Ray Allen seeking protective order against UConn

[Zissou]

He was terminated for the win-loss record. Small violations were inflated to create a case for cause. It’s a bad look for UConn. Just pay him his termination.

JC did worse and wasn’t fired, but his win-loss record was better.

Pitt pulled the same crap with firing their head coach, and they also look foolish. He wasn’t a Pitt guy. KO is one of your own.

People close to UConn like Ray or JC don’t have to like everything KO did to still know paying him is the right thing to do.

A cause case could be made to fire the president or the AD. They would fight it. Of course KO is fighting this. This is poorly managed. Just clean it all up while you are still in the AAC.

As Chief says, bring in better decision makers with the new president.

 

[Northbound]

He was terminated for the win-loss record. Small violations were inflated to create a case for cause. It’s a bad look for UConn. Just pay him his termination.

JC did worse and wasn’t fired, but his win-loss record was better.

Pitt pulled the same crap with firing their head coach, and they also look foolish. He wasn’t a Pitt guy. KO is one of your own.

People close to UConn like Ray or JC don’t have to like everything KO did to still know paying him is the right thing to do.

A cause case could be made to fire the president or the AD. They would fight it. Of course KO is fighting this. This is poorly managed. Just clean it all up while you are still in the AAC.

As Chief says, bring in better decision makers with the new president.

How people don't get the following is beyond me:

Sure the impetus to dismiss KO is because of his coaching and recruiting malpractice. Apparently, KO paid as much attention to the details of his contract as he did the performance of the basketball team so it's no surprise he violated rules which allowed the university to dismiss him for cause - it makes no difference how large or small the rules violation - once you violate any rules that give the university the ability to dismiss you with cause your cheese is in the wind and the university holds all the cards.

If you know you're on "hmmmm not sure about this hire" list you have to do everything else to the T. If he didn't know he was being evaluated critically that suggests he was operating in some other reality or may have thought that the UConn job as a lifetime appointment.

If you suck at your job, do not get caught stealing computers out the back door then ask for severance and don't ask you're buddy to vouch for you.

 

[CL82]

Small violations were inflated to create a case for cause. I

The NCAA gives out Show Cause penalties for "small violations?" I see.

 

[Husky68]

The NCAA gives out Show Cause penalties for "small violations?" I see.

Ask (if he was still around) what Tark the Shark thought of NCAA and their "honest adjudication of the facts". Still waiting for the Corey Magettee findings, think it will be in 20 minutes?

 

[whaler11]

Ollie got fired because he was losing. There is no other reason. Sean Miller and whoever that scumbag at LSU is still have jobs after getting busted on wiretap paying players, but UConn has dramatized an illegal practice and a phone call from a Hall of Famer into a termination event because it didn't want to pay Ollie $10 million of severance.

UConn owed that much because it had signed a P6 level contract with Ollie despite the fact that it was a mid-major school, and couldn't afford to pay the termination provision.

Now this board has gone from bashing Ollie, a national champion winning coach, to bashing Ray Allen, one of the greatest players in UConn history. This whole board needs to check itself.

It is amazing how fast people turned on Ollie.

 

[CL82]

It is amazing how fast people turned on Ollie.

Well running a program into the ground, cheating, lying about it, getting UConn sanctioned, smearing a beloved HOF coach, and trying to shake down the university for $11M can alienate some people. Personally, I think they are over sensitive.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The NCAA gives out Show Cause penalties for "small violations?" I see.

They do when the university under investigation stipulates it committed all kinds of technical violations in order to get out of a $10 million bill.

Do you think Ray Allen is the only UConn player that thinks UConn is out of line here? The rule of thumb in customer service is one complaint is equal to 10 pissed off customers. Are you OK with 10 of our ex-NBA players being pissed at the school?

This is the time to settle with Ollie. He has a Show Cause ruling against him which hurts his case. Ray Allen has come out against UConn, which helps his case. UConn should cut a deal with him before more players get dragged into it, or Ollie's lawyers find an email that says "UConn should cooperate with the NCAA because it will get us out of paying Ollie", since we all know an email like that exists.

 

[whaler11]

Well running a program into the ground, cheating, lying about it, getting UConn sanctioned, smearing a beloved HOF coach, and trying to shake down the university for $11M can alienate some people. Personally, I think they are over sensitive.

I mistyped I meant Ray.

 

[superjohn]

They do when the university under investigation stipulates it committed all kinds of technical violations in order to get out of a $10 million bill.

Do you think Ray Allen is the only UConn player that thinks UConn is out of line here? The rule of thumb in customer service is one complaint is equal to 10 pissed off customers. Are you OK with 10 of our ex-NBA players being pissed at the school?

This is the time to settle with Ollie. He has a Show Cause ruling against him which hurts his case. Ray Allen has come out against UConn, which helps his case. UConn should cut a deal with him before more players get dragged into it, or Ollie's lawyers find an email that says "UConn should cooperate with the NCAA because it will get us out of paying Ollie", since we all know an email like that exists.

This is the time to settle with Ollie, bwahahaha.

 

[CL82]

I mistyped I meant Ray.

Ah got it. I think it's been building. Ray has been talking a lot about this. His latest quote comes off as petulant and privileged so it just taps into that.

 

[Husky68]

Ah got it. I think it's been building. Ray has been talking a lot about this. His latest quote comes off as petulant and privileged so it just taps into that.

Says you.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is the time to settle with Ollie, bwahahaha.

You can hate Ollie all you want. Fans are fickle and will turn on anyone. I get it.

Ollie could have left for a Pac 12 job and gotten big bucks at a P5 program, but he stayed at UConn because he was loyal and like many of the fans, got the conference situation completely wrong. UConn had no chance of competing at a high level in the AAC, and we were unable to even recruit locally because local kids don't want to play for a southern mid-major conference. He wasn't the one in a million coach that could survive that, and the program went into a tailspin.

Now you want to punish him for that.

 

[Chief00]

SEC and ACC schools essentially use their coeds to ‘recruit’.

Lawyers getting paid to track down short Facetime convos... what a scam.

You have a point.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You can hate Ollie all you want. Fans are fickle and will turn on anyone. I get it.

Ollie could have left for a Pac 12 job and gotten big bucks at a P5 program, but he stayed at UConn because he was loyal and like many of the fans, got the conference situation completely wrong. UConn had no chance of competing at a high level in the AAC, and we were unable to even recruit locally because local kids don't want to play for a southern mid-major conference. He wasn't the one in a million coach that could survive that, and the program went into a tailspin.

Now you want to punish him for that.

Nice narrative, if completely fabricated and far from reality.

Here's mine. Ollie went through major personal challenges, which dramatically altered who he is an how he approached his work and other people. He abandoned his best attribute, his work ethic, became lazy, distanced himself from those who helped him get where he was, and generally stopped doing the job he was being paid to do. He misused players in games, had no effective scouting of opponents, and didn't coach up anybody who played for him. He presided over a program that imposed no real accountability on student athletes. When the results of that complete personal failure became clear, most his well regarded (National #8) 2016 recruiting class (yes, in the AAC) decided to leave. Along the way he took short-cuts and violated NCAA rules, whether through ignorance or apathy.

 

[Chief00]

We are at our worst when negative emotions control us . And sadly most of us are unaware of our own negative behavior or lack the ability to change. And yet we so easily see it in others. For this reason we continue acting and reacting in the same way insisting others change.

That paragraph provided great insights about human nature. Kudos!

 

[whaler11]

You have a point.

It’s not like it a secret. They get pretty girls to act as ‘hosts’. They put their pictures in the programs.

 

[superjohn]

You can hate Ollie all you want. Fans are fickle and will turn on anyone. I get it.

Ollie could have left for a Pac 12 job and gotten big bucks at a P5 program, but he stayed at UConn because he was loyal and like many of the fans, got the conference situation completely wrong. UConn had no chance of competing at a high level in the AAC, and we were unable to even recruit locally because local kids don't want to play for a southern mid-major conference. He wasn't the one in a million coach that could survive that, and the program went into a tailspin.

Now you want to punish him for that.

This is insane even for this board.

Not going to tear the post apart line by line but touting Ollie's loyalty is rich. We're talking about a guy with no coaching experience brought in to be Calhoun's right hand man and after only a cup of coffee he is given the job of head coach at one of the best ever program's in college hoops only to turn his back on Calhoun after his first major taste of success. He's proven to be about as disloyal as it gets.

 

[superjohn]

It’s not like it a secret. They get pretty girls to act as ‘hosts’. They put their pictures in the programs.

SEC football has boosters on the payroll for recruiting. They play by entirely different rules.

 

[huskymedic]

It’s not like it a secret. They get pretty girls to act as ‘hosts’. They put their pictures in the programs.

SEC football has boosters on the payroll for recruiting. They play by entirely different rules.

They’ll find another work around (not reach around): SEC dissolves student athletic recruiters

 

[whaler11]

They’ll find another work around (not reach around): SEC dissolves student athletic recruiters

Good news I guess. It was one of the slimiest things about college sports in general.

 

[bballgrda]

This is insane even for this board.

Not going to tear the post apart line by line but touting Ollie's loyalty is rich. We're talking about a guy with no coaching experience brought in to be Calhoun's right hand man and after only a cup of coffee he is given the job of head coach at one of the best ever program's in college hoops only to turn his back on Calhoun after his first major taste of success. He's proven to be about as disloyal as it gets.

Nelson is not connected to reality. Just a month ago he thought DeMarcus Cousins would get a max deal.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Holy Cats, did a thread about RA really morph into thread about KO?

 

[Excalibur]

They do when the university under investigation stipulates it committed all kinds of technical violations in order to get out of a $10 million bill.

Do you think Ray Allen is the only UConn player that thinks UConn is out of line here? The rule of thumb in customer service is one complaint is equal to 10 pissed off customers. Are you OK with 10 of our ex-NBA players being pissed at the school?

This is the time to settle with Ollie. He has a Show Cause ruling against him which hurts his case. Ray Allen has come out against UConn, which helps his case. UConn should cut a deal with him before more players get dragged into it, or Ollie's lawyers find an email that says "UConn should cooperate with the NCAA because it will get us out of paying Ollie", since we all know an email like that exists.

When do schools under investigation not cooperate with the NCAA? DId they not cooperate when there were previous violations? Everyone cooperates. Except Ollie, apparently . . .

 

[DefCONNOne]

Didn’t believe you understood punktuation and much like I could give a rats a** about what Ray did to Boston, I could care less about commas in a reply to you especially. But I will check it out nonetheless thanks.

Your attempt to insult my intelligence is duly noted.

 

[CL82]

Holy Cats, did a thread about RA really morph into thread about KO?

Well a thread about RA complaining about being a part of the KO litigation did.