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Kowalski said:
But I think more importantly, the achievable season goal for top teams in these conferences is getting a spot in the CFB playoff
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If UConn can’t even COMPETE in the ACC in the long term at the current level of investment how in the world are we supposed to make the CFP as a member of the AAC when we wouldn’t be getting the benefit of additional revenue?
 
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bendm said:
If UConn can’t even COMPETE in the ACC in the long term at the current level of investment how in the world are we supposed to make the CFP as a member of the AAC when we wouldn’t be getting the benefit of additional revenue?
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I guess because G5 conference programs aren’t at the level of a P4 conference, and generally don’t have programs that invest at the P4 level. We may be around a top 10 G5 FB team now. So I don’t have any concerns about Uconn be able to compete with the top G5 conference schools.
 
Kowalski said:
I guess because G5 conference programs aren’t at the level of a P4 conference, and generally don’t have programs that invest at the P4 level. We may be around a top 10 G5 FB team now. So I don’t have any concerns about Uconn be able to compete with the top G5 conference schools.
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Ah ok I think I finally understand. The ultimate goal for some is to sneak into the cfp one year by getting the G5 auto bid and then lose by 60 in the first round. What dreams are made of!

I’d rather be in a P4, take our lumps early playing a legit schedule, get better over time, maybe win the conference once every decade, earn an at large bid to the CFP and have a fighting chance.
 
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bendm said:
Ah ok I think I finally understand. The ultimate hope is to one day be better than any AAC or PAC team in a given year, squeak into the cfp as a 12 seed and lose by 60 to the 5 seed. What dreams are made of.
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I did not realize making the CFP was not something to be proud of. By the way do you think it will be much better as the ACC champion? This years ACC champion will get smoked in the first round of the CFP.
 
bendm said:
Ah ok I think I finally understand. The ultimate goal for some is to sneak into the cfp one year by getting the G5 auto bid and then lose by 60 in the first round. What dreams are made of!

I’d rather be in a P4, take our lumps early playing a legit schedule, get better over time, maybe win the conference once every decade, earn an at large bid to the CFP and have a fighting chance.
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I’d definitely rather be in a P4. It’s UConn’s goal & it should be.
But if Uconn doesn’t get a legit P4 invite (not like SMUs deal), my point is I’d rather be in a G5 conference than remain independent because it at least gives Uconn a realistic shot at an automatic playoff spot. An independent has to get an at invite & I doubt they’d ever give one to Uconn with their independent schedule (& take a spot away from a P2).
 
bendm said:
It’s more likely UConn scraps football than gets offered a full revenue share in year 1 from the BIG12 or ACC, if that’s what you mean by “the deal”
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Deal now meaning current BE media and other side deals with CBS sports.

There is no reason UConn should put itself in a worse financial position while being the dominant college basketball program and having a resurgent football program.
 
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bendm said:
The same ACC we wouldn’t even be competitive in? Then I Shudder to think what would happen to us.
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There is not much difference between ACC winner and winner of G5 conferences. Either one will get smoked in the playoffs this year.
 
JwittersPAC said:
There is not much difference between ACC winner and winner of G5 conferences. Either one will get smoked in the playoffs this year.
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Maybe this year. I was arguing the same thing but was informed it was a fluke and we would not be competitive in the ACC year in/year out. Reread the last couple pages of this thread and see for yourself.

So if we wouldn’t be competitive in the ACC, and there isn’t much difference between the winner of the G5 conferences and the winner of the ACC, how could we magically be the best G5 team? Doesn't add up.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Wrestelmania and now the Holiday Bowl in Saudi Arabia? They just gotta stop acting like a bunch of escorts to sovereign wealth money. Geez. have some respect for your fans.
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And NASCAR is thinking of racing in Saudi Arabia. Not sure if it the Cup Series or NASCAR European Series. I'd love to see what would happen if it was a Truck race and Toni Beringer (She's a truck driver for Tricon Garage) raced there.

Every sport is going to pay channels ..Truck is on FS1, Cup races are on USA and Peacock and Amazon. O'REILLY'S is on The CW...
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Disagree - if only for the reason that we'd lose our 3-4 ACC games per year. Bad for the football program and bad for the fans. Hard pass.
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A Hard Pass? We can still Schedule 3 or 4 ACC teams. However, I'd rather be in the PAC than an AAC football only.My first choice would be Big 12, then ACC then PAC then AAC. Independent in football will not be sustainable. If we got into the ACC, any game with Duke would be classics and I'd love to see Cal or Stanford at the Rent... Kansas vs UConn basketball or ASU/UConn basketball would be fun if we hit the Big12...
 
noeynox said:
That could build us an on campus stadium, just saying.
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I guess Goodwin can start an Athletic Department and use the Rent as a Lax, Soccer, field hockey and Quidditch field. Maybe a Goodwin- Johns Hopkins LAX game will fill the stadium.

The Rent, home of the Goodwin University Glawackus!! 😀
 
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ArtTheFan said:
I guess Goodwin can start an Athletic Department and use the Rent as a Lax, Soccer, field hockey and Quidditch field. Maybe a Goodwin- Johns Hopkins LAX game will fill the stadium.

The Rent, home of the Goodwin University Glawackus!! 😀
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I'm not suggesting we should, just that a 600 million price tag to join a P4 is so ridiculous, it could pay for something as inconceivable as an on campus stadium. The Rent is great.
 
UConnJim said:
For those who think UConn wouldn't need to invest more in football to be competitive in the ACC read this.

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Spend more? It's in acquisition of talent for the resources you have= maximizing value. Mora is finding different way to build roster. BC is trying to build the roster like clemson builds their roster.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Spend more? It's in acquisition of talent for the resources you have= maximizing value. Mora is finding different way to build roster. BC is trying to build the roster like clemson builds their roster.
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In 2024 we went 1-3 against the ACC, losing by 7 or less in the 3 losses, 2 on the road. This year to date we are 2-1, with the only loss in OT on the road. I know it’s not the top of the ACC but I would say we are competitive now and will only improve with a move to P4.

Not sure we have zero leverage but it’s certainly a weak position. I would agree to take in zero dollars related to football for the first 5 or so years, maybe something performance related. Extra ticket sales should make up the little money we get from CBS now, but we have to receive revenue for our 2 basketball teams in line with the basketball allotment . We need to keep NCAA credits and some baseline.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Spend more? It's in acquisition of talent for the resources you have= maximizing value. Mora is finding different way to build roster. BC is trying to build the roster like clemson builds their roster.
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Did you read the story? You are oversimplifying. This is about moving BC from last place in spending to something on par with VT, UVA, Duke, Wake, etc.

Stories like this make you realize how fortunate we have been scouting the right players for the right prices to get good results. Its going to take a lot of skill and luck to continue to mine the portal for "value" options. AI will be working overtime by all parties.

This also brings to the forefront the challenges ahead if UConn if its so lucky to land in the ACC, but on a super low dough ticket. Again the conversations around UConn are not strictly about whether to admit UConn based its accomplishments to date, its also about whether or not UConn has the capacity to compete while the Conf harvests our financial output for meaningful period of time. Y

They only way we could ever have leverage here is if the B12 suddenly falls in love with us again (unlikely as of today) and/or we suddenly produced a football team that is regularly ranked in the top 25.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Spend more? It's in acquisition of talent for the resources you have= maximizing value. Mora is finding different way to build roster. BC is trying to build the roster like clemson builds their roster.
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Seriously? That is what you got out of the article?

What do you think UConn's record would be this year if UConn played BC's schedule with our roster:
Fordham, @Michigan St., @Stanford, Cal, @Pitt, Clemson, UConn, @Louisville, Notre Dame, SMU, GT, @Syracuse?

Maybe 3 or 4 wins?

This year, UConn played a G5 schedule with 3 P4's sprinkled in. Two of the P4s, BC and Syracuse, are among the worst P4 schools this year. UConn is beating the G5s on the schedule because we have better players primarily due to higher spending than most G5s. We spend more on football than all 9 G5 opponents this year.

If UConn played a P4 schedule, we would have to spend more money for players and coaches to be competitive.
 
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UConnJim said:
For those who think UConn wouldn't need to invest more in football to be competitive in the ACC read this.

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If BC is spending $5-6 mil on their roster with a full media share for the last 20 years, their days are numbered in anything resembling a “P4”. No surprise.
They used to use their baseball field to park cars for tailgating.
 
UConnJim said:
Seriously? That is what you got out of the article?

What do you think UConn's record would be this year if UConn played BC's schedule with our roster:
Fordham, @Michigan St., @Stanford, Cal, @Pitt, Clemson, UConn, @Louisville, Notre Dame, SMU, GT, @Syracuse?

Maybe 3 or 4 wins?

This year, UConn played a G5 schedule with 3 P4's sprinkled in. Two of the P4s, BC and Syracuse, are among the worst P4 schools this year. UConn is beating the G5s on the schedule because we have better players primarily due to higher spending than most G5s. We spend more on football than all 9 G5 opponents this year.

If UConn played a P4 schedule, we would have to spend more money for players and coaches to be competitive.
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It doesn’t happen in a season or two.
The first phase was to stabilize the program and to start being competitive. Eliminate the laughingstock image…. Check

The next step was to elevate the talent, and get some consistency in our coaching ranks. Check

Now, the phase we’re in is to start winning the games on our schedule. Mora is doing that. We’re scheduling games that we can win and games that create opportunities to get some attention.

Next phase will be to challenge for the Top G5 program. I think that starts to happen, barring setbacks over the next couple seasons.

If we can stay the course, keep Mora and staff, continue the upward trajectory, we should be Top 5 G5. That gets us in national conversation and gets fans in the seats.

After that, we all know the ultimate goal. Land a P4 spot.
 
uconnyankee said:
It doesn’t happen in a season or two.
The first phase was to stabilize the program and to start being competitive. Eliminate the laughingstock image…. Check

The next step was to elevate the talent, and get some consistency in our coaching ranks. Check

Now, the phase we’re in is to start winning the games on our schedule. Mora is doing that. We’re scheduling games that we can win and games that create opportunities to get some attention.

Next phase will be to challenge for the Top G5 program. I think that starts to happen, barring setbacks over the next couple seasons.

If we can stay the course, keep Mora and staff, continue the upward trajectory, we should be Top 5 G5. That gets us in national conversation and gets fans in the seats.

After that, we all know the ultimate goal. Land a P4 spot.
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I would add that somehow we need to put more money into the football program. Where that money is going to come from, I do not know.
 
UConnJim said:
Seriously? That is what you got out of the article?

What do you think UConn's record would be this year if UConn played BC's schedule with our roster:
Fordham, @Michigan St., @Stanford, Cal, @Pitt, Clemson, UConn, @Louisville, Notre Dame, SMU, GT, @Syracuse?

Maybe 3 or 4 wins?

This year, UConn played a G5 schedule with 3 P4's sprinkled in. Two of the P4s, BC and Syracuse, are among the worst P4 schools this year. UConn is beating the G5s on the schedule because we have better players primarily due to higher spending than most G5s. We spend more on football than all 9 G5 opponents this year.

If UConn played a P4 schedule, we would have to spend more money for players and coaches to be competitive.
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BC is gonna go 2-10 at best

Yes. UConn would spend more but it also has to do with philosophy. Just don't throw cash at 4 stars.

What impact transfers does BC have on their team? What's their portal strategy?

UConn goes and gets players that want PT in portal. That doesn't change if they move to P4. You just, potentially, get even better transfers because you spend more money.

Money is a tool. It doesn't guarantee anything. You have to scout and build a team like a professional program. You are year to year.

I think BCs issues are strategy and player acquisition issues. Spending their limited resources in the wrong places
 
JohnFSilver said:
BC is gonna go 2-10 at best

Yes. UConn would spend more but it also has to do with philosophy. Just don't throw cash at 4 stars.

What impact transfers does BC have on their team? What's their portal strategy?

UConn goes and gets players that want PT in portal. That doesn't change if they move to P4. You just, potentially, get even better transfers because you spend more money.

Money is a tool. It doesn't guarantee anything. You have to scout and build a team like a professional program. You are year to year.

I think BCs issues are strategy and player acquisition issues. Spending their limited resources in the wrong places
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I just disagree with you and I believe this kind of thinking has driven football spending at UConn for too long and it is why football has performed as it has over the years. I used to hear that if UConn was invited to the P5, then UConn would get more money and be able invest more in football. No, you invest to prove you belong and then you get invited. That is the TCU/UCF/Cincy/Houston/SMU/BYU model.

UConn was fortunate to get Jim Mora at a discount and get Joe Fagnano from Maine (thanks Nick Charlton), but if UConn had to replace them, the price will be high. Do you think UConn can get a successful football coach for what they are currently paying Mora? I don't think so. And, what about Fagnano? What would it cost to find an experienced successful QB replacement for Joe? Sure, UConn can try to go cheap, but it will be difficult to win consistently.

BC is spending less on football than everybody in the ACC and then people wonder why they are performing so poorly. And, BC has not adjusted their academic model to the transfer portal which limits portal options as well. Duke massively increased their spending on football and the results are there.
 
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UConnJim said:
I just disagree with you and I believe this kind of thinking has driven football spending at UConn for too long and it is why football has performed as it has over the years. I used to hear that if UConn was invited to the P5, then UConn would get more money and be able invest more in football. No, you invest to prove you belong and then you get invited. That is the TCU/UCF/Cincy/Houston/SMU/BYU model.

UConn was fortunate to get Jim Mora at a discount and get Joe Fagnano from Maine (thanks Nick Charlton), but if UConn had to replace them, the price will be high. Do you think UConn can get a successful football coach for what they are currently paying Mora? I don't think so. And, what about Fagnano? What would it cost to find an experienced successful QB replacement for Joe? Sure, UConn can try to go cheap, but it will be difficult to win consistently.

BC is spending less on football than everybody in the ACC and then people wonder why they are performing so poorly. And, BC has not adjusted their academic model to the transfer portal which limits portal options as well. Duke massively increased their spending on football and the results are there.
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I actually think Mora and Fagnano have made our program so much more attractive which will help us get another good coach and QB.
 
LetsGoUC said:
I actually think Mora and Fagnano have made our program so much more attractive which will help us get another good coach and QB.
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JwittersPAC said:
Yes it will make a coach and QB to highly consider UConn but they still want to be paid market rates. I do not think a QB or a coach is taking a discount to play here.
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Nice thing is a lower level FBS or FCS QB without any major offers knows he has an HC, OC and QB coach with a track record. UConn has shown it can polish a diamond in the rough. It's not a requirement to break the NIL bank on one QB. UConn still needs to spread its NIL money out to get as many good players as possible.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Nice thing is a lower level FBS or FCS QB without any major offers knows he has an HC, OC and QB coach with a track record. UConn has shown it can polish a diamond in the rough. It's not a requirement to break the NIL bank on one QB. UConn still needs to spread its NIL money out to get as many good players as possible.
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Understand. But I think expectations need to be reasonable. JF greatly exceeded expectations. Look through the teams in the G5 and P4 and many QBs do not live up to expectations. There are many college football teams with excellent head coach, OC and QB coach. For example, I would say Evers was a miss. We should expect next years QB not to be remotely as successful as JF.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Yes it will make a coach and QB to highly consider UConn but they still want to be paid market rates. I do not think a QB or a coach is taking a discount to play here.
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A QB won't have to. UConn put out a press release stating they will fully fund revenue sharing starting from next year.
 
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