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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

UConnJim said:
Maryland has had 3 head coaches (plus an interim) since joining the Big 10: Edsall, DJ Durkin, and Mike Locksley. I wouldn't call any of them great coaches. Rutgers has had 3 coaches as well: Flood, Ash, and Schiano. Again, not good coaches. Schiano has not had a winning Big 10 record in any season and he is 13-34 in the Big 10 since he returned.
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Shame on Rutgers and Maryland, they should have done better. To be fair, it would be very difficult for any new member no matter their pedigree to become a top 20%-er in that conference with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC... More likely any new member is going to be like Nebraska, or Rutgers
 
Chin Diesel said:
From USA Today this morning.

www.usatoday.com

No time to stand still: SEC needs Florida State, Clemson to close gap with Big Ten

Florida State and Clemson showed last weekend what we've known all along: they're the perfect fit for the SEC. Sooner than later.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com
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FSU is obvious. UNC over Clemson might be the better overall play vis-a-vis CR and eminent domain. The top 30 "most valuable programs" not in the P2 include FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Utah, TCU

Followed by:
Va Tech, NC State, Texas Tech, Okie State, Arizona State......

www.nytimes.com

College football program valuations: Ranking every Power 4 team by how much they’d sell for

College football programs may not be for sale, but what if they were? Here's our best guess at how much the Power 4 would sell for.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Kolumbo said:
Shame on Rutgers and Maryland, they should have done better. To be fair, it would be very difficult for any new member no matter their pedigree to become a top 20%-er in that conference with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC... More likely any new member is going to be like Nebraska, or Rutgers
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Someone has to finish in the bottom half of every conference, it just should not always be the same teams, but in CFB, that will be the case more often than not. Rutgers should be better in FB and Bball based on recruiting area.
 
Kolumbo said:
When the Big Ten brought in Rutgers and Maryland, there was a P5. The ACC, Big 12 and Big Ten were just feeding from the Big East buffet and yes, Maryland was the biggest surprise leaving the ACC. I don't think the B1G envisioned a complete consolidation to a P2 and having the Big Ten invite the PAC schools and having the SEC invite Texas and Oklahoma. If they envisioned this is how things would play out, I don't think they would have invited Rutgers and Maryland. Every program has football potential if you have P2 money and hire great coaches. It's been 11 years and Rutgers and Maryland are just barely average programs.
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Maryland and Rutgers still aren’t receiving full shares, but they are close to it now. They have been at a financial disadvantage compared to the rest of the B1G. They are now close to being an equal share member. Doesn’t mean that will translate to success, but it’s hard to be successful in a conference where you are paid less than everyone else in that conference.
 
Kolumbo said:
Shame on Rutgers and Maryland, they should have done better. To be fair, it would be very difficult for any new member no matter their pedigree to become a top 20%-er in that conference with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC... More likely any new member is going to be like Nebraska, or Rutgers
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If you are mediocre or worse heading into a new conference, you will continue to be mediocre or worse unless you make wholesale changes.
 
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Kolumbo said:
FSU is obvious. UNC over Clemson might be the better overall play vis-a-vis CR and eminent domain. The top 30 "most valuable programs" not in the P2 include FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Utah, TCU

Followed by:
Va Tech, NC State, Texas Tech, Okie State, Arizona State......

www.nytimes.com

College football program valuations: Ranking every Power 4 team by how much they’d sell for

College football programs may not be for sale, but what if they were? Here's our best guess at how much the Power 4 would sell for.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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An SEC play of Clemson, FSU, GT and Miami permanently freezes the B1G out of the Southeast. Concede the mid-Atlantic of NC and VA to the B1G in exchange for locking out SC, GA and FL.
 
Chin Diesel said:
An SEC play of Clemson, FSU, GT and Miami permanently freezes the B1G out of the Southeast. Concede the mid-Atlantic of NC and VA to the B1G in exchange for locking out SC, GA and FL.
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That makes sense but I don't think the SEC should concede North Carolina. Population and geography make it so valuable and would really lock the Big Ten out of the south-east.
 
UConnJim said:
If you are mediocre or worse heading into a new conference, you will continue to be mediocre or worse unless you make wholesale changes.
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Shhhh, don't say that too loudly. Although UConn has hit a home run with Mora but wholesale changes would include that elusive on-campus stadium
 
UConnJim said:
I don't think bringing in Rutgers and Maryland was a bad move over the long run, but neither school has shown much so far. Both of those schools have football potential if they get alumni/donors to support them and they make the right coaching hire. Schiano and Locksley are not the right coaches. Look at Iowa. Middle of nowhere with no local recruiting base and from 1961 until 1980, they were bad until they hired Hayden Fry.
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You know they joined the Big 10 in 2014, right? How long is long term? Other than a brief burst in the early 2000s Rutgers has been pretty dreadful. Maryland, other than a few teams under Fridgen has not been a significant player since the 1980s. I believe they have 1 outright ACC championship. They too have been a mess since joining the Big 10. They don’t draw crowds. They are the 3rd option behind 2 NFL teams in their region.
 
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Kolumbo said:
An Allstate sponsored conference needs a member further east than Morgantown. It can't just exclude the entire northeast
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@Kolumbo, mate, you're thinking with your heart, but Allstate and the Big 12 ain't thinking with their heads...they can and most certainly will exclude the northeast. They just don't need us as much as we need them, wish it wasn't true, but that's our reality.
 
KryHavok said:
@Kolumbo, mate, you're thinking with your heart, but Allstate and the Big 12 ain't thinking with their heads...they can and most certainly will exclude the northeast. They just don't need us as much as we need them, wish it wasn't true, but that's our reality.
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Just think Charlie Brown and Lucy in the future and he will get it right
 
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Ha Who said:
Just think Charlie Brown and Lucy in the future and he will get it right
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Ich bin Charlie Brown. Yormark is still thinking a few moves ahead

its the great pumpkin charlie brown GIF
 
freescooter said:
You know they joined the Big 10 in 2014, right? How long is long term? Other than a brief burst in the early 2000s Rutgers has been pretty dreadful. Maryland, other than a few teams under Fridgen has not been a significant player since the 1980s. I believe they have 1 outright ACC championship. They too have been a mess since joining the Big 10. They don’t draw crowds. They are the 3rd option behind 2 NFL teams in their region.
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Maryland ended the season ranked 5x in the 70s, 3x in the 80s, and 4x in the 2000s. They have 9 ACC championships. In my opinion, they just need the right coach to help motivate the alums to increase support. Rutgers has a poorly run administration and athletic department which hampers their athletic teams.
 
Rutgers has had a poorly run administration since 1980 at least.

As far as Maryland goes, the Terps have done nothing. They wine 1 ACC title since the 1980s. They had a few ranked teams 20 years ago.
 
UConnJim said:
Maryland ended the season ranked 5x in the 70s, 3x in the 80s, and 4x in the 2000s. They have 9 ACC championships. In my opinion, they just need the right coach to help motivate the alums to increase support. Rutgers has a poorly run administration and athletic department which hampers their athletic teams.
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The great fallacy of CR. Everyone wants to move up and get into a better conference. When there were 6 BCS conferences most teams had a legitimate chance of competing within the conference and perhaps winning a conference championship. Ruttie and Maryland could very well be better programs today than they were 10 years ago but they are in the Big Ten. They are not winning a conference championship anytime soon. Heck Ruttie tied USC last year for the #9 spot. Not bad at all. There will be anomalies, like Indiana finishing 2nd while Nebraska, Michigan State, Washington, Wisconsin finished in the bottom half. All this CR is better for the bank. Not better for the fans. As has been pointed out, some teams have to finish in the bottom half. Most are playing to make a bowl game rather than a conference championship or CFP.

After all that, the ACC or Big 12 is where UConn needs to land. 😉
 
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