Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[BlueHen]

He's not searching for new expansion members, maybe because he has already found them?

 

[LoyalFanCT]

this is a clear indication that all of this speculation that four or so ACC members will land in B12 soon is doubtful. Maybe they would take Louisville.

 

[CL82]

this is a clear indication that all of this speculation that four or so ACC members will land in B12 soon is doubtful. Maybe they would take Louisville.

Well, arguably, he could not be "searching" for new members but be "open to listening" to new members make their case why they would be a good addition to the conference.

 

[Luna]

this is a clear indication that all of this speculation that four or so ACC members will land in B12 soon is doubtful. Maybe they would take Louisville.

They would take Pittsburgh in a New York second

 

[CL82]

They would take Pittsburgh in a New York second

Why?

 

[Luna]

Why?

It would be Pitt.. West Virginia and Cincinnati playing each other.. which are great rivalry’s… Pitt is a pretty big name football school

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Why?

One of the reasons ACC took Pitt over UConn a long time ago was because the old B12 was looking at adding Pitt. With WVU in the B12, it makes sense to add Pitt.

 

[CL82]

One of the reasons ACC took Pitt over UConn a long time ago was because the old B12 was looking at adding Pitt. With WVU in the B12, it makes sense to add Pitt.

I remember that now that you mention it. Of course I also remember that they went 3–9 last year. Not that we are in a position to throw stones.

 

[History Geek]

Why?

Start developing the eastern wing with a current member’s blood rival.

 

[speckle]

Interesting article from Tampa Bay haven't seen covered here yet. Pretty funny to have the Big Ten suing in Florida to keep the ACC contract confidential. All good stuff happens in the dark lol.

SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 join ACC in opposing release of ESPN contracts
Their unity came in response from last month’s lawsuit by the Florida Attorney General as FSU looks to leave the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The ACC remains in litigation with Florida State, Attorney General Ashley Moody and Clemson.
The ACC remains in litigation with Florida State, Attorney General Ashley Moody and Clemson. [ ERIK VERDUZCO | AP ]
By
Matt BakerTimes staff
Published Yesterday
The three power conferences have joined with the Atlantic Coast Conference in urging a Tallahassee court to protect the ACC’s TV deals with ESPN.

Their unity came through court filings Wednesday in response to a complaint by Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody last month. Moody accused the ACC of breaking Florida’s public records law by not providing a copy of the league’s TV contracts with ESPN. Those documents are potentially relevant in the ongoing dueling lawsuits between Florida State and the ACC as the Seminoles consider leaving the league.

The ACC, SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 argued in Leon County Circuit Court records that the documents must remain confidential to protect trade secrets.


Though some financial details have become public, the ACC said the ESPN contracts have other trade secrets, too — everything from how football broadcasts are selected to operational costs, sponsorship information, signage, future payouts and “conference composition provisions.”

“Kept confidential, they plainly confer the ACC a competitive advantage and benefit,” the filing said.

The ACC’s conference competitors agreed in an amicus brief. In addition to the financial terms, their TV contracts (with ESPN and others) include details like commercial spots, benefits to corporate sponsors and necessary accommodations for producing the broadcasts.

If TV networks knew a conference was willing to offer a specific package of games at a certain price to one broadcaster, they could use that knowledge to negotiate against the league.

“Requiring disclosure of those media agreements would make the Conferences’ confidential strategies available to their competitors and other potential contracting counterparties,” the Big Ten/Big 12/SEC brief said.

ESPN went even farther in its brief. The network said releasing its contracts would allow competitors to “gain a leg up on ESPN in the next round of negotiations with rightsholders.” Florida would be harmed, its filing said, because ESPN and other networks might balk at doing business with state schools if their contracts could become public.


The conferences said there’s no record of any of their previous TV contracts being disclosed publicly. The ACC keeps its deals at its North Carolina office under strict confidentiality protocols; only four conference employees have full access to them.

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody has argued that the ACC's TV contracts with ESPN should be public under the state's open records law.
Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody has argued that the ACC's TV contracts with ESPN should be public under the state's open records law. [ IVY CEBALLO | Times (2022) ]
Moody has argued that the contract is a public record because it involves the “official business” of a state entity (FSU) or someone acting on behalf of that state entity (the ACC). Florida law also says that documents are public if they’re examined by state lawyers for a public reason, and FSU’s counsel has reviewed the contracts.

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The ACC countered that FSU is not a party to the league’s contract with ESPN. Neither FSU nor Florida taxpayers pay the ACC, so there’s “no commingling of public and private monies.” The league also argued that Leon County has no jurisdiction over the conference, which is based in North Carolina and does little business in Florida.

The ESPN contracts are a key part of the ongoing dueling lawsuits between FSU and the ACC (and the similar but separate dueling lawsuits between the ACC and Clemson). As the cases proceed, a judge (or judges) will have to interpret those contracts and a related document, the grant of rights, to determine who owns the TV rights if the Seminoles and Tigers leave the ACC before 2036. If the TV rights belong to the schools, their only exit cost would be a $140 million fee. If the rights belong to the conference, FSU estimates the total price tag is at least $572 million and maybe as much as $700 million.


The ACC pushed back on the relevance of the ESPN contracts to the schools’ potential exit obligations.

 

[NH Husky]

Why?

Again, pure speculation. If they were to add 4 teams, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn would make sense and fit in with the “New York hoops” scheme.

 

[buddy]

Again, pure speculation. If they were to add 4 teams, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn would make sense and fit in with the “New York hoops” scheme.

Unfortunately, making sense doesn't make sense in conference realignment.

 

[KryHavok]

Again, pure speculation. If they were to add 4 teams, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn would make sense and fit in with the “New York hoops” scheme.

Makes sense, has historical significance, and would benefit us...so naturally it cannot happen since CR never seems to break our way.

 

[Kolumbo]

 

[ZooCougar]

Interesting article from Tampa Bay haven't seen covered here yet. Pretty funny to have the Big Ten suing in Florida to keep the ACC contract confidential. All good stuff happens in the dark lol.

SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 join ACC in opposing release of ESPN contracts
Their unity came in response from last month’s lawsuit by the Florida Attorney General as FSU looks to leave the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The ACC remains in litigation with Florida State, Attorney General Ashley Moody and Clemson.
The ACC remains in litigation with Florida State, Attorney General Ashley Moody and Clemson. [ ERIK VERDUZCO | AP ]
By
Matt BakerTimes staff
Published Yesterday
The three power conferences have joined with the Atlantic Coast Conference in urging a Tallahassee court to protect the ACC’s TV deals with ESPN.

Their unity came through court filings Wednesday in response to a complaint by Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody last month. Moody accused the ACC of breaking Florida’s public records law by not providing a copy of the league’s TV contracts with ESPN. Those documents are potentially relevant in the ongoing dueling lawsuits between Florida State and the ACC as the Seminoles consider leaving the league.

The ACC, SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 argued in Leon County Circuit Court records that the documents must remain confidential to protect trade secrets.


Though some financial details have become public, the ACC said the ESPN contracts have other trade secrets, too — everything from how football broadcasts are selected to operational costs, sponsorship information, signage, future payouts and “conference composition provisions.”

“Kept confidential, they plainly confer the ACC a competitive advantage and benefit,” the filing said.

The ACC’s conference competitors agreed in an amicus brief. In addition to the financial terms, their TV contracts (with ESPN and others) include details like commercial spots, benefits to corporate sponsors and necessary accommodations for producing the broadcasts.

If TV networks knew a conference was willing to offer a specific package of games at a certain price to one broadcaster, they could use that knowledge to negotiate against the league.

“Requiring disclosure of those media agreements would make the Conferences’ confidential strategies available to their competitors and other potential contracting counterparties,” the Big Ten/Big 12/SEC brief said.

ESPN went even farther in its brief. The network said releasing its contracts would allow competitors to “gain a leg up on ESPN in the next round of negotiations with rightsholders.” Florida would be harmed, its filing said, because ESPN and other networks might balk at doing business with state schools if their contracts could become public.


The conferences said there’s no record of any of their previous TV contracts being disclosed publicly. The ACC keeps its deals at its North Carolina office under strict confidentiality protocols; only four conference employees have full access to them.

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody has argued that the ACC's TV contracts with ESPN should be public under the state's open records law.
Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody has argued that the ACC's TV contracts with ESPN should be public under the state's open records law. [ IVY CEBALLO | Times (2022) ]
Moody has argued that the contract is a public record because it involves the “official business” of a state entity (FSU) or someone acting on behalf of that state entity (the ACC). Florida law also says that documents are public if they’re examined by state lawyers for a public reason, and FSU’s counsel has reviewed the contracts.

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The ACC countered that FSU is not a party to the league’s contract with ESPN. Neither FSU nor Florida taxpayers pay the ACC, so there’s “no commingling of public and private monies.” The league also argued that Leon County has no jurisdiction over the conference, which is based in North Carolina and does little business in Florida.

The ESPN contracts are a key part of the ongoing dueling lawsuits between FSU and the ACC (and the similar but separate dueling lawsuits between the ACC and Clemson). As the cases proceed, a judge (or judges) will have to interpret those contracts and a related document, the grant of rights, to determine who owns the TV rights if the Seminoles and Tigers leave the ACC before 2036. If the TV rights belong to the schools, their only exit cost would be a $140 million fee. If the rights belong to the conference, FSU estimates the total price tag is at least $572 million and maybe as much as $700 million.


The ACC pushed back on the relevance of the ESPN contracts to the schools’ potential exit obligations.

Non Key

 

[ZooCougar]

Makes sense, has historical significance, and would benefit us...so naturally it cannot happen since CR never seems to break our way.

What makes sense to us. May not make sense to others.

This stuff always goes down in late summer when college football is peaking and people forget that basketball exists.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Vowelguy]

They would take Pittsburgh in a New York second

I'm not sure Pitt is even in the top 10 of most desirable ACC teams.

 

[Vowelguy]

define "routinely"

 

[huskymedic]

define "routinely"

“Under a bill filed by prominent Republican House members, UNC and NC State would be required to play at least one of East Carolina, Appalachian State and Charlotte every year and would have to play each school home and away every six years.”

 

[Vowelguy]

One of the reasons ACC took Pitt over UConn a long time ago was because the old B12 was looking at adding Pitt. With WVU in the B12, it makes sense to add Pitt.

In the old BigEast (post BC-Mia-VT), Pitt was one of the most attractive options (esp if the Big12 didnt want to get too far off footprint).

Not so much in the ACC.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[GoConn]

Yet, UConn doesn't even entertain the idea of a brand new on-campus stadium.

From personal experience as a student and having to go on a 30 min bus ride, it was awful. I didn't blame anyone for not wanting to tag along.

 

[CL82]

Yet, UConn doesn't even entertain the idea of a brand new on-campus stadium.

From personal experience as a student and having to go on a 30 min bus ride, it was awful. I didn't blame anyone for not wanting to tag along.

I thought you were the KU guy?

 

[Forte]

Yet, UConn doesn't even entertain the idea of a brand new on-campus stadium.

From personal experience as a student and having to go on a 30 min bus ride, it was awful. I didn't blame anyone for not wanting to tag along.

I can second that. The entire experience felt disconnected from the college atmosphere. The setup seemed geared more toward the general public than the student body, especially now that students are crammed into the far reaches of the red lot.


I'm not saying it wasn't exciting at times, but overall, it lacked the campus experience. Even in victory, the excitement never carried over to the campus community. Getting off the bus or parking back on campus always felt very anticlimactic.