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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

CL82 said:
It's a good piece that makes some intelligent observations.

America’s college athletic system is far too important to be jeopardized by short-term attempted “fixes” that do not address its long-term, systemic problems.

The notion of having one negotiated deal for college football would be a godsend for us assuming that every member got an equal share. There is no way the powers that be would ever allow that to happen. Even if a collectively negotiated contract would make them more money they would neither accept nor tolerate "lesser schools" earning equal revenue.
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And why should they? That would be like paying your good employees the same as your bad employees.
 
JwittersPAC said:
And why should they? That would be like paying your good employees the same as your bad employees.
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I don't know that the most high profile programs are our employers so much as our partners or coventures. That said, I agree with you a more egalitarian distribution of profits doesn't benefit the people who are currently taking the lion share of the profits even if it does mean that they get a more absolute dollars.
 
CL82 said:
I don't know that the most high profile programs are our employers so much as our partners or coventures. That said, I agree with you a more egalitarian distribution of profits doesn't benefit the people who are currently taking the lion share of the profits even if it does mean that they get a more absolute dollars.
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Well, then, maybe pay based upon viewership per game broadcast. After all, that is how the advertiser compensate the broadcast outlets, in the first place.

The University of Southern North Dacota at Hoople v Southwestern Northeast Idaho College of Dermatology will be compensated accordingly, as would UConn v Duke.
 
prankster said:
Well, then, maybe pay based upon viewership per game broadcast. After all, that is how the advertiser compensate the broadcast outlets, in the first place.

The University of Southern North Dacota at Hoople v Southwestern Northeast Idaho College of Dermatology will be compensated accordingly, as would UConn v Duke.
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Isn't that what the ACC is going to do?
 
prankster said:
Well, then, maybe pay based upon viewership per game broadcast. After all, that is how the advertiser compensate the broadcast outlets, in the first place.

The University of Southern North Dacota at Hoople v Southwestern Northeast Idaho College of Dermatology will be compensated accordingly, as would UConn v Duke.
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The deal is decided before the game is played. I guess you could base it upon prior your ratings, though it would be imperfect.
 
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CL82 said:
I don't know that the most high profile programs are our employers so much as our partners or coventures. That said, I agree with you a more egalitarian distribution of profits doesn't benefit the people who are currently taking the lion share of the profits even if it does mean that they get a more absolute dollars.
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Yeah I am not seeing combining all schools under 1 contract would give more money to the elite schools if all 136 FBS schools are getting the same share/amount. If anything I would argue following the NFL model and going to say maybe 40 schools would generate more income for those schools.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Yeah I am not seeing combining all schools under 1 contract would give more money to the elite schools if all 136 FBS schools are getting the same share/amount. If anything I would argue following the NFL model and going to say maybe 40 schools would generate more income for those schools.
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I'm inclined to agree
 
Isn’t this the path we’re on?
Used to be BCS with 5 conferences.
Now we’re at a P4 with #3 and #4 very distant, so people are saying P2.

And there are whispers of the P2 breaking off. That will be the media consolidation Gee is referring
 
Exit 4 said:
Oh yeah, well ND you are running out of new ideas to toxify this relationship further. The only thing left is leaving. Is that the plan now?

And if you leave, enjoy that B1G or SEC schedule.
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Exit 4 said:
Oh yeah, well ND you are running out of new ideas to toxify this relationship further. The only thing left is leaving. Is that the plan now?

And if you leave, enjoy that B1G or SEC schedule.
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Why do they need a conference tie in at this point, as long as they can fill their schedule they have a pathway to CFP assuming they can finish in the top 12 of the AP. Wouldn’t that be even easier with a carefully crafted schedule as an Indy?
 
Exit 4 said:
Oh yeah, well ND you are running out of new ideas to toxify this relationship further. The only thing left is leaving. Is that the plan now?

And if you leave, enjoy that B1G or SEC schedule.
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Feinbaum was adamant their resistance to join the system is the primary reason they god shafted. I tend to agree. Just join already - kill the Holier than Thou thing, it just doesn't have the same effect as it did.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Why do they need a conference tie in at this point, as long as they can fill their schedule they have a pathway to CFP assuming they can finish in the top 12 of the AP. Wouldn’t that be even easier with a carefully crafted schedule as an Indy?
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They need a conference for non-FB sports.
But the ACC needs ND more than the other way around.

You think the B12 wouldn't jump at the deal that ND has with the ACC?
 
RuffRuff said:
Feinbaum was adamant their resistance to join the system is the primary reason they god shafted.
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I disagree. Who among the B1G SEC B12 ACC wants ND to join a conference?
I argue none of them.
If they did, they would be out there saying "ND needs to make a decision."
And yet silence.
Because they know if ND joins one, it will likely be their competitor, and thus they get weaker by comparison.
 
Vowelguy said:
I disagree. Who among the B1G SEC B12 ACC wants ND to join a conference?
I argue none of them.
If they did, they would be out there saying "ND needs to make a decision."
And yet silence.
Because they know if ND joins one, it will likely be their competitor, and thus they get weaker by comparison.
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Hasn’t the B10 been holding the door wide open for them for several decades?

I see the argument, but I think the SEC/B10 in general would rather that ND be part of “their” system, rather than the ACC tie-in, which is a conference they’re actively looking to leave behind.

The ACC/B12 would similarly be thrilled as it would give them a fighting chance (or at least more of one) in an environment where the Big 2 are waiting to strip them of their top teams and discard the rest.

Self-interest and greed are the only real drivers of these ships. Otherwise the decision-making in CR would have been vastly different so far.
 
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Vowelguy said:
I disagree. Who among the B1G SEC B12 ACC wants ND to join a conference?
I argue none of them.
If they did, they would be out there saying "ND needs to make a decision."
And yet silence.
Because they know if ND joins one, it will likely be their competitor, and thus they get weaker by comparison.
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You fail to recognize the financial value it brings to the conference. None of this is about keeping out "good competition". Or else they'd bring Uconn in.
 
whiffnutmeg said:
Hasn’t the B10 been holding the door wide open for them for several decades?

I see the argument, but I think the SEC/B10 in general would rather that ND be part of “their” system, rather than the ACC tie-in, which is a conference they’re actively looking to leave behind.

The ACC/B12 would similarly be thrilled as it would give them a fighting chance (or at least more of one) in an environment where the Big 2 are waiting to strip them of their top teams and discard the rest.

Self-interest and greed are the only real drivers of these ships. Otherwise the decision-making in CR would have been vastly different so far.
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You misunderstand the point. YES every conference would LOVE to have ND.
But they dont want to force ND into the arms of another.

  • Why doesn't the SEC tell ND "make a decision" Because the SEC knows ND is unlikely to pick them and will only make their competitor the B1G stronger, or, even worse, save the ACC.
  • Why doesnt the B12 tell ND "make a decision." Because if they pick the ACC, the B12 becomes conference #4?
  • Why doesn't the ACC tell ND "make a decision." While ND could pick them, they also could not, and then the ACC ends up even worse off.
  • similar for B1G

The only people who want ND to join a conference are CFB fans. I've seen no evidence that any leagues have interest in forcing ND to make a choice.
 
RuffRuff said:
You fail to recognize the financial value it brings to the conference. None of this is about keeping out "good competition". Or else they'd bring Uconn in.
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By competitor, I meant competitor conference.
 
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man if ND joined the ACC and revives it, it might be the move that single-handedly saves college football and forces the tide to turn toward sanity/normalcy again. Pac12 comes back, Mountain West takes back their children, Big East Football comes back with ACC castaways, which is good enough for UConn, and everyone has around 12 teams again.

i know this isn't what happens, but one can dream
 
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