Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[UConnJim]

They play Indiana twice? Both times at Rutgers?

Sorry, they played Iowa and Indiana.

 

[Fishy]

I disagree re this part. If the P2 consolidate, it won't be by kicking out the lesser teams. I don't even know if their contracts/bylaws allow for kicking a school out. Temple was an odd situation. More likely, the top of the Big10 and SEC would break away and create their own super conference(s). So, the schools you are referencing are in no worse of a position than they were before. In a perfect world, they are the Kansas City Royals, feeding from the smaller trough of general profits while providing wins for the top teams that rake in additional revenue. I'd rather be the Royals than an independent minor league team. Worst case scenario, the top of the Big10 leaves and those teams are still in a strong non-P2 (P1?) conference that can poach others.

I do think that the ACC showed weakness by taking Stanford and Cal and certainly SMU. That looks like a money grab by a group that knows it's dead soon so it may as well grab as much cash is it can.

Power conferences kicking members out is the fever dream of fans of the schools left out.

In their scenarios, just enough teams get kicked out for us to reform something like the old Big East.

It’s not happening.

 

[uconnyankee]

Look at Rutgers home football schedule in 2022:

Wagner
Indiana
Nebraska
Indiana
Michigan
Penn St.

Don't you think UConn would sell out season tickets if that was the home schedule? And, don't you think there would be strong demand for tickets from many of those visiting schools?

I'm surprised that Rutgers doesn't blow away UConn's revenues given they play a Big 10 schedule in all sports.

Was talking more about Cincy, UCF, and Houston.

I think these are 2022 figures.

 

[Rufus]

Kicking teams out is complicated. It's more than sports. Look at the B1G ---- they have the B1G Academic Alliance in which each school integrates many of its services/offerings/research with the other member schools. Also, each B1G school has partial ownership of the BTN. It's not as simple as "Well ok, you are kicked out of the B1G, now go away." I don't see any school getting kicked out. Plus, someone has to eat those football/basketball losses for the top brands.

 

[AllHusky]

Power conferences kicking members out is the fever dream of fans of the schools left out.

In their scenarios, just enough teams get kicked out for us to reform something like the old Big East.

It’s not happening.

So:

Goal of Power Conferences is to shrink the pool to the Premier league

Is this where we are now:

1. Destroyed PAC and crippled AAC
2. ACC next, seems somewhat clear who the SEC, B1G will take
3. How many B12 schools would be targets of the Super Conference? Kansas+??
4. Will the Premier(B1G+SEC) rest on the 7th day and reorganize the day after, or are there more to add?
5. Will Fishys "Fever dream" of culling of the Premier League occur?(Rutgers, Vandy, Northwestern, etc???)
6. Do the remnants of the blood bath have enough appeal to financially organize and land on their feet, non-competitive($) with the Premier, but fairly sound fiscally??

 

[Storrs South]

It isn't football level money but this makes UConn potentially more valuable if they start having unit payouts like the Men's tournament

 

[Rufus]

It isn't football level money but this makes UConn potentially more valuable if they start having unit payouts like the Men's tournament

If the women's tournament starts paying out to conferences based on performance like the men's, I think most schools that can afford to do so will invest more money into women's basketball.

 

[KryHavok]

So:

Goal of Power Conferences is to shrink the pool to the Premier league

Is this where we are now:

1. Destroyed PAC and crippled AAC
2. ACC next, seems somewhat clear who the SEC, B1G will take
3. How many B12 schools would be targets of the Super Conference? Kansas+??
4. Will the Premier(B1G+SEC) rest on the 7th day and reorganize the day after, or are there more to add?
5. Will Fishys "Fever dream" of culling of the Premier League occur?(Rutgers, Vandy, Northwestern, etc???)
6. Do the remnants of the blood bath have enough appeal to financially organize and land on their feet, non-competitive($) with the Premier, but fairly sound fiscally??

As I read this, I heard the music and announcer's voice from the TV series "Soap".

 

[UConnJim]

It isn't football level money but this makes UConn potentially more valuable if they start having unit payouts like the Men's tournament

This is a bad deal for women's basketball. Basically, ESPN is paying less for the women's tournament media rights per year than what 1 member of the Big 10 or SEC are paid per year.

 

[noeynox]

This is a bad deal for women's basketball. Basically, ESPN is paying less for the women's tournament media rights per year than what 1 member of the Big 10 or SEC are paid per year.

Is anyone willing to pay more? I doubt it.

 

[How Sway?!]

Is anyone willing to pay more? I doubt it.

Yeah from the reports, the NCAA did not see a better offer in the open market. Let's also put it into context, it's more than the NWSL got for their whole season.

 

[AllHusky]

As I read this, I heard the music and announcer's voice from the TV series "Soap".

Agreed, I see the similarities:

"melodramatic plotlines including alien abduction, demonic possession, extramarital affairs, murder, kidnapping, unknown diseases, amnesia, cults, organized crime warfare, a communist revolution and teacher-student relationships. In 2007, it was listed as one of Time magazine's "100 Best TV Shows of All-TIME",[2] and in 2010, the Tates and the Campbells ranked at number 17 in TV Guide's list of "TV's Top Families".

Both fall into the category of "CAN'T MAKE THIS S__T UP!"

 

[Patman]

This is a bad deal for women's basketball. Basically, ESPN is paying less for the women's tournament media rights per year than what 1 member of the Big 10 or SEC are paid per year.

shhh... i can hear the equity from here

 

[Fishy]

This is a bad deal for women's basketball. Basically, ESPN is paying less for the women's tournament media rights per year than what 1 member of the Big 10 or SEC are paid per year.

You’re worth what someone will pay you.

 

[Exit 4]

You’re worth what someone will pay you.

Lets use an example, what is this website worth?

 

[Rappin'Rodney]

Lets use an example, what is this website worth?

Treasure beyond measure.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Power conferences kicking members out is the fever dream of fans of the schools left out.

In their scenarios, just enough teams get kicked out for us to reform something like the old Big East.

It’s not happening.

If it wasn't for the fact that two schools just got kicked out of the major conference club, this would be a fantastic prediction.

 

[uconnyankee]

Kicking teams out is complicated. It's more than sports. Look at the B1G ---- they have the B1G Academic Alliance in which each school integrates many of its services/offerings/research with the other member schools. Also, each B1G school has partial ownership of the BTN. It's not as simple as "Well ok, you are kicked out of the B1G, now go away." I don't see any school getting kicked out. Plus, someone has to eat those football/basketball losses for the top brands.

You’re right, schools aren’t getting kicked out. If you look at every situation, it’s been more of a selection process where schools are ‘left out’.
If and when there is a split, schools like Rutgers, Vanderbilt and Northwestern will be just like Cal and Stanford, waiting at the mailbox wondering where their invite is.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You’re right, schools aren’t getting kicked out. If you look at every situation, it’s been more of a selection process where schools are ‘left out’.
If and when there is a split, schools like Rutgers, Vanderbilt and Northwestern will be just like Cal and Stanford, waiting at the mailbox wondering where their invite is.

I believe there will be a massive game-fixing scandal at some point soon, where someone uses NIL to get players to fix a game or games. It may not even be illegal if done correctly, but it will be the final straw for the academic elites.

 

[Chin Diesel]

This is a bad deal for women's basketball. Basically, ESPN is paying less for the women's tournament media rights per year than what 1 member of the Big 10 or SEC are paid per year.

A bad deal is better than no deal. The Pac-12 found that out the hard way when they listened to some egg head anaylyst who thought the conference should get more money than ESPN was offering.

 

[huskymedic]

“Making the situation especially painful is the unique arrangement that SMU made with the ACC. Heavily motivated to be in the Power Five and backed by a plethora of mega-boosters, SMU agreed to accept no television revenue from the ACC in its first nine years in the conference. That said, school officials expected to receive non-television ACC payouts that total at least $10-12 million annually — roughly half of which, it thought, would come from the CFP.

Without the CFP, SMU’s first nine years in the ACC may generate annually roughly half of what it earned in distribution while in the American Athletic Conference (about $9 million).”

 

[huskymedic]

Assisted access if needed <<

 

[CL82]

A bad deal is better than no deal. The Pac-12 found that out the hard way when they listened to some egg head anaylyst who thought the conference should get more money than ESPN was offering.

The big east found out the same thing.

 

[CL82]

“Making the situation especially painful is the unique arrangement that SMU made with the ACC. Heavily motivated to be in the Power Five and backed by a plethora of mega-boosters, SMU agreed to accept no television revenue from the ACC in its first nine years in the conference. That said, school officials expected to receive non-television ACC payouts that total at least $10-12 million annually — roughly half of which, it thought, would come from the CFP.

Without the CFP, SMU’s first nine years in the ACC may generate annually roughly half of what it earned in distribution while in the American Athletic Conference (about $9 million).”

 

[CL82]

“Making the situation especially painful is the unique arrangement that SMU made with the ACC. Heavily motivated to be in the Power Five and backed by a plethora of mega-boosters, SMU agreed to accept no television revenue from the ACC in its first nine years in the conference. That said, school officials expected to receive non-television ACC payouts that total at least $10-12 million annually — roughly half of which, it thought, would come from the CFP.

Without the CFP, SMU’s first nine years in the ACC may generate annually roughly half of what it earned in distribution while in the American Athletic Conference (about $9 million).”

It would be a fascinating and ironic twist if SMU ends up being the deciding vote to break up the ACC based upon the fact that they make less money there than in the American.