Ray Allen seeking protective order against UConn

[bballgrda]

Are you stalking me, freak? I have about 150 NBA posts in the last two months, and you found a single line out of a 4 paragraph post in a game thread where I say "will" instead of "might"? I backed off Cousins getting a max as soon as I was challenged on it, and there are like 20 posts where I call Cousins a fat pile of Spartacus.

You must have spent hours going through my posts to find that.

Yep, you have 150 posts on the NBA, most of which are awful takes. I read threads that interest me. I don't claim to be an expert on much of anything, but follow the NBA to some degree. I remember because I was the one who called you out on it. You didn't back off either.

Curry and Thompson were great last night. Thompson is one of the smartest, most fundamentally sound players in the NBA. Cousins looks out of shape, but with all the cap space around the league this summer, he will get a max deal.

You think Cousins will get a max deal?

I thought that when I was watching the game, but he really is a fat Spartacus. He looks more like a slow pitch softball player than an NBA player. He might not get max, but the numbers will be big.

IIRC he got a 3.5m one year deal.

 

[Zissou]

[QUOTE="Northbound, post: 3217539, member: 155”]If you suck at your job, do not get caught stealing computers out the back door then ask for severance and don't ask you're buddy to vouch for you.
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It’s more like you used the company photocopier for your passport before you went on vacation. Your mentor openly did it as do others, but it’s technically a violation.

Let’s not equate this to grand larceny.

It is selective treatment to try to take advantage of a clause to not pay the man. It’s bush league.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yep, you have 150 posts on the NBA, most of which are awful takes. I read threads that interest me. I don't claim to be an expert on much of anything, but follow the NBA to some degree. I remember because I was the one who called you out on it. You didn't back off either.





IIRC he got a 3.5m one year deal.

You didn't post a prediction in the NBA Offseason thread, so your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[Excalibur]

So if your client was being sued, you would go to the counterparty and volunteer all the incriminating information about your client? Good to know.

That might be the worst analogy in the history of analogies . . .

 

[bballgrda]

You didn't post a prediction in the NBA Offseason thread, so your opinion doesn't matter.

No arguments here. The amusing part is you thinking your opinion does. May I suggest you participate in this next year? Could be fun.

 

[mauconnfan]

Your attempt to insult my intelligence is duly noted.

Attempt at what? No need for that nor did I try. You've succeeded without effort with so many already on this thread. Well done!

 

[HuskyHawk]

That might be the worst analogy in the history of analogies . . .

Except for this one.

It’s more like you used the company photocopier for your passport before you went on vacation. Your mentor openly did it as do others, but it’s technically a violation.

Two complete duds back to back. Yeah, Ollie got a 3 year show cause for something equivalent to copying his passport.

It is true that if you absolute best, hall of fame performer, who built the company breaks a rule he will be treated differently than a guy who basically stops doing his job altogether for two years and laughs in the face of his bosses when they try to get him to change his erratic and irresponsible behavior. What is bush league is expecting the second guy to be treated like the first guy. There is no law or requirement anywhere that requires people who perform differently to be treated the same.

 

[CL82]

copy of your passport?

 

[Husky68]

copy of your passport?

Think he meant the passport photo.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Just so many assumptions in this thread. I do not think any of us were there. I have been deposed and it was quite contentious. Not a reach.

 

[Zissou]

Two complete duds back to back. Yeah, Ollie got a 3 year show cause for something equivalent to copying his passport.

Yes, it's in fact much closer to breaking a rule than felony grand larceny.

No crimes were committed. He broke a rule that would not normally even be looked into.

His employer worked with the prosecuting NCAA against him because they wanted to save $$$. He received the show cause because he did not cooperate.

 

[CL82]

Yes, it's in fact much closer to breaking a rule than felony grand larceny.

No crimes were committed. He broke a rule that would not normally even be looked into.

His employer worked with the prosecuting NCAA against him because they wanted to save $$$. He received the show cause because he did not cooperate.

... Uh, what "rule" do you think he broke? I'm just curious.

Are you okay with rule breaking in general, so long as it's not close to felony grand larceny?

Also you really believe that there was a massive conspiracy with UConn, its current president, its future president and its and AD, the NCAA, its investigators, and multiple witnesses? Are you sure that is what you are stumping for here.

 

[Zissou]

... Uh, what "rule" do you think he broke? I'm just curious.

Are you okay with rule breaking in general, so long as it's not close to felony grand larceny?

Also you really believe that there was a massive conspiracy with UConn, its current president, its future president and its and AD, the NCAA, its investigators, and multiple witnesses? Are you sure that is what you are stumping for here.

Well yeah, I think it is less of an issue to break a rule, by having RA talk to a recruit, than to steal computers out of the back of your company's warehouse. I'll absolutely stand by that. I didn't make the comparison to grand larceny. I'm refuting it.

It's fine that UConn fired KO. Are you saying if he won the conference and the NCAA title in his last year he still would have been fired? Of course he wouldn't. He might have had a hand slap, but probably not even that.

UConn turned on KO. It's nasty biz. KO must defend himself. They should have just fired him and paid him.

 

[Madmannsucks]

... Uh, what "rule" do you think he broke? I'm just curious.

Are you okay with rule breaking in general, so long as it's not close to felony grand larceny?

Also you really believe that there was a massive conspiracy with UConn, its current president, its future president and its and AD, the NCAA, its investigators, and multiple witnesses? Are you sure that is what you are stumping for here.

Here is my issue. I am speculating, by connecting the proverbial dots. Miller went to someone (AD??) and spun a tale(some of which I highly doubt). AD self reported these and used this to fire KO. GM was also a key witness or information provider in the NCAA hearing. Like everyone else on this board, I know this is a theory. I am not OK with the way it played out. I know I am not in the majority, by the minority is a substantial number.

 

[freescooter]

Ray Allen is an athletic booster at UConn - he's not allowed to pick up the phone and call recruits.

This whole kerfuffle started because Ray Allen and Kevin Ollie staged a coincidental call while Diallo was present.

It was typical Ollie “tiles don’t apply to me” nonsense

 

[CL82]

Here is my issue. I am speculating, by connecting the proverbial dots. Miller went to someone (AD??) and spun a tale(some of which I highly doubt). AD self reported these and used this to fire KO. GM was also a key witness or information provider in the NCAA hearing. Like everyone else on this board, I know this is a theory. I am not OK with the way it played out. I know I am not in the majority, by the minority is a substantial number.

Madman you kept saying "It's all alleged. Nothing has been decided by the NCAA, prior to the NCAA's decision. Don't you feel like it's a little inconsistent to say "Well now that they've made their decision, I'm going to disregard it?"

Keep in mind that UConn as institution that has been sanctioned before faces heightened risk when going back before the NCAA. That was why KO and other UConn coaches were advised of a zero tolerance policy toward NCAA violations. Do you really believe it is likely that the school would risk further sanction, which could have been considerable, to try to "frame Ollie"?

Also keep in mind that this isn't a single instance but rather a pattern of disregard toward NCAA rules and untruthful statements to both UConn and the NCAA. That gets you fired for cause 10 times out of 10 no matter what organization you are working for, particularly when you've been told there was a zero tolerance policy.

Finally, as I pointed out with our Villanova guest, a whole lot of people in multiple organizations were involved in sanctioning Ollie. It is incredibly unlikely that that would happen, particularly between a regulator and the subject of that regulation.

 

[superjohn]

This is quite a performance from the Nova fan.

 

[Madmannsucks]

The NCAA decision is pending. Obviously UConn's is not, since they hired a new coach. The NCAA has made their decision, but KO has the right to appeal and he is doing so.
Do I believe that is how it went down. Yes I do. The NCAA took Miller's word over KO. I am not privy to the testimony, but that is how it played out. It just does not feel that far fetched to me.

 

[8893]

 

[Madmannsucks]

Madman you kept saying "It's all alleged. Nothing has been decided by the NCAA, prior to the NCAA's decision. Don't you feel like it's a little inconsistent to say "Well now that they've made their decision, I'm going to disregard it?"

Keep in mind that UConn as institution that has been sanctioned before faces heightened risk when going back before the NCAA. That was why KO and other UConn coaches were advised of a zero tolerance policy toward NCAA violations. Do you really believe it is likely that the school would risk further sanction, which could have been considerable, to try to "frame Ollie"?

Also keep in mind that this isn't a single instance but rather a pattern of disregard toward NCAA rules and untruthful statements to both UConn and the NCAA. That gets you fired for cause 10 times out of 10 no matter what organization you are working for, particularly when you've been told there was a zero tolerance policy.

Finally, as I pointed out with our Villanova guest, a whole lot of people in multiple organizations were involved in sanctioning Ollie. It is incredibly unlikely that that would happen, particularly between a regulator and the subject of that regulation.

Oh, something you never hear. I respectfully disagree.

 

[CL82]

The NCAA decision is pending. Obviously UConn's is not, since they hired a new coach. The NCAA has made their decision, but KO has the right to appeal and he is doing so.
Do I believe that is how it went down. Yes I do. The NCAA took Miller's word over KO. I am not privy to the testimony, but that is how it played out. It just does not feel that far fetched to me.

Madman, I respectfully suggest if there is a fine line between “speculating“ and imagining. It’s easy to imagine a lot of scenarios, but an independent factfinder found otherwise.

 

[joober jones]

I think most college basketball players remember Ray or at least have a knowledge of his pro career.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So according to this thread, the NCAA is infallible and just, and multiple ex-UConn players are lying scumbags. Got it.

 

[BlueDogs]

Pay the man.

I can't say that enough. The "not a dime" crew don't get the PR messiness of this.

I think all would agree to pay the man a reasonable sum. $10 Million is not that. Maybe $2MM. Frankly, he deserves exactly what he is owed under his contract - nothing, except it’s worth limiting the costs of time, bad press and distractions to move on. Whatever the case, KO has shown his true character and destroyed himself.

 

[Chief00]

I think all would agree to pay the man a reasonable sum. $10 Million is not that. Maybe $2MM. Frankly, he deserves exactly what he is owed under his contract - nothing, except it’s worth limiting the costs of time, bad press and distractions to move on. Whatever the case, KO has shown his true character and destroyed himself.

Agree, to some extent, but the $2 million ship has long since sailed. I think a realistic range is $500,000 to a million and that may be very high. If the University can endure more distractions and legal billing the check to KO will be ZERO. After KO pays legal bills this exercise has cost him money net or broken even. Demonstrates poor judgement on his part and a bunch of denial.

 

[Zissou]

Pitt puts end to Kevin Stallings contract dispute

For reference

 

[UConnNick]

Respectfully, Ray needs to temper his public statements. I get that he's not happy that he made a phone call that contributed to KO's discharge for cause, but it is what it is. Make a single statement that the hope the matter can be settled amiably and shut the heck up.

I agree, but Ray and Kevin are very close friends, and were teammates. That's a very close bond, and an emotional one.

Ray likely knows who's behind the discovery ruling. I think he's playing it the way he is to sort of blackmail or extort the school. He may figure that the more controversy he dredges up, the more likely the school will settle with Kevin to avoid any future unpleasantness with Ray.

Unfortunately for Ray, the longer it goes on the worse his image will become with UConn, its alumni and fans. The vast majority of us just want it over. Beyond a certain point, if Ollie continues to be unemployed much longer, he'll likely settle because he may become desperate for money in any amount.

 

[UConnNick]

Is he? I mean he’s most accomplished on the court. But as said above, most people are soured on him, rightly or otherwise, for leaving Boston for Miami. Between that and his personality/demeanor, I’ll take Kemba every time as an ambassador for my alma mater

I'm not. I despise Boston, and I'm glad he left. Screw 'em!

I'd also submit that the vast majority of NBA fans are not Boston fans, so they couldn't care less about Ray. Almost all the rest of the world doesn't know who Ray Allen is.

 

[Adios]

PR wise, this would make KO look much worse than UConn. I mean, when you are employed, you are supposed to do a job. Ray Allen's involvement would be forgotten because everyone knows why KO really was fired.

Ollie should have learned by now that he can't always win.

 

[CL82]

I agree, but Ray and Kevin are very close friends, and were teammates. That's a very close bond, and an emotional one.

Ray likely knows who's behind the discovery ruling. I think he's playing it the way he is to sort of blackmail or extort the school. He may figure that the more controversy he dredges up, the more likely the school will settle with Kevin to avoid any future unpleasantness with Ray.

Unfortunately for Ray, the longer it goes on the worse his image will become with UConn, its alumni and fans. The vast majority of us just want it over. Beyond a certain point, if Ollie continues to be unemployed much longer, he'll likely settle because he may become desperate for money in any amount.

I don't think KO is struggling for money regardless of the outcome of this matter.