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UConnDan97 said:
Settle down, fella. I never said I was unhappy that they were in the Big East. You'd have to explain how it makes sense for the ACC to pay them $17 million per year (the amount the ACC pays ND for Olympic sports). If you can't, then you'll finally understand the problem...
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But it makes sense to pay Georgetown that sum?

Oooooook.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways.
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Although I think there would be a "prisoners dilemma" element here.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways. So even if we call it 13 million per team, and staying with the fantasy of cherry-picking non-football teams, I don't think Creighton is in the top 4 or 5 of their Big East wish list...
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If they gave us 7 mil a year and a place to play football then it wouid be a better deal than what SMU got. Of course we’d take it at this point.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If the offer wasn't at least noticeably better than the current 7 million per year from the Big East, then it wouldn't happen on our end anyways. So even if we call it 13 million per team, and staying with the fantasy of cherry-picking non-football teams, I don't think Creighton is in the top 4 or 5 of their Big East wish list...
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Anyone that could go should go but I just see it becoming Big East 3.0 after a couple other schools leave in a decade. It'll end up a six team football league, and then we'll need to grab MAC schools to backfill to FBS. The basketball only schools will hate it like they did before and it'll cause a bunch of issues.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
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Creighton has certainly pulled its weight. The team performance and the fan base have been impressive. A merger is what the ACC whiffed on last time. The ACC tried to piecemeal it and the Big East teams floundered. A merger brings in the whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. Omaha is midwest. Creighton is better basketball than Nebraska. Marquette is better than Wiscy. Xavier can be better than Ohio State. DePaul God help us could be good someday. If the merger would make it the best basketball conference, even better to do it in the B1G footprint and attack both the B1G and SEC head on. Northeast, Midwest, Atlantic Coast.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Why? They need to have the Nebraska market locked up?? Or they just need to have our 6th best team??

Either it's a full merger, or they are going to cherry pick the teams that don't require a large amount of feeding. You would REALLY need to show me that Creighton fits the latter...
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Well, when it comes to realignment - this is my fear because hey see RULE#1 regarding realignment. They invite St. Johns, Georgetown, Creighton, Marquette Villanova and UConn*. But they tell UConn don't even think we will give you anything regarding football. In fact if you even broach the subject we will tear your invite up! ...and they would look at us as if we would need a large amount of feeding with regards to Football, regardless of the season we have had in football. Again to reiterate this is not what I want nor what I believe but this is the ACC. Again with realignment see RULE #1.
 
JMick said:
Anyone that could go should go but I just see it becoming Big East 3.0 after a couple other schools leave in a decade. It'll end up a six team football league, and then we'll need to grab MAC schools to backfill to FBS. The basketball only schools will hate it like they did before and it'll cause a bunch of issues.
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Any port in a storm, my friend.
 
ZooCougar said:
If they gave us 7 mil a year and a place to play football then it wouid be a better deal than what SMU got. Of course we’d take it at this point.
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Hell, if that's our strategy I'd start with a phone call to the B1G and tell them we're willing to join for all sports at $7 million a year.
 
CL82 said:
Although I think there would be a "prisoners dilemma" element here.
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This is 100% of what is happened to the big east. Instead of sticking together, each independently is going to do what’s best for them.
 
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ACC/BIG EAST/GONZAGA

NON-FOOTBALL

NORTHSOUTH
Boston CollegeCal
ButlerClemson
CreightonDuke
DePaulFlorida State
LouisvilleGeorgetown
MarquetteGeorgia Tech
Notre DameGonzaga
PittsburghMiami
ProvidenceNC State
Seton HallSMU
St. John'sStanford
SyracuseUNC
UConnUVA
VillanovaVirginia Tech
XavierWake Forest

FOOTBALL

NORTHSOUTH
Boston CollegeClemson
CalDuke
LouisvilleFlorida State
PittsburghGeorgia Tech
StanfordMiami
SyracuseNC State
UConnSMU
UVAUNC
Virgina TechWake Forest
 
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ZooCougar said:
Nope. Even in an unequal setup there are plenty of reasons.

Sone of them are utterly dead weight. And scheduling and so on.
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I agree with you that there is a 99% chance the ACC and Big 12 conferences will move pawns around the chess board as they lose all their valuable pieces. I don't want to give the Big 10 or SEC credit for being smarter, they just happened to have larger fan bases at the right point in history when casual fans drove enormous value because of the linear cable model and ESPN.

College sports has stuck with the logic in your post for 25 years, and it is becoming a P2 on its way to a P1, and somewhere along the way will hit a doom loop tipping point where fans will stop caring and its ratings will mimic virtually every other minor league in the world.

If college sports ends with the kamikaze crash that I expect, the history of realignment will be studied in college strategy classes as another example in how the leadership at universities in the first decades of the 21st century had become completely detached from the basic rules and tactics of market competition.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If you think Creighton is the addition that the ACC can't skip out on or they would be "absolute morons", then we can't talk about conference realignment together anymore...
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I don’t think the idea of an ACC-NBE merger makes any sense. If, and I doubt it would happen, the ACC added NBE teams, it would cherry pick. If you have UConn along with BC you don’t have any need for Providence. If you have St John’s and Villanova why give money to Seton Hall. Maybe you want Marquette but not Butler or Creighton. None of it makes sense, but taking everyone makes the least sense of all.
 
freescooter said:
I don’t think the idea of an ACC-NBE merger makes any sense. If, and I doubt it would happen, the ACC added NBE teams, it would cherry pick. If you have UConn along with BC you don’t have any need for Providence. If you have St John’s and Villanova why give money to Seton Hall. Maybe you want Marquette but not Butler or Creighton. None of it makes sense, but taking everyone makes the least sense of all.
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You are right. The ACC is absolutely crushing it as is. Why make any changes?
 
freescooter said:
I don’t think the idea of an ACC-NBE merger makes any sense. If, and I doubt it would happen, the ACC added NBE teams, it would cherry pick. If you have UConn along with BC you don’t have any need for Providence. If you have St John’s and Villanova why give money to Seton Hall. Maybe you want Marquette but not Butler or Creighton. None of it makes sense, but taking everyone makes the least sense of all.
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It doesn’t make any sense for the Big East. Leaving a round robin conference of like-minded schools to merge with a 18-school conference that lost any semblance of reason a long time ago. God knows where the conference tournament would be yearly, or how many schools would be included. I would not want to see UConn in it, so I cannot imagine schools like Nova or Georgetown wanting any part of it.

It may not be ideal for UConn long term, but the other schools in the Big East are pretty happy with it.
 
End of the day...are you really in a conference with a team that you don't play annually/regularly?

A 30 team BB conference with 2 divisions would mean the annual conference schedule would be...
  • 7 home against division opponents
  • 7 road against division opponents
  • 3 home against non-division opponents
  • 3 road against non-division opponents
So ultimately...it would take 5 years to have a home and home against each non-division opponent. Also, there would be 3 non-division opponents that wouldn't be on schedule until year 3.

This of course assumes that there aren't designated 'rivalry' games between non-division opponents.

An 18 team FB conference with 2 divisions would mean zero non-division opponents.
  • 4 home against division opponents
  • 4 road against division opponents
 
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look, you aren't making a league this size work, stop thinking you can. it will exist in a perilous existence until something akin to atom fission occurs.
 
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