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I don't see the downside of players wanting to come to UConn. It is the most ridiculous knock on our recruiting that keeps coming up on this board. We need more who have UConn as their dream school. And if most come from New England or NYC who cares.
 
imno1 said:
I don't see the downside of players wanting to come to UConn. It is the most ridiculous knock on our recruiting that keeps coming up on this board. We need more who have UConn as their dream school. And if most come from New England or NYC who cares.
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there's no downside for a player wanting to come to uconn... it's that if the player hasnt developed yet to the point that he can play in the next level and the coaching staff sees red flags
 
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Yep.

It's now a negative that UConn has a program that players aspire to go to. It would be a better if no one wanted to come to UConn and the staff had to expend energy convincing everyone that they should come to a school they don't want to be.
 
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Stairmaster said:
I really could've done without reading this. Feeds the narrative that Ollie didn't put in work to secure this class. Reading it on the BY is enough, it shouldn't be permeating the media.

Otherwise, surprisingly not-atrocious piece by Koonz.
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WTF are you talking about? The only thing you should worry about in that whole article is the lead photograph showing Enoch comitting a Brimah-like reaching foul going for a block!
 
UConnSwag11 said:
ok what are you saying? really don't get what you're saying about ollie not securing the class? that bc a recruit wants to go to uconn ollie has to offer them?
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I'm saying that I think it's bullshit that Ollie didn't put in the work. I am not one of the posters who thinks that this class doesn't count as a strong effort simply because they may have been uconn leans. I'm disappointed that Koonz didn't give the staff credit and chose to perpetuate the myth that Enoch was going here no matter what.
 
imno1 said:
I don't see the downside of players wanting to come to UConn. It is the most ridiculous knock on our recruiting that keeps coming up on this board. We need more who have UConn as their dream school. And if most come from New England or NYC who cares.
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Exactly. Go to the football forum and they're arguing the opposite.
 
Stairmaster said:
I'm saying that I think it's bull that Ollie didn't put in the work. I am not one of the posters who thinks that this class doesn't count as a strong effort simply because they may have been uconn leans. I'm disappointed that Koonz didn't give the staff credit and chose to perpetuate the myth that Enoch was going here no matter what.
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Got it. Your beef is with Koonz and not KO. Wasn't clear in your first post.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Exactly. Go to the football forum and they're arguing the opposite.
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UConn basketball and UConn football are two completely different animals on opposite sides of the spectrum, they literally cant be in the same sentence as each other.
 
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BUHusky10 said:
UConn basketball and UConn football are two completely different animals on opposite sides of the spectrum, they literally cant be in the same sentence as each other.
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whaler11 said:
LOL yeah that's a good summary.
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Funny the two divergent comments to my statement.

Talent is talent. I don't care where they come from. Get great players. There will be years local kids go elsewhere and all we can get is talent from other states. I can guarantee you this forum will have more than one poster start to question why can't we recruit locally. Recruiting goes through cycles.

There is a lot of bb and football talent in the NY and NE area. If we are protecting home turf, that isn't a small accomplishment.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Funny the two divergent comments to my statement.

Talent is talent. I don't care where they come from. Get great players. There will be years local kids go elsewhere and all we can get is talent from other states. I can guarantee you this forum will have more than one poster start to question why can't we recruit locally. Recruiting goes through cycles.

There is a lot of bb and football talent in the NY and NE area. If we are protecting home turf, that isn't a small accomplishment.
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When you get a chance let me know how UConn football is protecting their home turf in recruiting, I'd love to see that argument.

The strawman you built is weak by even Boneyard standards.
 
Gee............ a kid dies to go to UConn and some kill KO for that
 
Stairmaster said:
I'm saying that I think it's bull that Ollie didn't put in the work. I am not one of the posters who thinks that this class doesn't count as a strong effort simply because they may have been uconn leans. I'm disappointed that Koonz didn't give the staff credit and chose to perpetuate the myth that Enoch was going here no matter what.
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You and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but on this particular issue I think you're being touchy. Koonz saying Enoch loved UConn above all isn't the same thing as saying KO & staff didn't do a bunch of work to land him.
 
whaler11 said:
When you get a chance let me know how UConn football is protecting their home turf in recruiting, I'd love to see that argument.

The strawman you built is weak by even Boneyard standards.
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Reference was to bb recruiting and BU's POV. UConn is getting a top 30 and top 100 recruit from the region and people are upset that KO can't bring in recruits from other areas.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Reference was to bb recruiting and BU's POV. UConn is getting a top 30 and top 100 recruit from the region and people are upset that KO can't bring in recruits from other areas.
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I dont think thats what is being said here. I kind of find myself agreeing with @Stairmaster on this one. Hes not saying KO isnt putting in the work, but more so that those who do not believe there to be an issue with the current recruiting level of the program due to the signing of Adams (Top 30) and Enoch (Top 100), are referencing signings that are misleading.

Adams and Enoch both have been very vocal about their admiration for UConn and the program, essentially these guys SHOULD accept an offer from UConn with little selling from the staff. Meanwhile, outside of these two guys who have essentially stated themselves that they have been long time UConn locks, we have wiffed on every other recruit who did not necessarily have a "dream school" and required a bit of "selling" from the programs courting them. I believe that is what Stairmaster is saying (correct me if Im wrong), but I agree with him and also find it mildly concerning.

For a program with the support, history, tradition, and frankly outright dominance UConn has had in the last 30 years, we should carry a great deal of weight when our staff is out watching recruits or chasing guys on the trail, ESPECIALLY against lesser programs like VCU, UNLV or whoever else has been torching us as of late. Yet it seems UConn finds itself on the meaningless Top 10 lists of many recruits we seek, only to find ourselves cut for lesser schools when the recruits lists his Top 5. The possible reasons include: the staff is casting too wide of a net when it comes to targets making the recruits feel like an afterthought, KO is still inexperienced in the inner workings of high school recruiting and AAU connections having only been coaching at this level for 5-6 years, the deteriorating conference situation, negative recruiting from opposing coaches, or a lack of draw to the university due to weather and campus life not being very attractive. I think all of these factors each play small roles in what we are seeing, but I believe the APR sanctions really hurt us recruiting wise and put us in a hole that we see now, it will take work to get out of this slump but its necessary because it will only snowball as talent deficits will lead to further disappointing seasons which only push recruits away even more. That being said, I trust in KO and truly believe he is the guy for the job long term, we are lucky to have him.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Reference was to bb recruiting and BU's POV. UConn is getting a top 30 and top 100 recruit from the region and people are upset that KO can't bring in recruits from other areas.
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Sure thing. Your comment was the opposite is being argued on the football board and that isn't true.
 
BUHusky10 said:
I dont think thats what is being said here. I kind of find myself agreeing with @Stairmaster on this one. Hes not saying KO isnt putting in the work, but more so that those who do not believe there to be an issue with the current recruiting level of the program due to the signing of Adams (Top 30) and Enoch (Top 100), are referencing signings that are misleading.

Adams and Enoch both have been very vocal about their admiration for UConn and the program, essentially these guys SHOULD accept an offer from UConn with little selling from the staff. Meanwhile, outside of these two guys who have essentially stated themselves that they have been long time UConn locks, we have wiffed on every other recruit who did not necessarily have a "dream school" and required a bit of "selling" from the programs courting them. I believe that is what Stairmaster is saying (correct me if Im wrong), but I agree with him and also find it mildly concerning.

For a program with the support, history, tradition, and frankly outright dominance UConn has had in the last 30 years, we should carry a great deal of weight when our staff is out watching recruits or chasing guys on the trail, ESPECIALLY against lesser programs like VCU, UNLV or whoever else has been torching us as of late. Yet it seems UConn finds itself on the meaningless Top 10 lists of many recruits we seek, only to find ourselves cut for lesser schools when the recruits lists his Top 5. The possible reasons include: the staff is casting too wide of a net when it comes to targets making the recruits feel like an afterthought, KO is still inexperienced in the inner workings of high school recruiting and AAU connections having only been coaching at this level for 5-6 years, the deteriorating conference situation, negative recruiting from opposing coaches, or a lack of draw to the university due to weather and campus life not being very attractive. I think all of these factors each play small roles in what we are seeing, but I believe the APR sanctions really hurt us recruiting wise and put us in a hole that we see now, it will take work to get out of this slump but its necessary because it will only snowball as talent deficits will lead to further disappointing seasons which only push recruits away even more. That being said, I trust in KO and truly believe he is the guy for the job long term, we are lucky to have him.
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Thanks for clarifying. There are a lot of points you make that I agree with. Made many of them myself.

Question. Didn't UConn lose a couple of regional kids last recruiting season who claimed the school was their dream school? So if this year we kept two kids we were targeting from the region isn't that an improvement? I don't want to over play this but I don't want to down play it either.

I wonder if other schools lose kids who claim a school is their dream school. Point is I'm not sure that because a kid claims a school is his dream school, it's a given that he will automatically go to that school just because he receives an offer from that school. It certainly facilitates things but I'm sure the staff has to work as hard with them as any recruit to close the deal.

At the very least two players who could have gone to multiple other top schools put to rest that they were concerned about the conference or the coaches. Otherwise they would have done what the negative nellies believe is the case and found a home elsewhere.
 
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BUHusky10 said:
I dont think thats what is being said here. I kind of find myself agreeing with @Stairmaster on this one. Hes not saying KO isnt putting in the work, but more so that those who do not believe there to be an issue with the current recruiting level of the program due to the signing of Adams (Top 30) and Enoch (Top 100), are referencing signings that are misleading.

Adams and Enoch both have been very vocal about their admiration for UConn and the program, essentially these guys SHOULD accept an offer from UConn with little selling from the staff. Meanwhile, outside of these two guys who have essentially stated themselves that they have been long time UConn locks, we have wiffed on every other recruit who did not necessarily have a "dream school" and required a bit of "selling" from the programs courting them. I believe that is what Stairmaster is saying (correct me if Im wrong), but I agree with him and also find it mildly concerning.

For a program with the support, history, tradition, and frankly outright dominance UConn has had in the last 30 years, we should carry a great deal of weight when our staff is out watching recruits or chasing guys on the trail, ESPECIALLY against lesser programs like VCU, UNLV or whoever else has been torching us as of late. Yet it seems UConn finds itself on the meaningless Top 10 lists of many recruits we seek, only to find ourselves cut for lesser schools when the recruits lists his Top 5. The possible reasons include: the staff is casting too wide of a net when it comes to targets making the recruits feel like an afterthought, KO is still inexperienced in the inner workings of high school recruiting and AAU connections having only been coaching at this level for 5-6 years, the deteriorating conference situation, negative recruiting from opposing coaches, or a lack of draw to the university due to weather and campus life not being very attractive. I think all of these factors each play small roles in what we are seeing, but I believe the APR sanctions really hurt us recruiting wise and put us in a hole that we see now, it will take work to get out of this slump but its necessary because it will only snowball as talent deficits will lead to further disappointing seasons which only push recruits away even more. That being said, I trust in KO and truly believe he is the guy for the job long term, we are lucky to have him.
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My initial post was misinterpreted, I think I'm actually on the opposite side of the spectrum from you. I disagree with the notion that our problems with recruiting are because we only got UCONN leans in the early signing period. I don't like how Koonz portrayed Enoch as "only going to UCONN" because it feeds into the motif that is present here on the 'Yard that KO can't get a kid who doesn't already have UCONN as his dream school. Don't get me wrong, I don't think our recruiting is perfect, but the problems with it have nothing to do with the fact that JA and SE had taken a preexisting liking to UCONN.
 
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Enoch is looking a bit slow even against this competition.
 
I'm just curious if anyone knows a little bit about Enoch. Every report I read is different. What are his best skills and is it unreasonable to ask him to play a role in which he averages 15 to 20 mins. If he can rebound and shoot the 3 as some sites say he can maybe he can help space the floor.
 
Good one, has post up skills just needs to be stronger with his moves. Can bring the D out as he can shoot it out to the 3 line. Can rebound but will need to learn to box out once he's playing with the men. Think he's a fast learner so he will contribute immediately although how much is up to him.

Okay so here's something on coaching - Jere Quinn had Andre and he was still real raw and not fundamentally sound and it looks the same for Steve according to some. Does he teach anyone anything, seriously?
 
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