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UConnDan97 said:
It would work and it would be good for everyone involved, which is why it probably won't happen. Regular basketball games between old Big East rivals (UConn, Nova, GTown, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville) would all be top notch draws, in addition to the obvious big matchups between the top Big East teams and UNC / Duke.

The football addition of UConn will obviously help us monetarily, but will also help teams like BC who's fan base is (not surprisingly) much smaller than the ACC predicted...
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We don’t need all of the Big East. Just the good programs.
 
ZooCougar said:
Not really. If the ACC invites UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Villanova and St. John’s they aren’t saying no LOL.
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If the ACC wants to cherry pick, I don't think they would grab Creighton over GTown. Historic rivalries, nation's capital, highly competitive academics, etc.

But if they cherry pick, then it's not a merger. So long as it includes us, I wouldn't care about the rest...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
It would work and it would be good for everyone involved, which is why it probably won't happen. Regular basketball games between old Big East rivals (UConn, Nova, GTown, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville) would all be top notch draws, in addition to the obvious big matchups between the top Big East teams and UNC / Duke.

The football addition of UConn will obviously help us monetarily, but will also help teams like BC who's fan base is (not surprisingly) much smaller than the ACC predicted...
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Basketball-onlys would never do it despite it making sense.
 
Both the ACC and Big East better start taking a serious look at basketball and where it's headed. Some type of merger would help both. Whether a merger or cherry pick, it is an entirely different conference than the SEC and B1G. UConn, Nova, Creighton, Marquett. Maybe throw in Army and Navy with St. John's and Georgetown. WVU or Cincy Temple. The rest of the Big East have markets, or ballast.

 
UConnDan97 said:
If the ACC wants to cherry pick, I don't think they would grab Creighton over GTown. Historic rivalries, nation's capital, highly competitive academics, etc.

But if they cherry pick, then it's not a merger. So long as it includes us, I wouldn't care about the rest...
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Maybe they would just take Georgetown. They would be absolute morons passing on Creighton.
 
ZooCougar said:
Not really. If the ACC invites UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Villanova and St. John’s they aren’t saying no LOL.
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There is no reason not to invite the whole league, since the league would definitely go to an unequal revenue share if this happened. Maybe require an NIL minimum to remain members.

The ACC needs markets to drive subscriptions. And by overlaying the heavily populated northeastern markets where the ACC's weakest programs are, it makes those markets an order of magnitude more valuable to the ACC then they ever would be alone.

These kind of mergers are low hanging fruit in I-Banking. The #4 and #5 player in a market merge to compete with 1 and 2, and put 3 into a corner. That is what most M&A is. A second-year associate at Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs could create a good merger deck on this idea in two days. The ACC would rather sue itself and argue over league documents that people may or may not have.
 
K specifically mentions UConn. "We could let, not let, but Connecticut would have the opportunity to play football in our league."

The Big East has leverage here. K knows that the ACC is struggling while UConn is red hot. The Big East has MSG. No question cuse, bcu, pitt, louisville would benefit. Duke wants to be in NYC. A merger would really lock out all the other P conferences from northeast and east coast basketball. I think they'd have to lock in UNC somehow because otherwise, the ACC side isn't bringing much else to the table.

 
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Kolumbo said:
K specifically mentions UConn. "We could let, not let, but Connecticut would have the opportunity to play football in our league."

The Big East has leverage here. K knows that the ACC is struggling while UConn is red hot. The Big East has MSG. No question cuse, bcu, pitt, louisville would benefit. Duke wants to be in NYC. A merger would really lock out all the other P conferences from northeast and east coast basketball. I think they'd have to lock in UNC somehow because otherwise, the ACC side isn't bringing much else to the table.

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Man, I’m starting to love Coach K. Never had that on my bingo card.
 
ZooCougar said:
Maybe they would just take Georgetown. They would be absolute morons passing on Creighton.
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Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
There is no reason not to invite the whole league, since the league would definitely go to an unequal revenue share if this happened. Maybe require an NIL minimum to remain members.

The ACC needs markets to drive subscriptions. And by overlaying the heavily populated northeastern markets where the ACC's weakest programs are, it makes those markets an order of magnitude more valuable to the ACC then they ever would be alone.

These kind of mergers are low hanging fruit in I-Banking. The #4 and #5 player in a market merge to compete with 1 and 2, and put 3 into a corner. That is what most M&A is. A second-year associate at Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs could create a good merger deck on this idea in two days. The ACC would rather sue itself and argue over league documents that people may or may not have.
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Nope. Even in an unequal setup there are plenty of reasons.

Sone of them are utterly dead weight. And scheduling and so on.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
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Seriously? They are regulars in the Top 25 and better than most of the ACC.

Georgetown may never be good or great again.
 
ZooCougar said:
Seriously? They are regulars in the Top 25 and better than most of the ACC.

Georgetown may never be good or great again.
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If you think Creighton is the addition that the ACC can't skip out on or they would be "absolute morons", then we can't talk about conference realignment together anymore...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
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Creighton averaged 17k fans last year, 6th nationally. I think this basketball-only merger stuff is a fantasy, but Creighton holds their own and then some. BE is lucky to have them and vice versa.
 
Rdkid said:
Creighton averaged 17k fans last year, 6th nationally. I think this basketball-only merger stuff is a fantasy, but Creighton holds their own and then some. BE is lucky to have them and vice versa.
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Settle down, fella. I never said I was unhappy that they were in the Big East. You'd have to explain how it makes sense for the ACC to pay them $17 million per year (the amount the ACC pays ND for Olympic sports). If you can't, then you'll finally understand the problem...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Settle down, fella. I never said I was unhappy that they were in the Big East. You'd have to explain how it makes sense for the ACC to pay them $17 million per year (the amount the ACC pays ND for Olympic sports). If you can't, then you'll finally understand the problem...
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Do you think ND gets $17M for its Olympic sports, or is there some additional amount thrown in for scheduling and other things.
If you breakdown ACC payouts, the Non football isn’t $17M for everybody. That is too high.

I’d think ACC nonfb is close to what BE gets.
 
Um, I said I think this talk of non-FB schools merging into the ACC is a fantasy. Besides us, teams to “cherry pick” that don’t need “feeding” at your stated price tag (it would never, ever be ND money) don’t exist. It definitely is not GTown. I guess we’re agreeing that all of this talk is nonsense, regardless of what Coach K suggests. K sees the writing on the wall when UNC is investing millions in football to assure its P2 golden ticket in a few years. Duke not paired with UNC is in trouble. Now Duke w/ UConn… nope, still not anywhere near the same.
 
uconnyankee said:
Do you think ND gets $17M for its Olympic sports, or is there some additional amount thrown in for scheduling and other things.
If you breakdown ACC payouts, the Non football isn’t $17M for everybody. That is too high.

I’d think ACC nonfb is close to what BE gets.
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If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways. So even if we call it 13 million per team, and staying with the fantasy of cherry-picking non-football teams, I don't think Creighton is in the top 4 or 5 of their Big East wish list...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Settle down, fella. I never said I was unhappy that they were in the Big East. You'd have to explain how it makes sense for the ACC to pay them $17 million per year (the amount the ACC pays ND for Olympic sports). If you can't, then you'll finally understand the problem...
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But it makes sense to pay Georgetown that sum?

Oooooook.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways.
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Although I think there would be a "prisoners dilemma" element here.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways. So even if we call it 13 million per team, and staying with the fantasy of cherry-picking non-football teams, I don't think Creighton is in the top 4 or 5 of their Big East wish list...
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If they gave us 7 mil a year and a place to play football then it wouid be a better deal than what SMU got. Of course we’d take it at this point.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways. So even if we call it 13 million per team, and staying with the fantasy of cherry-picking non-football teams, I don't think Creighton is in the top 4 or 5 of their Big East wish list...
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Anyone that could go should go but I just see it becoming Big East 3.0 after a couple other schools leave in a decade. It'll end up a six team football league, and then we'll need to grab MAC schools to backfill to FBS. The basketball only schools will hate it like they did before and it'll cause a bunch of issues.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
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Creighton has certainly pulled its weight. The team performance and the fan base have been impressive. A merger is what the ACC whiffed on last time. The ACC tried to piecemeal it and the Big East teams floundered. A merger brings in the whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. Omaha is midwest. Creighton is better basketball than Nebraska. Marquette is better than Wiscy. Xavier can be better than Ohio State. DePaul God help us could be good someday. If the merger would make it the best basketball conference, even better to do it in the B1G footprint and attack both the B1G and SEC head on. Northeast, Midwest, Atlantic Coast.
 
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