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OT: Mayweather vs. McGregor

GGG beat Jacobs and Lemieux and they are farrrr from scrubs and just might be better than Canelo at 160lbs. Sure GGGs overall resume is weak but those two wins are higher quality than any of Canelos wins. Canelos best two wins were Cotto (undersized, way past prime) and Lara (Split decision).
Ward whom im a fan of is full of crap! If he wanted a GGG fight he`d of stayed at 168. He also claimed to have emailed an offer to GGG for a fight at 164lbs which GGG denied and Ward failed to prove by showing said email. Now its pointless as Ward fights two weight divisions north of GGG (175lbs/160lb) so the fight isnt happening anytime soon if at all.[/QUOTE]
Ward went up to find a worthy challenger after cleaning out super middleweight. GGG is fighting welterweights and junior middleweights. Canelo has been in there with Austin Trout, Kermit Citron, Shane Mosley. I don't think the level of competition is comparable. And I think Ward isn't real light heavyweight and could easily still male 168 if not lower. He was a lot smaller than Kovalev.
 
Saying Ward wouldn't have fought GGG is bs. Dude went up a class to chase Kovalev who nobody else in 175 wanted any part of.


Canelo also has a better resume than GGG, a lot of that isn't Gennady's fault since guys don't want to fight him, but it doesn't change the fact that Canelo has been in with better guys and beaten them all besides Floyd.
 
noeynox said:
GGG beat Jacobs and Lemieux and they are farrrr from scrubs and just might be better than Canelo at 160lbs. Sure GGGs overall resume is weak but those two wins are higher quality than any of Canelos wins. Canelos best two wins were Cotto (undersized, way past prime) and Lara (Split decision).
Ward whom im a fan of is full of crap! If he wanted a GGG fight he`d of stayed at 168. He also claimed to have emailed an offer to GGG for a fight at 164lbs which GGG denied and Ward failed to prove by showing said email. Now its pointless as Ward fights two weight divisions north of GGG (175lbs/160lb) so the fight isnt happening anytime soon if at all.
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Ward went up to find a worthy challenger after cleaning out super middleweight. GGG is fighting welterweights and junior middleweights. Canelo has been in there with Austin Trout, Kermit Citron, Shane Mosley. I don't think the level of competition is comparable. And I think Ward isn't real light heavyweight and could easily still male 168 if not lower. He was a lot smaller than Kovalev.[/QUOTE]

youre seriously going to bring up TRout, Cintron and old ass mosley? Ward is not a small lhw and was struggling to make smw which he said himself. He moved up because of weight not just to look for a challenge. Kovalev is a big lhw and while a bit bigger wasnt much bigger than ward. GGGs resume dont mean squat now anyway as we`ll see in Sept just how good he is or isnt.
 
Once the Floyd/Conor fight passes, the hype for GGG/Canelo will pick right up. Here's a TV promo for it already:
 
Marat said:
Once the Floyd/Conor fight passes, the hype for GGG/Canelo will pick right up. Here's a TV promo for it already:
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Ahhhh, a real fight. I'm having a hard time wanting to pay 30 bucks to get into a bar for a massacre. Probably will though.
 
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intlzncster said:
Ahhhh, a real fight. I'm having a hard time wanting to pay 30 bucks to get into a bar for a massacre. Probably will though.
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Exactly. Those clips of mcgregor sparring Paulie only reinforce he has no shot. Those punches will never land on Floyd. Paulie is in no type of physical condition to be going 12 rounds against a guy in his prime.
 
noeynox said:
Exactly. Those clips of mcgregor sparring Paulie only reinforce he has no shot. Those punches will never land on Floyd. Paulie is in no type of physical condition to be going 12 rounds against a guy in his prime.
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Something nobody is mentioning is that Paulie hits about as mother theresa in her prime. Now you put him in the ring with a bigger, younger and in shape fighter wearing 16oz gloves and that guy is going to walk through him and not worry at all about taking punches. McGregor in that video is clearly not showing any respect for Paulie because he doesnt have to. Id like to see McGregor spar with a guy like Shawn Porter. I guarantee he wont be releasing any videos of that.
This is all just trying to sell the fight. Paulie got used and he mad now. None of this matters because Floyd is going to clown Mcgregor badly. Forget all the obvious stuff the one thing that is going to kill Conor is his footwork. Hes not going to be able to cut the ring off on floyd and its going to force him to follow floyd and as hes coming in hes going to eat some big right hands and check left hooks as he comes in. After a couple rounds of that hes either going to be on the canvas looking up or his corner or the ref is going to stop the fight.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Something nobody is mentioning is that Paulie hits about as mother theresa in her prime. Now you put him in the ring with a bigger, younger and in shape fighter wearing 16oz gloves and that guy is going to walk through him and not worry at all about taking punches. McGregor in that video is clearly not showing any respect for Paulie because he doesnt have to. Id like to see McGregor spar with a guy like Shawn Porter. I guarantee he wont be releasing any videos of that.
This is all just trying to sell the fight. Paulie got used and he mad now. None of this matters because Floyd is going to clown Mcgregor badly. Forget all the obvious stuff the one thing that is going to kill Conor is his footwork. Hes not going to be able to cut the ring off on floyd and its going to force him to follow floyd and as hes coming in hes going to eat some big right hands and check left hooks as he comes in. After a couple rounds of that hes either going to be on the canvas looking up or his corner or the ref is going to stop the fight.
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The footwork thing has already been mentioned multiple times by myself and others.

That being said, Floyd's legs had pretty drastically slowed down in his last few fights, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd plant his feet and just use his waist/shoulder/head movement to slip what I'm sure will be wide looping punches coming from Conor.
 
Pretty interesting videos on Floyd's top 50 punches thrown and Conor's 25 top punches.



 
TheChamps990411 said:
Youd be surprised how little people know about boxing. I think its because most people that are boxing fans dont actually know the sport. They see two guys punching it out till one falls or one guy running while the other guy chases him around. For instance youve got all these people going on about Conor/Floyd and saying how Conor has a "punchers chance" or "Conors has zero chance and Floyds going to win easily" but they cant tell you why thats the case other than "Floyds 49-0 and Conor has never fought a professional boxing match. The reason why Conor has ZERO chance at beating floyd is simple and something absolutely nobody is talking about and that is FOOTWORK. Plain and simple. Floyd can move around the ring and around Conor much faster than Conor can move around or to catch up to Floyd. I watched Conors sparring and his footwork is absolutely TERRIBLE!!! He crosses his feet, can only punch when his feet are set and has no idea how to cut off the ring. This is all going to get him killed pretty quickly unless Floyd decides to carry him a few rounds before putting him away.
People that are saying Conor has the advantage in power are delusional. Ask any actual mma guys and they will tell you that boxers generate more power in their punches because their technique is far superior. In fact if you go on you tube Joe Rogan and a couple mma fighters are discussing this very subject and say the same. Floyd can absolutely knock Conor out especially if he feels confident enough to feel that he can tee off without having to worry about the counter which goes back to my original point. Floyds feet! Hes going to be able to get in throw what he wants and back out before Conor can even get in position to fire back. Floyd is going to give him angles that hes just not going to be able to deal with. I think Floyd wins by KO inside of 4 rounds and thats being generous. If Floyd sees McG has a good chin all he has to do is unload some body punches and the fight will be over pretty quickly. Just look at what happened this past weekend. Andre Ward isnt a big puncher yet he was able to stop a bigger iron jawed opponent by breaking his body down for 8 rounds. Floyd can do this in half the time if he needs too.
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There are a lot of reasons Conor has no chance, not just footwork. The incredible hand speed difference, counter-punching, Floyd's impenetrable d, boxing knowledge etc. goes on and on.

Floyd has all of these advantages against top competition too. He's made some of the top p4p guys looks like amateurs in the ring. I have no idea how anyone thinks an actual amateur has a shot against him.
 
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HuskiesAllDay said:
There are a lot of reasons Conor has no chance, not just footwork. The incredible hand speed difference, counter-punching, Floyd's impenetrable d, boxing knowledge etc. goes on and on.

Floyd has all of these advantages against top competition too. He's made some of the top p4p guys looks like amateurs in the ring. I have no idea how anyone thinks an actual amateur has a shot against him.
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Yes i know its not the only reason but it is going to prove to be the biggest.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
There are a lot of reasons Conor has no chance, not just footwork. The incredible hand speed difference, counter-punching, Floyd's impenetrable d, boxing knowledge etc. goes on and on.

Floyd has all of these advantages against top competition too. He's made some of the top p4p guys looks like amateurs in the ring. I have no idea how anyone thinks an actual amateur has a shot against him.
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The only shot IMO, is because Floyd is 40, and when boxers lose it goes almost instantaneously.

If Floyd is half of his old self it's an easy win.
 
noeynox said:
The only shot IMO, is because Floyd is 40, and when boxers lose it goes almost instantaneously.

If Floyd is half of his old self it's an easy win.
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That, and its boxing, so there is always a chance.

McGregor actually impressed me in a 5 min sparring video I saw of him. His technique is all messed up, but his speed is a lot quicker than I thought and his left hook looks legit. He threw a few nice combos together too.

But again, I don't think he has any chance of landing anything on Floyd, and Floyd will tear him apart with the way Conor was pursing his partner when he went on the attack.

One thing that can be said about Floyd's age is the lack of punishment hes taken in his career. His d has been so good that he rarely gets hit clean with a hard power shot. Like 1 or 2 a fight at best. He may be 40, but hes basically taken the punishment of a 25 year old fighter.

Also, his conditioning is next level. Hes obv lost a step, but I don't think we are going to see an instantaneously decline from Floyd any time soon.
 
I've never put money on a fight and I'm not a big gambler, but Money at -150 to ko/tko looks like crazy good odds right?

Even if McGregor surprises and his boxing skills are good enough to actually hang in there with Floyd, I just don't see how he is going to have the stamina to go 12 rounds. He will be absolutely gassed by the 6th round. 8th at worst.

I don't know if Floyd can knock him out, but I can easily see a stoppage where McG camp throws in the towel due exhaustion/frustration/embarrassment or a tko from Floyd closing both his eyes from a tidal wave of pull counter straight rights.

I'm seriously thinking about putting a good amount on that. Am i nuts? anyone here have any money on this fight/ have any experience betting on fights?
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
That, and its boxing, so there is always a chance.

McGregor actually impressed me in a 5 min sparring video I saw of him. His technique is all messed up, but his speed is a lot quicker than I thought and his left hook looks legit. He threw a few nice combos together too.

But again, I don't think he has any chance of landing anything on Floyd, and Floyd will tear him apart with the way Conor was pursing his partner when he went on the attack.

One thing that can be said about Floyd's age is the lack of punishment hes taken in his career. His d has been so good that he rarely gets hit clean with a hard power shot. Like 1 or 2 a fight at best. He may be 40, but hes basically taken the punishment of a 25 year old fighter.

Also, his conditioning is next level. Hes obv lost a step, but I don't think we are going to see an instantaneously decline from Floyd any time soon.
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As a southpaw, he doesn't really throw a left hook, he throws a left cross/straight left. His boxing is top notch for an mma fighter. It's why undresses those guys in standup. When I watched the extended clip of him boxing Van Heerden, to me, you really see a huge gap in his boxing vs a world class boxer. It's not even close IMO. No way in hell he can make that gap up in a couple of months.

He can crack with that straight left, no doubt but the rest of his punches look like slaps. So Floyd has to take away 1 weapon. The left cross. If Floyd has to take away one weapon to render an opponent useless, that is "easy work" for him. Unless Floyd shows up and is an old, washed up fighter, it's easy money.
 
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Jay-Bone said:
This looks like the Mt could snap him like a carrot. He was kid gloving him.
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Don't kid yourself. A professional fighter could render a guy like that senseless with minimal effort. A few years back, an mma fighter flattened a university of Texas linebacker who slapped a woman. Straight KO.
 
noeynox said:
Don't kid yourself. A professional fighter could render a guy like that senseless with minimal effort. A few years back, an mma fighter flattened a university of Texas linebacker who slapped a woman. Straight KO.
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Royce Gracie maybe. Not sure McGregor has those moves. Nothing was shown in that clip. Not kidding myself, I'd bet the Mt. This isn't Snatch.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
I've never put money on a fight and I'm not a big gambler, but Money at -150 to ko/tko looks like crazy good odds right?
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My site has it at -200. I agree its a good bet (great bet at -150), I dont see this going 12. McGregor is +550 for me ko/tko/dq if you feel like hedging by betting against a decision
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Yes i know its not the only reason but it is going to prove to be the biggest.
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It's honestly not though. Go back and watch Floyd's previous 3 or so fights, and then go watch pretty much any other Floyd fight. There's a huge difference in the amount that Floyd is actually moving around in the ring.
 
I think it's interesting hearing what Freddie Roach, Shawn Porter and Paulie Maligagnni have said the last day. All 3 were pretty critical but now Paulie says he thinks Mayweather is underestimating McGregor and he needs his game face on because MG's intensity could bridge the skill gap. Shawn Porter said he looks a lot better and Roach says he might be able to do something in the fight whereas before he thought he had no chance. As the fight gets closer more and more people who gave Conor 0 shot are starting to hedge their opinions. Not to mention, Larry Holmes predicts McGregor is going to win.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
this fight was an easy decision for McGregor, no one thinks he can win and he gets a ton of money. If he hangs in for a few rounds and goes down, no one is going to be surprised.
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I just can't believe so many people have been suckered into paying for this staged fight. Your better off watching WWF, its probably more realistic.
 
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The better question is what are the reasons Connor will win. Could only be via knockout, so:

1. Luck
2. Roundhouse kick to the temple. Followed by DQ.

Every other reason is Floyd.
 
tower1 said:
I just can't believe so many people have been suckered into paying for this staged fight. Your better off watching WWF, its probably more realistic.
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I'll either just go somewhere that has the fight or worst case buy a stream, but even if the outcome isn't in doubt it's still a spectacle worth watching.


Plus MMA fans are generally incredibly stupid and think Conor is going to win.
 
If you're betting a few bucks put it on McGregor and who cares. If your betting the house it's Mayweather every time.
 
So, I think it's always crazy to say "no chance." There's always a chance. I think it's fair to say, "there's virtually no chance." If it was certain, they wouldn't need to play.

In any event, I don't care who wins - it's silly - but part of me wants CM to win just to see the comments from the ardent boxing fans here. If that happens - as unlikely as it seems - are you going to come back on here and be impressed, or is it going to just be a bunch of posts making excuses? Floyd lost it. Floyd didn't look right. CM got lucky.? Any chance anybody would come on here and just say, "wow, CM was better than I thought" or "wow, the MMA guy's skills really translated well."

Too many people taking it all to personally. I just want to be entertained. I'm already entertained. :)
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
this fight was an easy decision for McGregor, no one thinks he can win and he gets a ton of money. If he hangs in for a few rounds and goes down, no one is going to be surprised.
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There is NO chance that McGregor gets knocked out in this fight! This fight ends either with a Mayweather decision after utterly embarrassing McGregor the entire fight or a McGregor KO if by some miracle Mayweather walks into that "left hand of God".
 
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