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huskeynut said:
And the ACC may have no choice but to remove Louisville from the conference.
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I wish. That's a way more complicated issue than you think. There's TV contracts, conference contracts, voting and everything else involved. Ton of hoops to jump through. Don't see it at all.
 
intlzncster said:
I wish. That's a way more complicated issue than you think. There's TV contracts, conference contracts, voting and everything else involved. Ton of hoops to jump through. Don't see it at all.
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There actually are very few hoops to jump through.

They won't remove them over this, but if for some reason they wanted, it is a very straightforward process.
 
huskeynut said:
Notice that outside of Emmert's initial statement, there has been no comment from the NCAA. Truth be told, I don't think the NCAA dare say anything at this point. Now Congress wants to know what is up with the NCAA and its enforcement policies. Frankly, I think Emmert and the NCAA are scared stiff. This is not going to well if they don't give Louisville the death penalty.

And the ACC may have no choice but to remove Louisville from the conference.
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Nope. Emmert and the NCAA are exercising their Constitutional right to remain silent...And they are getting plenty of sleep. Their lawyers on the other hand:
 
Fishy said:
There actually are very few hoops to jump through.

They won't remove them over this, but if for some reason they wanted, it is a very straightforward process.
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I think it will also require some misdeeds on the football side. With the Ville and petrino it's possible something's surfaces.
 
Imagine a world with Pitino, Calipari, Self, K, Williams, Miller and a few others in prison. That would be glorious.
 
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1) I like Sean Miller, so this disappoints me. He's one of the few I like who are supposedly tangled up in this.

2) I want UK and Calipari in this more than anything right now.

I don't know if they will, and I hope they haven't been able to be cleanly recruiting based on past transgressions that haven't been proven -- that's my biggest fear re: UK and Calipari.
 
I'm sure a lot more will come to light in the coming years... But I doubt Coach K would be tied up in this. He has too much to offer to recruits to be forced to give them money. And he's just not that guy. He would sell against that type of thing before he would ever stoop to that level, because he easily can.

Calapari I could definitely see getting wrapped up in it. He has gotten too many guys, too consistently to not be involved in something like this. He does have the selling point of being a one and done factory, hosting NBA recruits constantly, steering you through a year of "college" without breaking a sweat, etc... But he's dirty. Always has been.

I would be very surprised if Ollie is linked to anything. Not at all surprised if Chill is linked.
 
Balker said:
I'm sure a lot more will come to light in the coming years... But I doubt Coach K would be tied up in this. He has too much to offer to recruits to be forced to give them money. And he's just not that guy. He would sell against that type of thing before he would ever stoop to that level, because he easily can.

Calapari I could definitely see getting wrapped up in it. He has gotten too many guys, too consistently to not be involved in something like this. He does have the selling point of being a one and done factory, hosting NBA recruits constantly, steering you through a year of "college" without breaking a sweat, etc... But he's dirty. Always has been.

I would be very surprised if Ollie is linked to anything. Not at all surprised if Chill is linked.
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Myron Piggie and Lance Thomas's mom say hello.
Duke has a pristine history, but don't lift up the corner of the rug in the living room.
 
Another factor in our favor besides our lack of 5* recruits is lack of guys getting drafted high and doing well in the NBA. If you're a shoe company, you ain't paying coaches who aren't turning out NBA stars or players who aren't near lock stars. They're paying for the future payout and we haven't delivered that in the past 5 years.
 
Balker said:
I'm sure a lot more will come to light in the coming years... But I doubt Coach K would be tied up in this. He has too much to offer to recruits to be forced to give them money. And he's just not that guy. He would sell against that type of thing before he would ever stoop to that level, because he easily can.

Calapari I could definitely see getting wrapped up in it. He has gotten too many guys, too consistently to not be involved in something like this. He does have the selling point of being a one and done factory, hosting NBA recruits constantly, steering you through a year of "college" without breaking a sweat, etc... But he's dirty. Always has been.

I would be very surprised if Ollie is linked to anything. Not at all surprised if Chill is linked.
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Not sure if I agree with you about Coach K. It wasn't all that long ago that Duke's best players graduated, or at least played more than one year. It was around when we beat them in 1999 that Duke started shifting towards a one-and-done based model. And actually, one of the first of Duke's one and dones was Corey Maggette, who admitted he took $2,000 from a summer league coach.

Now, Duke has firmly transitioned into an NBA factory and they're stocked each year with star freshman who only stay 1 year. Would it surprise me if they were offering recruits something more? No it would not.
 
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upstater said:
Myron Piggie and Lance Thomas's mom say hello.
Duke has a pristine history, but don't lift up the corner of the rug in the living room.
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And Duhon and Boozer's parents got cushy jobs.

That's boosters, though. Most head coaches would look the other way if they saw their player driving a nice car or saw the kid's parents moving into a nice house.
 
JeepCSC said:
Coach K has about as many NBA first-rounders from 2010 to today as he had from 1990 to 2010. His recruiting has changed wholesale since Capel came onto the scene.
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That's what ever board is saying that I've been checking out. Especially the Kentucky board
 
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nomar said:
And Duhon and Boozer's parents got cushy jobs.

That's boosters, though. Most head coaches would look the other way if they saw their player driving a nice car or saw the kid's parents moving into a nice house.
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We did.
Pull the rug up far enough and no one is immune.
 
Cal has a great marketing plan in selling to the one and done's. He probably does not need to pay. Coach K on the other hand has to get kids to attend a more rigorous academic institution. I often wonder how these kids meet the minimum grade requirements. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.
 
temery said:
I wasn't entirely kidding when I said the NCAA should be looked at as co-conspirators. I have little doubt they turned a blind eye to infractions by some big programs.
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My hope is Emmert brings up the APR NCAA ruling and either the Justice Department and/or Congress reads it and comes down with a ruling that says the NCAA punished universities who were legitimately following a code of scholastic ethics while turning a blind eye to those who didn't. The APR got a lot of buzz at the time it was introduced but it was obvious to some of us at the time it was a diversion tactic. I hoping some outside authority with muscle sees it that way as well and UConn and JC are vindicated.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
Cal has a great marketing plan in selling to the one and done's. He probably does not need to pay. Coach K on the other hand has to get kids to attend a more rigorous academic institution. I often wonder how these kids meet the minimum grade requirements. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.
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Simple...they major in Sociology. That's sort of their equivalent to UNC's fake classes. It's their easiest path for athletes to graduation, assuming they stick around that long.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
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And how about the fact that Dick Vitale, in his entire 2-minute monologue two days ago on ESPN, when he blamed the shoe companies for so much of this mess, actually did make mention of one relatively "new" phenomenon at the top schools that really disgusts him (without naming names, of course): recruits who go from being high school juniors in May/June to on campus and eligible to play college basketball by September/October.

I found that shocking coming from the biggest Coach K/Cal sycophant out there, since the most recent incident of that happening was... none other than Marvin Bagley matriculating at Duke! May well be the first time I have ever heard Dickie V dare to take a shot across the bow of his best buddy Coach K and the school that "stands for everything pristine and great in the college basketball world" (according to him, anyway).

Does anyone doubt that Krzyzewski couldn't pick up his red hotline phone fast enough directly to Dickie V's house to scorch him for that one?

Anyone who thinks the Duke program is entirely clean at this point has his head in the sand. There are other, much less direct ways to cheat the system... and if any group of people knows how to do it the best, I guarantee you it is the Duke alumni. Outside of the Ivy League schools, Duke boasts the most influential group of alumni at one school in our country.

They know multiple ways to "game the system" without any of us ever knowing or finding out. They do not get caught not because they are clean... but because they know how to not be stupid, arrogant and/or careless about it.
 
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For what it is worth, I ventured over to two different Kansas boards. Opinions are mixed. Some are worried due to the Adidas connection, and kids like Wiggins. Nobody thought Jackson was at all suspect though. Others are reacting similarly to us, rejoicing in the downfall of people they don't like. KU lost a big recruit to Alabama recently for example. And Kansas fans hate Duke and Kentucky.
 
huskeynut said:
temery - a valid point to be sure. The NCAA has little credibility. Notice Emmert's comment about this entire mess has been "The nature of the charges brought by the federal government are deeply disturbing. We have no tolerance whatsoever for this alleged behavior. Coaches hold a unique position of trust with student-athletes and their families and these bribery allegations, if true, suggest an extraordinary and despicable breach of that trust. We learned of these charges this morning and of course will support the ongoing criminal federal investigation.”

Not a peep since this comment 2 days ago. Now congressional comments “The federal government’s investigation into sports companies and basketball coaches at numerous colleges across the nation is extremely troubling and puts into serious question the NCAA’s ability to oversee its own institutions,” Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) and Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.) said in a joint statement Thursday. If congress starts demanding answers and digging into past NCAA rulings, they may very well find inconsistant and unfair decisions. Favoring the chosen few will show up.

The congressional statement could be considered damning to the NCAA. They are in the crosshairs too and I believe they know it. This is why, in the end, Emmert and company are going to have no choice but to give Louisville the death penalty. I would not be surprised if they also come down on UNC extremely hard.
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When the extent of the UNC transgressions were reported and understood there were rumblings in Congress to investigate universities and athletics. That never went anywhere.

This is a whole new playing field for them to get involved in. Those sanctimonious so and so's will love to create investigative committees over this. It's not important from a national standpoint imo, but it is visceral enough for both geeks and jocks (for different reasons obviously) to support this activity. Some congressman who wants to make a name for itself will go full monty.

So I agree with you about UNC. Emmett and the NCAA will want to CTA and won't go lightly with UNC for a variety of reasons including what Fishy has told us. But if I were anybody in the NCAA I would be considering lawyering up. There is definitely smoke that shows connections with questionable agents. Example is the pump brothers as @upstater pointed out in several threads including this:

NCAA "looking into" Nerlens Noel
 
fleudslipcon said:
When the extent of the UNC transgressions were reported and understood there were rumblings in Congress to investigate universities and athletics. That never went anywhere.

This is a whole new playing field for them to get involved in. Those sanctimonious so and so's will love to create investigative committees over this. It's not important from a national standpoint imo, but it is visceral enough for both geeks and jocks (for different reasons obviously) to support this activity. Some congressman who wants to make a name for itself will go full monty.

So I agree with you about UNC. Emmett and the NCAA will want to CTA and won't go lightly with UNC for a variety of reasons including what Fishy has told us. But if I were anybody in the NCAA I would be considering lawyering up. There is definitely smoke that shows connections with questionable agents. Example is the pump brothers as @upstater pointed out in several threads including this:

NCAA "looking into" Nerlens Noel
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Even Coach K. and many others were comping F4 tix to the Pumps, AND they were subscribing to 2 page "newsletters" for $20k a year. Nice little side biz.Of course, the ex. NCAA director Cedric Dempsey resigned from the NCAA and became... a consultant for the Pumps coach recruiting service! You cannot make this stuff up.

It is pretty clear Emmert had a vendetta against UConn.
 
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