OT....AROD to be banned from baseball.

[intlzncster]

I hate ARoid, but all he did was do everything he could to win. And he is no bigger creep than Clemans is.

Is that really saying anything at all?? Clemens is pretty damn high on that particular scale?

 

[intlzncster]

Baseball is actually finally trying to clean up the game and the fans have made I known they want the game to be clean, don't understand why nobody seems to care at all that he majority of NFL and college football players are on PED's.

They are paid to kill each other (no AH jokes please). Juice only helps in that regard.

I believe the NFL and NFLPA are making steps towards testing anyway. Taking their sweet fun-hating time, but still...

 

[intlzncster]

They didn't have to give him the contract now did they. Canseco* told everyone arod was dirty .aroid was clutch during their last WS. Now instead of being handcuffed by that horrible signing they get a reprieve from mlb. Poor yankees.

Most honest man in baseball. Note to self, never be a whistle blower.

 

[intlzncster]

Yeah, because it's always a good idea to negotiate based on tidbits from Jose Canseco*. Nobody had any idea A-Rod was dirty when he signed the contract, and to pretend otherwise is abusing the power of hindsight.

again, most honest man in baseball.

 

[intlzncster]

My limited understanding is that the evidence against A-Rod is far stronger than what they had against Braun, and what's really got MLB amped up is that they've got A-Rod dead to rights on interfering with the investigation, attempting to purchase evidence, etc. You'll note, also, that the players association has been relatively quiet.

But I read in Bloomberg today that Selig annually confirms to the players association, in writing, that he won't invoke the "best interests of baseball" clause, so this lifetime ban stuff could just be a negotiating tactic.

Also, Arod has multiple infractions.

 

[noeynox]

Thing that's sad about Bonds is, without the steroids he was one of the best players in the history of the game. He just ruined it for ego purposes.

I'm not sure A-rod was ever that good (ie without some sort of juice).

Bonds did it, for the same reason they all did it. The money was too great to pass up. chances are ARod, does not come close to earning 500 million dollars worth of contractswithout the juice.

 

[Kemballin']

6 posts in a row? @intlzncster is getting pretty into this.

 

[noeynox]

He is. Others aren't thinking of appealing their ban. He's had multiple strikes, so his penalty will obviously be more severe.

he really hasn't had multiple strikes. Sports Illustrated was getting ready to do an expose of him and he had that press conference too short circuit that.he was on the list that was concealed with 100 names on it. Baseball is really going after him because he tried to impede the investigation.

 

[intlzncster]

I'm a faithful baseball fan despite its boring reputation. However, baseball has actually become more boring since they decided to clear PEDs from the game. I always thought the purpose of professional sports at least from a fan's perspective was to entertain. Well, I am not as entertained anymore. We need PEDs back in the game if for no other reason than I enjoy seeing home runs and bloated batting averages.

I'm actually in your camp. The 'integrity of the game' is utter bollocks. MLB players have been cheating since the dawn of time. Heck, I've heard 'horse steroid injection' stories from way back in the day. Corking, cutting, spitting, stealing signs, whatever...

Besides, PEDs saved the game in 98. Most exciting season in recent memory.

Side note, how fun-hating good was Pedro Martinez. In the height of the steroid era, guy has arguably the two or 3 greatest pitching seasons in history. Posted 97-00, he posted 1.90, 2.89, 2.07, 1.74 era. 17-8, 19-7, 23-4, 18-6. Yikes.

 

[intlzncster]

6 posts in a row? @intlzncster is getting pretty into this.

7. if you hadn't of broken my momentum. I ended with a walk off piece. No PEDs.

 

[intlzncster]

he really hasn't had multiple strikes. Sports Illustrated was getting ready to do an expose of him and he had that press conference too short circuit that.he was on the list that was concealed with 100 names on it. Baseball is really going after him because he tried to impede the investigation.

And lied about this test, no? I also thought he failed another one somewhere in there, but I could be wrong.

 

[intlzncster]

Bonds did it, for the same reason they all did it. The money was too great to pass up. chances are ARod, does not come close to earning 500 million dollars worth of contractswithout the juice.

Bonds had more money than he ever knew what to do with. Word was he was insanely jealous of Mcgwire and Sosa.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I'm actually in your camp. The 'integrity of the game' is utter bollocks. MLB players have been cheating since the dawn of time. Heck, I've heard 'horse steroid injection' stories from way back in the day. Corking, cutting, spitting, stealing signs, whatever...

Besides, PEDas saved the game in 98. Most exciting season in recent memory.

Side note, how good was Pedro Martinez. In the height of the steroid era, guy has arguably the two or 3 greatest pitching seasons in history. Posted 97-00, he posted 1.90, 2.89, 2.07, 1.74 era. 17-8, 19-7, 23-4, 18-6. Yikes.

Greatest pitcher ever for about 6 years. It really is incredible what he did pitching in a hitter friendly park, with the Dan Hurley at the height of the steroid era. I think one of those years Clemens finished second in ERA around 4. Pretty incredible. His ERA if he pitched now would be around 1.

 

[SubbaBub]

I'm actually in your camp. The 'integrity of the game' is utter bollocks. MLB players have been cheating since the dawn of time. Heck, I've heard 'horse steroid injection' stories from way back in the day. Corking, cutting, spitting, stealing signs, whatever...

Besides, PEDs saved the game in 98. Most exciting season in recent memory.

Side note, how good was Pedro Martinez. In the height of the steroid era, guy has arguably the two or 3 greatest pitching seasons in history. Posted 97-00, he posted 1.90, 2.89, 2.07, 1.74 era. 17-8, 19-7, 23-4, 18-6. Yikes.

Greatest pitcher ever for about 6 years. It really is incredible what he did pitching in a hitter friendly park, with the Dan Hurley at the height of the steroid era. I think one of those years Clemens finished second in ERA around 4. Pretty incredible. His ERA if he pitched now would be around 1.

Ummm...not to be a killjoy or anything. I liked Petey as much as a Yankees fan could for his sheer ability to entertain. But a 140lb pip squeak throwing that kind of smoke who spent most of his off seasons in a country rampant with PED's and a huge get out to play MLB at any cost culture fits the user profile better than just about anyone else.

The guys getting caught have either been outed by someone they know or through the kind of records audit that is only available in the US.

If Pedro were playing now, I'm fairly certain he be in similar spot as Clemens.

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[intlzncster]

Ummm...not to be a killjoy or anything. I liked Petey as much as a Yankees fan could for his sheer ability to entertain. But a 140lb pip squeak throwing that kind of smoke who spent most of his off seasons in a country rampant with PED's and a huge get out to play MLB at any cost culture fits the user profile better than just about anyone else.

The guys getting caught have either been outed by someone they know or through the kind of records audit that is only available in the US.

If Pedro were playing now, I'm fairly certain he be in similar spot as Clemens.

Note though, PEDs won't make you throw any more accurate or nor give you much more stuff, which is where Pedro truly excelled. Never seen another player locat breaking pitches and fastballs like that, outside of Greg Maddux (juicer??). PEDs (and roids) help with recovery but not strength; andro helped with strength (iirc). His body profile probably nixes him from the strength argument (see bonds/sosa/mcgwire's head and arms).

Now he certainly could have been helped by PEDs RE recovery, and I believe no player is a saint nor get the benefit of the doubt. RE stuff, check out his fingers/hands. Craziest size fingers I've ever seen.

If you look at his whipsaw delivery, you'll see why he had gas. Same sort of style as Buchholz/Strasburg. Also why those guys breakdown a lot. Too much strain/torque for those rubbery arms. Wasn't able to play late into his career, unlike other juicers (Clemens,Pettite,Colon...)

And again, compare him to other pitchers of his era, including the juicers. Not remotely close. There's never been anyone quite like that (Koufax maybe).

 

[CL82]

ARod and his salary must be banned from baseball for the good of the children.

What would it say to the children if ARod's salary was allowed to impact whatever moves the Yankees might make? The children need to go to bed at night knowing that ARod is gone and that the Yankees have a renewed ability to sign away talented players from lesser teams.

We need to keep the children in mind.

Children need to know that actions have consequences. Hire a roided up jerk and end up being stuck with his salary. We can't let the Yanks walk on this. They must be held accountable...for the children.

 

[superjohn]

Note though, PEDs won't make you throw any more accurate or nor give you much more stuff, which is where Pedro truly excelled. Never seen another player locat breaking pitches and fastballs like that, outside of Greg Maddux (juicer??). PEDs (and roids) help with recovery but not strength; andro helped with strength (iirc). His body profile probably nixes him from the strength argument (see bonds/sosa/mcgwire's head and arms).

Now he certainly could have been helped by PEDs RE recovery, and I believe no player is a saint nor get the benefit of the doubt. RE stuff, check out his fingers/hands. Craziest size fingers I've ever seen.

If you look at his whipsaw delivery, you'll see why he had gas. Same sort of style as Buchholz/Strasburg. Also why those guys breakdown a lot. Too much strain/torque for those rubbery arms. Wasn't able to play late into his career, unlike other juicers (Clemens,Pettite,Colon...)

And again, compare him to other pitchers of his era, including the juicers. Not remotely close. There's never been anyone quite like that (Koufax maybe).

PED's and roids help with recovery but not strength, what???

 

[intlzncster]

PED's and roids help with recovery but not strength, what???

agghhh, I typed that backwards. It should have been andro (scientists think) and HGH (and blood doping). Anabolic steriods increase muscle mass. It's a property of those particular substances. It's what they do. They allow you to recover more quickly from workouts or competitive situations. They only allow you to make gains associated with training harder/more, not in building muscle in and of themselves.

Anabolic Steroids directly contributes to strength gains.

PEDs is an umbrella term.

 

[ZenConn]

Recovery is just as important to a pitcher as strength is ....

 

[intlzncster]

Recovery is just as important to a pitcher as strength is ....

Agree. To every athlete really. Especially baseball players, what with the 160 game grind.

 

[mauconnfan]

Wouldn't be surprised if Cano is on juice as well.

Why would you be? I wouldn't be either....heck I wouldn't be surprised if Pedroia was!! I would be more surprised if less than 50% wasn't on it!

 

[hthusky74]

Are you really going to make the Yankees out to be the beneficiaries here? I mean, obviously getting A-Rod's salary off the books would be enormous, but if you're going to begrudge them for benefitting from his tainted performances, then you also have to consider the fact that those tainted performances led to this albatross of a contract.

If you saw him perform in the post season you know he wasn't worth $200 let alone $200 million.

 

[nomar]

This is what's called draconian punishment.

Everyone here sure cared a lot about due process when UConn's postseason eligibility was taken from us. Different stories, obviously, but due process is due process.

 

[hthusky74]

This is fair. You can void the contract after the fact because you didn't know he was on steroids...as long as you also void the World Series he singlehandedly gave your team.

How about the ones he blew with his anemic post season bat? They never got their money's worth out of him.

 

[hthusky74]

I'm actually in your camp. The 'integrity of the game' is utter bollocks. MLB players have been cheating since the dawn of time. Heck, I've heard 'horse steroid injection' stories from way back in the day. Corking, cutting, spitting, stealing signs, whatever...

Besides, PEDs saved the game in 98. Most exciting season in recent memory.

Side note, how good was Pedro Martinez. In the height of the steroid era, guy has arguably the two or 3 greatest pitching seasons in history. Posted 97-00, he posted 1.90, 2.89, 2.07, 1.74 era. 17-8, 19-7, 23-4, 18-6. Yikes.

Must have been on roids too like most of the other Dominicans.

 

[Rico444]

How about the ones he blew with his anemic post season bat? They never got their money's worth out of him.

So if he put up huge numbers for the last five years, was worth the money, and wasn't facing a lifetime ban, the Yankees would be OK with the contract? That's kind of my point; thanks for making it.

 

[UCONNfan1]

In general I'm glad if there was such a preponderance of evidence against him. I don't think he's any more arrogant than most big league superstars, but honestly I have no personal knowledge of his persona vs. others like Pujols, etc.

I do find it kind of odd that it's a lifetime ban - aside from Rose has there ever been another player banned for life? Probably but usually players are suspended for 50, or 100 games, or for the rest of their careers. To ban him from baseball implies no HOF, can't ever coach on any level, etc. I don't pretend to know the technicalities, but that does seem a bit severe...

 

[mauconnfan]

If you saw him perform in the post season you know he wasn't worth $200 let alone $200 million.

He was awful last year you're right.....how was Papi last post season? Just curious?

 

[CL82]

He was awful last year you're right.....how was Papi last post season? Just curious?

Who has been on more world series champs? Just curious.

 

[superjohn]

In general I'm glad if there was such a preponderance of evidence against him. I don't think he's any more arrogant than most big league superstars, but honestly I have no personal knowledge of his persona vs. others like Pujols, etc.

I do find it kind of odd that it's a lifetime ban - aside from Rose has there ever been another player banned for life? Probably but usually players are suspended for 50, or 100 games, or for the rest of their careers. To ban him from baseball implies no HOF, can't ever coach on any level, etc. I don't pretend to know the technicalities, but that does seem a bit severe...

Lifetime ban or not, no way is A-Rod making the HOF.