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As poorly as he played early in the round, has certainly made up for it. Completely manned up to finish this off.
 
Speith is an amazing golfer- barring any catastrophic event(s) has the very ideal chance to be the best ever
 
Incredible finish by Speith, a Open championship well deserved.
 
I don't know what the exact right answer is but you can't let someone take 25-27 minutes to hit. Makes a mockery of the sport.

If he is tied for the lead but not the last group can you stand there all day like you are directing scenes in La La Land?

He should have been gonged off the course and no one with the R&A was even interested in forcing him to make a decision or hit the damn ball.

Kuchar is way too nice. I would have set the fairway on fire and pissed on his ball.

Kuchar is kneeling on a towel like Speith was getting carted off with a neck injury. He should have been firing balls at him.
 
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whaler11 said:
I don't know what the exact right answer is but you can't let someone take 25-27 minutes to hit. Makes a mockery of the sport.

If he is tied for the lead but not the last group can you stand there all day like you are directing scenes in La La Land?

He should have been gonged off the course and no one with the R&A was even interested in forcing him to make a decision or hit the damn ball.

Kuchar is way too nice. I would have set the fairway on fire and pissed on his ball.
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If he was not in the last group he would have been put on the clock in the front 9. He took 58 seconds over a 2 foot putt on the 8th hole I believe.
 
Jerry1714 said:
If he was not in the last group he would have been put on the clock in the front 9. He took 58 seconds over a 2 foot putt on the 8th hole I believe.
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This is just going to get ignored because everyone involved wants Speith to win but it's a joke.
 
whaler11 said:
He should have been gonged off the course and no one with the R&A was even interested in forcing him to make a decision or hit the damn ball.
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Right. Because most people watching the game want to see players hit the best shots they can hit, not be forced into a shot - particularly when it's the last group at the biggest event.
There have been 3 penalties on the PGA tour in 20 years for time violation.
So the applied rule is that there is no rule with teeth.

I am surprised and very happy about the Spieth hate some people have shown.

Guy is doing everything right and he's not a P.O.S. human being like Woods, and some people already hate the guy.

Better yet, some people are already saying that's "he's no Tiger."

Yeah, be cautious with that prophecy - it may end up just like one where Tiger was going to win the most majors ever.

Spieth is an awesome golfer, and the most interesting thing to happen to golf since Tiger ended his career getting 9-ironed by his hot nordic wife.

SWEET!
 
MadDogRevival said:
Right. Because most people watching the game want to see players hit the best shots they can hit, not be forced into a shot - particularly when it's the last group at the biggest event.
There have been 3 penalties on the PGA tour in 20 years for time violation.
So the applied rule is that there is no rule with teeth.

I am surprised and very happy about the Spieth hate some people have shown.

Guy is doing everything right and he's not a P.O.S. human being like Woods, and some people already hate the guy.

Better yet, some people are already saying that's "he's no Tiger."

Yeah, be cautious with that prophecy - it may end up just like one where Tiger was going to win the most majors ever.

Spieth is an awesome golfer, and the most interesting thing to happen to golf since Tiger ended his career getting 9-ironed by his hot nordic wife.

SWEET!
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You like Speith so he gets his own rules. Solid analysis. Thanks.
 
whaler11 said:
You like Speith so he gets his own rules. Solid analysis. Thanks.
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It's not his own set of rules. It wasn't an unprecedented event. Tiger hitting a ball on the roof of the club house wasn't resolved in a few minutes. Sure it wasn't a major, but this from ESPN: Figuring out where Woods should drop took so long that the group behind his was told to play through.
They want to get it right and the clock basically stops for extraordinary situations. He wasn't purposely wasting time - he was asking for rulings and figuring out where he could play from.

He certainly can't hit the ball before the officials figure it out.
 
Jerry1714 said:
If he was not in the last group he would have been put on the clock in the front 9. He took 58 seconds over a 2 foot putt on the 8th hole I believe.
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Apparently you don't watch golf very often. It is EXTREMELY rare to get put on the clock. Even with all the delays and the 20 minute shot they played in exactly 4 hours. The average hacker playing fast in a cart doesn't play that fast, so let's keep it all in perspective.
 
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whaler11 said:
You like Speith so he gets his own rules. Solid analysis. Thanks.
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I wasn't watching but you guys are saying Spieth took 25 minutes to hit a shot. I would imagine he broke a rule or if golf let's you take close to a half hour to hit shots that's on golf. Sounds like it's a golf problem and no rule was broken.
 
jleves said:
It's not his own set of rules. It wasn't an unprecedented event. Tiger hitting a ball on the roof of the club house wasn't resolved in a few minutes. Sure it wasn't a major, but this from ESPN: Figuring out where Woods should drop took so long that the group behind his was told to play through.
They want to get it right and the clock basically stops for extraordinary situations. He wasn't purposely wasting time - he was asking for rulings and figuring out where he could play from.

He certainly can't hit the ball before the officials figure it out.
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LOL. Yeah sure. That's what happened here - poor Jordan didn't get clarity on the rules fast enough to make a decision. Then he didn't take 10-15 minutes to hit the ball after making his decision.

Speith purposely wastes time on every single hole he plays.

When someone is on the ropes and you give him a half hour to recover because he is favored by the organizations you taint your events even if only a small percentage of people realize it.
 
superjohn said:
I wasn't watching but you guys are saying Spieth took 25 minutes to hit a shot. I would imagine he broke a rule or if golf let's you take close to a half hour to hit shots that's on golf. Sounds like it's a golf problem and no rule was broken.
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That's my point they allowed him 27 minutes because if who he is - in a critical moment when he was melting and it allowed him to regain his composure.

It would be like giving someone a 10 minute time out in NCAA tourney game when they are on the wrong end of a 9-0 run.
 
whaler11 said:
That's my point they allowed him 27 minutes because if who he is - in a critical moment when he was melting and it allowed him to regain his composure.

It would be like giving someone a 10 minute time out in NCAA tourney game when they are on the wrong end of a 9-0 run.
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Are there no rules about time between shots? If there are why doesn't Kuchar or someone else just challenge that the rule was broken.
 
whaler11 said:
LOL. Yeah sure. That's what happened here - poor Jordan didn't get clarity on the rules fast enough to make a decision. Then he didn't take 10-15 minutes to hit the ball after making his decision.

Speith purposely wastes time on every single hole he plays.

When someone is on the ropes and you give him a half hour to recover because he is favored by the organizations you taint your events even if only a small percentage of people realize it.
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You are probably right. That 23 minutes or so where he was moving crowds, running up and down a huge hill and getting ready to hit a totally blind shot over a 35 foot high mound to a green protected with pot bunkers from 240 yards with his Open Championship on the line were quite calming.
 
In short this the perfect Boneyard thread:

A message board that is clogged with complaints that schools like Kentucky and North Carolina as well as coaches like Cal and Pitino are given special dispensation by their governing organizations having no problem with that same type of favoritism when it's shown for their horse.

I look forward to the next 10 page thread crying about the APR or Syracuse's lack of sanctions. It will stand as a nice reminder that many only have a problem with the NCAA because they don't play the same favorites they do.
 
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jleves said:
You are probably right. That 23 minutes or so where he was moving crowds, running up and down a huge hill and getting ready to hit a totally blind shot over a 35 foot high mound to a green protected with pot bunkers from 240 yards with his Open Championship on the line were quite calming.
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So he could have hit the same shot in 5 minutes? Why didn't he do it then? The amount of time he was allowed wasn't an advantage? Just stop - that's ridiculous.
 
superjohn said:
Are there no rules about time between shots? If there are why doesn't Kuchar or someone else just challenge that the rule was broken.
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You'd have to ask Kuchar why he sat on a knee in the fairway like a moron while it unfolded. Then accepted Speith's half-arsed apology with a big smile. The only surprise after it unfolded was that he didn't lose by more.
 
whaler11 said:
So he could have hit the same shot in 5 minutes?
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No, he couldn't. He was waiting on rulings. He hit the ball within 60 seconds of the official telling him where the drop spot was. He can't hit the ball before then. And again, it's not remotely unprecedented.
 
whaler11 said:
You'd have to ask Kuchar why he sat on a knee in the fairway like a moron while it unfolded. Then accepted Speith's half-arsed apology with a big smile. The only surprise after it unfolded was that he didn't lose by more.
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Sounds like a problem with golf. Just one of the reasons I find the sport boring and tedious, way too many rules. Sounds like it took a half hour because it was a rules debate and Spieth broke no rules. Not sure why you're going off on Spieth and not the tour.
 
whaler11 said:
So he could have hit the same shot in 5 minutes? Why didn't he do it then? The amount of time he was allowed wasn't an advantage? Just stop - that's ridiculous.
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There's a reason these guys take their time when it involves rules interpretation (which is what caused this delay). Go back and look at the 2010 PGA...if Dustin Johnson had taken more time and asked someone about his lie, he would've won that tournament. Kuchar wasn't upset because he knew this could have just as easily happened to him...it's part of the game. For those of you comparing golf to basketball, just stop you're making yourselves look stupid.
 
jleves said:
No, he couldn't. He was waiting on rulings. He hit the ball within 60 seconds of the official telling him where the drop spot was. He can't hit the ball before then. And again, it's not remotely unprecedented.
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So like I said the R&A was in the wrong?

They invented the rules but don't know them. Makes sense.

How long did they let Speith look at the initial lie? Yeah no chance for him to calm down knowing that he was never going to play that shot.
 
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Fishy said:
He's was not waiting on rulings; he was looking for the best place to take the drop.

If anyone is saying that what happened today is routine, they're wrong.
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What rule was broken?
 
Spieth's mid-round recovery makes the win even more impressive. Very few players have the ability to spin around a round of golf. Rory did it on day 1. Went out +5 on front nine and shot -4 on the back.

Those last five holes by Spieth will forever be a part of golf lore and legend and will be talked about 50 years from now much like Arnie charge Cherry Hills in the 1960 US Open and Jack's back 9 in 1986 at Augusta.
 
superjohn said:
What rule was broken?
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It wasn't a broken rule; he knew he had a one stroke penalty. The rules of golf give players multiple options on unplayable lies. A reality is that the equipment staged on a golf course including the grand stands, TV equipment and other gear make for complicated situations no one outside the pros have to deal with for decisions.
 
Chin Diesel said:
It wasn't a broken rule; he knew he had a one stroke penalty. The rules of golf give players multiple options on unplayable lies. A reality is that the equipment staged on a golf course including the grand stands, TV equipment and other gear make for complicated situations no one outside the pros have to deal with for decisions.
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Exactlty, that's why I don't understand what Whaler and Fishy are arguing. I don't watch much golf but have watched enough to see when a player hits it in a really strange spot there is all sorts of different scenarios discussed and you better have the rules officals out there with you to discuss every possible rule.

I've heard of and seen guys lose tournaments because they didn't take enough time with officials and not knowing the long and complicated rule book. I saw Dustin Johnson lose a major for grounding his club in a sand trap when the entire course was one big sand trap.
 
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