Steven Enoch (Committed to UConn) | Page 34 | The Boneyard

Steven Enoch (Committed to UConn)

Status
Not open for further replies.
caw said:
ESPN has been low on him for awhile. 24-7 and Rivals have him in the 60s or higher. I forget what scout has him as.
Expand ...

247 has him at 35, Rivals has him at 61, Scout at 67, yeah, ESPN is the dumb one here.
 
Who cares? He's 65th on rivals and 35th on 247, two sites with much more insight to give on college basketball prospects. Ollie knows how talented Enoch is, and regardless of his ranking, I trust that he's going to prove people who doubt him wrong.

Also, bigs with low post moves/footwork often have an impact sooner than raw, weaker finesse guys like Facey. If he can limit his fouls, he can have an impact sooner than people think IMO.
 
Enoch isn't going to come in and make an instant impact. I'd be surprised if he even averaged 5 PPG this year. However, once Brimah, Facey, and Nolan are gone and Enoch is a junior, he'll be a stud. It will take him some time to develop but he will turn out to be a very good player.
 
.-.
Facey and Enoch should improve dramatically going up against Brimah and Miller everyday in practice. Big guys that don't play hard and smart won't see the floor this year. Last year that wasn't the case.
 
JimOllie said:
Enoch isn't going to come in and make an instant impact. I'd be surprised if he even averaged 5 PPG this year. However, once Brimah, Facey, and Nolan are gone and Enoch is a junior, he'll be a stud. It will take him some time to develop but he will turn out to be a very good player.
Expand ...
I think the only reason he doesn't average 5ppg is that he doesn't get enough minutes. His offensive game is ahead of his defensive game at this time. As we know KO will take out players in a heartbeat even if they are scoring if they aren't playing bad D. Also, with all the depth up front it is going to make it hard for him to see much time. I do think he has the skills to average 5-7PPG if he gets the minutes. The question is will he get the minutes based on depth and his defense(he needs to step up this part of his game to see the floor).
 
3rdbass said:
I think the only reason he doesn't average 5ppg is that he doesn't get enough minutes. His offensive game is ahead of his defensive game at this time. As we know KO will take out players in a heartbeat even if they are scoring if they aren't playing bad D. Also, with all the depth up front it is going to make it hard for him to see much time. I do think he has the skills to average 5-7PPG if he gets the minutes. The question is will he get the minutes based on depth and his defense(he needs to step up this part of his game to see the floor).
Expand ...

That's the problem. I don't think he'll get the minutes. Facey will most likely be backing up Miller and Nolan will most likely be backing up Brimah. I think Enoch sees maybe 15 minutes per game this year. But he will develop and learn from the upperclassmen.
 
JimOllie said:
That's the problem. I don't think he'll get the minutes. Facey will most likely be backing up Miller and Nolan will most likely be backing up Brimah. I think Enoch sees maybe 15 minutes per game this year. But he will develop and learn from the upperclassmen.
Expand ...
Enoch plays way more than Nolan this season. Guaranteed.
 
I get the sense that he's going to look lost on the defensive end, and be wildly inconsistent next year. He may have a game or two where he puts up 12 and 8 and then have others where he barely sees the floor. I'd look for major improvement between year 1 and 2.
 
Yankees32123 said:
Enoch plays way more than Nolan this season. Guaranteed.
Expand ...
I think he is more talented than Kelis Fisher coming in based on the game s I have watched but I think PN is going to play a lot especially if we see the one that played well for us at the end of last year. I think Kelis Fisher might see his time limited if SE comes in and shines. PN and SE are interchangeable as they both can play the 4-5.
 
.-.
Of the big men (Brimah, Nolan, Miller, Facey, Enoch), I see Enoch as being the only player of that group who can play both the center and PF positions.

Amida is strictly a center. Kelis Fisher and Miller are PF's, maybe SF's at times, but never centers. Nolan is arguably both a center and PF, but the reality is that he never plays PF alongside Amida.

Having the size and skillset to play both positions will make Enoch valuable. I see most of his PT next year at center, splitting the backup role with Nolan. But, every now and then I can see where KO will insert Enoch at PF alongside Amida when he wants to go big.

I expect to see Kelis Fisher fill the PF backup role when Miller swings to SF if DHam is in foul trouble or needs a blow.
 
Yankees32123 said:
Enoch plays way more than Nolan this season. Guaranteed.
Expand ...

I think they'll get similar run. Nolan's been here awhile and this is his last go round... If he's not already in the gym working on making this, his final year in a Husky uniform, the absolute best, I'd be shocked... He's going out with a bang... He gave us a lil taste with that baseline jumper he started to knock down late this past season... He should be finishing much better around the rim on clean up duty... Enoch should learn a lot, while playing , along side Nolan, Facey and Brimah.... hoping we can bring one more big to complete our frontcourt rotation....
 
Matrim55 said:
He started the last half-dozen games of the year at PF next to Amida, and flashed a decent 16-foot jumper. Against bigger teams I suspect he'll get his share of minutes at the 4, especially if his mobility is back.
Expand ...

For reasons of self-preservation of sanity, I mis-remembered Nolan starting those games.
 
Last edited:
MuchoDogYears said:
For reasons I can't recall, I mis-remembered Nolan starting those games.
Expand ...
It happens.

I think your general point stands, though - PN is likely to see the bulk of his minutes at the 5 this year. The exceptions will come against bigger teams like Cincy, SMU and maybe Maryland.

However it plays out, we certainly have much more experience and flexibility heading into 2015/16 than we did heading into 2014/15. Now we just need some luck with injuries, which was noticeably absent last season.
 
.-.
ktuck911 said:
I think they'll get similar run. Nolan's been here awhile and this is his last go round... If he's not already in the gym working on making this, his final year in a Husky uniform, the absolute best, I'd be shocked... He's going out with a bang... He gave us a lil taste with that baseline jumper he started to knock down late this past season... He should be finishing much better around the rim on clean up duty... Enoch should learn a lot, while playing , along side Nolan, Facey and Brimah.... hoping we can bring one more big to complete our frontcourt rotation....
Expand ...
We just signed Shonn Miller. Our front court is probably set. And I think you're way overestimating Nolan's offseason development. He will be serviceable at times, but the more he's on the bench the better.
 
Matrim55 said:
Last time he played a season without nursing a long-term injury he started for the national champions.
Expand ...
And he averaged about 14 minutes and 2 points during that tournament. I like Phil and I think he's a good locker room guy, but let's not pretend he's more than he is. He will come in and play solid D and maybe throw down a D-Ham lob and hit a jumper occasionally but thats about it. CallMeBruce said it all.
 
I don't see Nolan taking minutes away from Enoch or Facey in the reserve four/five spot - nice kid, will graduate on time, but is just overmatched completely at this level. He's a known-quantity at this stage of his career.

I'd expect his minutes to sink into the single digits.
 
Matrim55 said:
Last time he played a season without nursing a long-term injury he started for the national champions.
Expand ...


Nolan will never have good hands, he'll never be able to jump, and he's not a good rebounder (mostly because of these two deficiencies).

But if he can just do the little things consistently that he's capable of (put-backs, taking charges, playing good D, boxing out), then he can be a positive for the team.

One thing he can (must) improve on...protect the ball once he gets both hands on it. He can't continue to get stripped the way he has. That's something that can be learned..throw the elbows out, keep the ball high, widen your stance...I'm surprised he hasn't learned yet.
 
.-.
Love all the predictions on Phil. He will. He won't. He can't. I sincerely hope he does, and maybe gets to play international ball unlikely as it seems. I really thought the Rock was going to do something last year but he never got much PT. Really hope that Enoch doesn't go down that road. Miller is going to cut into their time but I'd rather see the rest go to Steve because of development and we have him for 3-4 years, and if somebody has to get their feelings hurt, then Phil. These guys all want the same thing and that is a lot of floor time.
 
Ollie has shown that he likes Nolan. He played 5 more minutes a game than Facey over the last 10 games of the regular season, which isn't an insignificant amount for bench players. I haven't seen enough of Enoch to get a feel for his defense, but if he gets caught on switches and misses rotations the way Facey does then Nolan will play more than him too.

I think it was @champs99and04 who brought that up first about Facey and some of UConn's other bigs, and when you look for it it's pretty noticeable.
 
Last edited:
Assuming miller and brimah combine for 50-60 minutes, then that leaves 20-30 at the 4 and 5. Miller might play some 3 in a big lineup and Hamilton might play some 4 in a small lineup. There aren't many minutes for the remaining 3 guys, so one of the 3 will likely only play in blowouts or during severe foul trouble. Nolan will probably be the odd man out.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
Ollie has shown that he likes Nolan. He played 5 more minutes a game than Facey over the last 10 games of the regular season, which isn't an insignificant amount for bench players. I haven't seen enough of Enoch to get a feel for his defense, but if he gets caught on switches and misses rotations the way Facey does then Nolan will play more than him too.

I think it was @champs99and04 who brought that up first about Facey and some of UConn's other bigs, and when you look for it it's pretty noticeable.
Expand ...

Ollie unquestionably likes Phil but Facey's play was deteriorating late in the season and then he got the concussion. Ollie really didn't have a choice but to turn to Phil over the last 10 games. When Phil got into foul trouble or was playing worse than normal, Ollie gave Rakim a shot by default due to the lack of depth inside.
 
CallMeBruce said:
So Nolan was hurt all year, too? Sometimes players are just bad, guys.
Expand ...

Phil was walking around in a soft cast on days off and playing nonetheless. The guy obviously isn't a key player but he will be fine as our 4th/5th big.

I think its a huge stretch to say he is completely overmatched versus D1 talent (Fishy) when he wasn't overmatched versus Payne. I am psyched we got Miller so Phil doesn't need to get much burn but I don't get this idea that he sucks on defense.
 
Phil is overmatched.

Forget his offense - it doesn't exist. It's actually hard to play the minutes he does and touch the ball as infrequently as he does.

When he does, thirty-percent of his possessions directly result in a turnover. He's invisible on the offensive glass. He played 15 minutes a game this year and converted four free throws. Four.

He is a sporadically effective defender, but by no means is he a good defensive player. He doesn't rebound, doesn't block shots and he doesn't keep people off the glass.

But at least he's prone to fouling. If you ever want to project his numbers over forty minutes, you can't - he'd foul out in 29.
 
.-.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,159
Messages
4,555,204
Members
10,438
Latest member
UConnheart


Top Bottom