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UConnJim said:
If either of these rumors came to fruition, it would mean one thing. The Big 12 will not last as a conference past the current GORs. No way Texas and Oklahoma are staying in a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise St., USF, and UCF for the long term.
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I can see BYU in the XII as they have a solid athletic program and would add some academic weight to the conference without threatening UT. The rest, such as USF and UCF, not a chance. UT will be in the PAC, SEC or B1G before that ever happens.
As for WVU, they really want Pitt with them. Outside of that choice, anyone east of the Mississippi would be of interest.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I can see BYU in the XII as they have a solid athletic program and would add some academic weight to the conference without threatening UT. The rest, such as USF and UCF, not a chance. UT will be in the PAC, SEC or B1G before that ever happens.
As for WVU, they really want Pitt with them. Outside of that choice, anyone east of the Mississippi would be of interest.
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BYU? Academic weight? You're joking. I would seriously send my child to Southern before BYU. The place is anti-intellectual. You get promoted there if you promise NOT to do research or publish, and doing research or getting published is frequently groudns for expulsion. I can't think of a worse school. It's rep is entirely a product of very smart Mormon kids with high SAT scores attending, but the faculty are bottom of the barrel.
 
JFowlerCBS 12:34pm via Web
Big 12 announces rev share of $198 million, which doesn't include third-tier rights or ESPN signing bonus. And WVU/TCU still on pct share

JFowlerCBS 12:36pm via Web
WVU and TCU getting half-shares gives the other eight schools another roughly $2 million. Puts them at around $22 million

jonsol 1:49pm via web
SEC announces $289.4 million distributed to schools. Average of $20.7 million.

jonsol 2:02pm via web
Slive on $289.4 million revenue amount: "Remember we're dividing by 14, so that's a pretty healthy number."
 
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upstater said:
BYU? Academic weight? You're joking. I would seriously send my child to Southern before BYU. The place is anti-intellectual. You get promoted there if you promise NOT to do research or publish, and doing research or getting published is frequently groudns for expulsion. I can't think of a worse school. It's rep is entirely a product of very smart Mormon kids with high SAT scores attending, but the faculty are bottom of the barrel.
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I have no first hand experience with BYU or any school in Texas; but, BYU based on second-hand talk and the magazine rankings, is higher ranked that most of the XII schools outside of UT.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I have no first hand experience with BYU or any school in Texas; but, BYU based on second-hand talk and the magazine rankings, is higher ranked that most of the XII schools outside of UT.
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A lot of the perception of BYU is based on censures by professional organizations, and the disposition of lawsuits regarding academic freedom. In other words, not rumors. USNews rankings are problematic, as they are based on the school's metrics. I have no doubt there are lots of very smart Mormon students there. But to banish professors for conducting research o for publishing seems to be against the spirit of education.
 
Like the Big 12 gives a damn about academics. They care about football - if they would play some defense I could get into it.
 
whaler11 said:
Like the Big 12 gives a damn about academics. They care about football - if they would play some defense I could get into it.
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Concur, except for U Texas. They are proud of their rankings and while Football is their #1 public priority, the academic strength of UT in science, engineering, tech and medicine is a major economic driver for Austin and to a lesser extent the rest of Texas.
 
Pretty sure Kansas cares about academics too.
 
The schools do. The league doesn't. They invited West Virginia... Pretty much shows you.
 
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whaler11 said:
The schools do. The league doesn't. They invited West Virginia... Pretty much shows you.
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I think too much is made about academics and athletic conferences. The only league, where this matters a little bit is the Big 10, and they were seriously contemplating Florida State reportedly. The ACC invited Louisville, which is worst than WVU reportedly, can they still claim to care about academics? Its all horse really.
 
I am wondering out loud here.

Why is it taking so long for the Maryland Judge to make a ruling?
If the GOR for the ACC is not truly set until the next year(supposedly July 1st) are they going to drag there feet to absolutely make sure nothing is decided with Maryland before that date?

Isn't that one of the bylaw issues Maryland is fighting over? Implementing something prior to the next year?

They could say it was approved, but they would know it isn't binding until the new year.
 
GopherHawk said:
I am wondering out loud here.

Why is it taking so long for the Maryland Judge to make a ruling?
If the GOR for the ACC is not truly set until the next year(supposedly July 1st) are they going to drag there feet to absolutely make sure nothing is decided with Maryland before that date?

Isn't that one of the bylaw issues Maryland is fighting over? Implementing something prior to the next year?

They could say it was approved, but they would know it isn't binding until the new year.
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Unfortunately, depending on the Judge's docket a decision could take months. Courts do not move exceptionally swift in making decisions, and with a higher profile case, such as the two suits involving the ACC and UMD, the Judge likely will take longer to make his or her decision. I wouldn't expect any answers to the legal questions everyone is following for awhile.

It will be interesting as these cases move along though. I can't wait to read the discovery responses when they are made public.
 
If Maryland's argument that the higher exit fee was not in effect until the next year because of the bylaws it correct than the GOR wouldn't be in effect until the next year either.

The ACC could have voted and it could have passed, but it wouldn't be in effect yet. They could announce that it passed making everyone feel cozy.

Again, just thinking out loud.
 
PS – Remember when one of the key criteria why UConn did not get an ACC invite last time around was because of the Huskies poor performance on the field and poor ticket sales in the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma?
Playing on New Year's Day on national TV in a major bowl game, long the goal of any big-time football program, sounds like a moneymaker. But with the exposure and prestige comes the harsh reality of the bowl culture. Schools lose money in large part because they are forced to sell millions of dollars worth of tickets and have to absorb the losses if they do not.​
The University of Connecticut lost $1,663,560 in its Bowl Championship Series game loss to Oklahoma on Jan.1, according to Mike Enright, associate athletic director for communications. The Huskies, like other Division I-A schools, had to file a report to the NCAA by March 1. The document shows that UConn was required to purchase $3,349,835 worth of tickets but realized only $676,248 from ticket sales. So the school was out $2,673,587 on ticket sales alone.​
So, after reading the below news about Florida, which is an unquestioned football power, does that mean they should be uninvited from the SEC?
Gators took nearly $1M loss on Sugar Bowl​
From a couple of perspectives, the Sugar Bowl wound up being bittersweet for the University of Florida. Falling to Charlie Strong and Louisville in New Orleans on Jan. 2 wasn't the only loss. ... The Gators also came out on the losing end financially because the school fell well short of selling its required allotment of 17,500 tickets. It was revealed at the UAA's annual budget meeting Wednesday that UF lost about $840,000 on the Sugar Bowl, mostly due to unsold tickets. UF was one of several SEC schools that took a loss on bowl ticket sales this past year, something that the league addressed at its annual spring meetings in Destin last month. Commissioner Mike Slive said the SEC will be pushing for a lower minimum number of tickets.​
Only good news here is that because this is Florida and the SEC, maybe the entire Bowl ticket allocation system, which reminds me of a mob shake-down, will finally be changed.
 
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I still get fired up with Hathoway every time I look at those numbers. Could he have butchered what should have been a wonderful opprtunity any worse? :mad:
 
woomba said:
That's a $1.8M gap between the two figures though...
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Maybe, but travelling from Florida to New Orleans, which you can do by car is much different from having to fly from Bradley to Phoenix.
 
specialisthusky said:
I still get fired up with Hathoway every time I look at those numbers. Could he have butchered what should have been a wonderful opprtunity any worse? :mad:
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This is something I don't understand: if we bought these tickets, each of which was going to turn into a pumpkin after the game (like Randy himself, but that's neither here nor there), why not offer them to students, gratis? If a loss is a loss, why not make something good of it?

I'm not talking about handing them out outside of the Student Union -- I'm saying, stop by the UConn table outside Gate XYZ to pick up your free tickets. I don't understand why, knowing we'd likely take it in the shorts, we didn't give tickets out to the people who could make an experience out of the trip.
 
woomba said:
That's a $1.8M gap between the two figures though...
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What you need to take into account though is that UConn had to purchase two sets of tickets, one for the Fiesta Bowl and one for the championship game. Because of the CG, the teams that didn't make it but whose fans bought tix in the expectations of making it, then flooded the market with ultra-cheap tix to the Fiesta Bowl. The school, meanwhile, sold tix in travel packages. The costs for the package was astronomical. That's why only 3k fans purchased the package, but if you look at the pictures of the field and stands (many fans here have posted those) it looks like at least 10k were there.
 
UConn9604 said:
This is something I don't understand: if we bought these tickets, each of which was going to turn into a pumpkin after the game (like Randy himself, but that's neither here nor there), why not offer them to students, gratis? If a loss is a loss, why not make something good of it?

I'm not talking about handing them out outside of the Student Union -- I'm saying, stop by the UConn table outside Gate XYZ to pick up your free tickets. I don't understand why, knowing we'd likely take it in the shorts, we didn't give tickets out to the people who could make an experience out of the trip.
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Because if you do, you're going to have problems. You'll crater the market and be left to pay out a huge amount.

The big mistake was transportation. They should have gotten rid of those travel packages tied to the tickets. And they should have sent students on buses out there with stops along the way.
 
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upstater said:
Because if you do, you're going to have two separate problems. One, you're crater the market and be left to pay out a huge amount. Two, they also had to sell tix to the NC game a week after because the Fiesta Bowl forced schools to buy 2 sets of tix, 17,500 for the Fiesta and 17,500 for the championship. If you start giving them away, then you have to pay for both games.

Lastly, the big mistake was transportation. They should have gotten rid of those travel packages tied to the tickets. And they should have sent students on buses out there with stops along the way.
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This is the first I'm hearing that Uconn was expected to sell 35K . any support on that?
Could be true, never heard it explained like that. If it is, want to make sure I have the facts.
Can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that the figure thrown out don't reflect the actual # of uconn fans at the game. And that Uconn's packages were well above market price.
 
UConn9604 said:
This is something I don't understand: if we bought these tickets, each of which was going to turn into a pumpkin after the game (like Randy himself, but that's neither here nor there), why not offer them to students, gratis? If a loss is a loss, why not make something good of it?

I'm not talking about handing them out outside of the Student Union -- I'm saying, stop by the UConn table outside Gate XYZ to pick up your free tickets. I don't understand why, knowing we'd likely take it in the shorts, we didn't give tickets out to the people who could make an experience out of the trip.
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If you start giving them away, then who's going to pay for them.
 
UConn Dan said:
If you start giving them away, then who's going to pay for them.
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I was talking about for the students only, and for the tickets that no one was willing to pay for. I paid for mine, but I would have had no problem if instead of eating a loss and getting nothing in return, we ate the loss and gave something to the students.
 
Marty Jackson said:
This is the first I'm hearing that Uconn was expected to sell 35K . any support on that?
Could be true, never heard it explained like that. If it is, want to make sure I have the facts.
Can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that the figure thrown out don't reflect the actual # of uconn fans at the game. And that Uconn's packages were well above market price.
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I screwed this up badly. This isn't what happened. What happened was this: the fans who purchased tix to the CG had to also purchase tix not only to the Fiesta Bowl, but also the Insight bowl. So, fans who were going to the CG were dumping tix for the Fiesta for $20 while UConn was selling them for $200. Somehow I got confused between who was forced to buy the extra tix and who wasn't.

By the way, here's one reason that Oklahoma was not going to flop in that game like so many big schools flop:
Oklahoma (12-2) carried plenty of BCS baggage after losing three straight title games and two Fiesta Bowls.
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Apparently, when you count player families and tix for corporate donors, the figures UConn "sold" were 4,700. That's 1,900 more than were bought by people outside the donor/player families.

So, we can say that 50% of the UConn fans who showed up for the game didn't get tickets from UConn's 17,500.
 
UConn9604 said:
I was talking about for the students only, and for the tickets that no one was willing to pay for. I paid for mine, but I would have had no problem if instead of eating a loss and getting nothing in return, we ate the loss and gave something to the students.
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Maybe they should make all student tickets free for big BCS/playoff bowl games (season ticket holders get first priority, then first come first serve). The biggest issue for students though is travel costs though. I remember buying final four tickets in 99 and the student prices were only like $150-200 for a pair for all 3 games. We all caravan-ed down and packed em in to hotels. One of my best experiences as a student. Plus my friend and I had an extra pair of tickets that we sold for $$$$$$.
 
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