRussWeTruss, i'm sorry, Louisville, the name you use here on the boneyard, I consider this being two-faced. Shame! Shame!

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=3733&t=9139973&stm=123490942

Looks like some Louisville fans have learned well from LV fans. Where else would they find garbage like that?

 

[vtcwbuff]

Pied Piper Cornelius realizes her dream. She can spew her hate and paranoia and accusations without challenge because there will be nothing but lemmings reading them. All the while getting paid for it. I wonder if she will still have to beg for "travel funds."

Christ, I hope she doesn't report me to the FBI for this.

 

[HuskyNan]

Looks like some Louisville fans have learned well from LV fans. Where else would they find garbage like that?

Nah, you can't learn to be an idiot - people are usually born that way. I guess they could be more susceptible to dumb stuff that's repeated ad nauseum, though. Scary to think these people can vote.