Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Chin Diesel]

I can’t understand why they didn’t simply merge the two conferences by dissolving the MWC and then invite all of them to join the pac. There were 4 schools they didn’t want I guess. So make a deal with those. I dunno it seems like this should’ve been easier.

Everyone in the Pac-12 found a new home except OSU and Wazzou. Goes to show how expensive it is to keep the bottom dwellers of a conference and how little value those bottom dwellers have when a conference is dissected piece by piece.

 

[WrenchFan69]

So, if they bring in Gonzaga as a full, as full as can be anyway, and bring in UConn as a football only, would that constitute a full member for the PAC.

It seems like no based on how the NCAA rule is written and how it's being reported. I would think the PAC now goes after Texas St as a full member

 

[JMick]

I'd have to imagine this is good for us. It leaves them more desperate for a "brand" and they probably only want to add one more full member if they can get Gonzaga for basketball and us for football.

 

[shizzle787]

I'd have to imagine this is good for us. It leaves them more desperate for a "brand" and they probably only want to add one more full member if they can get Gonzaga for basketball and us for football.

They have to add one more full sports member first. Let's hope that Texas State says no, and UTEP says yes. IMO, that is best case scenario.

 

[Chonky]

I'd have to imagine this is good for us. It leaves them more desperate for a "brand" and they probably only want to add one more full member if they can get Gonzaga for basketball and us for football.

“Want” to only add one more member or “can’t”?

PAC needs one more full member and MWC needs two. Where are all these programs gonna come from? Western block of Sun Belt I guess? Are they gonna wanna leave to join the giant cluster that these two leagues have created?

Move up a bunch of FCS schools?

What a mess.

 

[shizzle787]

“Want” to only add one more member or “can’t”?

PAC needs one more full member and MWC needs two. Where are all these programs gonna come from? Western block of Sun Belt I guess? Are they gonna wanna leave to join the giant cluster that these two leagues have created?

Move up a bunch of FCS schools?

What a mess.

The Pac-12 will not add an FCS program. They will target Texas State and then likely UTEP.

 

[Chonky]

The Pac-12 will not add an FCS program. They will target Texas State and then likely UTEP.

My point was there are 3 vacancies between the two conferences. There are only so many bodies to go around. Unless the Sun Belt gets blown up (hey….could happen) and/or FCS gets involved I don’t think either conference will be able to get much past 8-10. Which would be good for us.

UTEP or Texas St…..I’d prefer Texas St if we end up in PAC as well. Much easier to fly into than El Paso. May as well expand into Chihuahua, Mexico at that point.

 

[WrenchFan69]

They have to add one more full sports member first. Let's hope that Texas State says no, and UTEP says yes. IMO, that is best case scenario.

Why do you hope UTEP > Texas St? Texas St has way more upside imo

 

[JMick]

“Want” to only add one more member or “can’t”?

PAC needs one more full member and MWC needs two. Where are all these programs gonna come from? Western block of Sun Belt I guess? Are they gonna wanna leave to join the giant cluster that these two leagues have created?

Move up a bunch of FCS schools?

What a mess.

Sun belt is definitely getting raided. If the new PAC performs well then we will probably see more MWC schools defect in a few years, depending on what their agreement looks like.

 

[shizzle787]

Why do you hope UTEP > Texas St? Texas St has way more upside imo

UTEP has a bigger brand historically and they have a fanbase. They regularly get over 40,000 to games at the Sun Bowl. Also, if we have to do a scheduling agreement for basketball, UTEP is much preferred over Texas State.

 

[shizzle787]

My point was there are 3 vacancies between the two conferences. There are only so many bodies to go around. Unless the Sun Belt gets blown up (hey….could happen) and/or FCS gets involved I don’t think either conference will be able to get much past 8-10. Which would be good for us.

UTEP or Texas St…..I’d prefer Texas St if we end up in PAC as well. Much easier to fly into than El Paso. May as well expand into Chihuahua, Mexico at that point.

Sure. I don’t see either going much past 10. 8 is too small though, especially for basketball.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am sure there is no interest in adding another AQ, but given the P4's track record in court, they may want to cool their jets on leaks about not distributing any more money.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Can't tell just how "key" this guy is, but it would really be something if the AAC took Texas St before the PAC or MWC could grab them.

 

[CL82]

UTEP or Texas St…..I’d prefer Texas St if we end up in PAC as well. Much easier to fly into than El Paso. May as well expand into Chihuahua, Mexico at that point

For what it's worth, the big 12 had a plan to expand into Mexico...

 

[UConnJim]

UTEP has a bigger brand historically and they have a fanbase. They regularly get over 40,000 to games at the Sun Bowl. Also, if we have to do a scheduling agreement for basketball, UTEP is much preferred over Texas State.

They averaged 18.2k fans last year and they have had one game with 40k or more fans in the past decade.

 

[Drew]

They averaged 18.2k fans last year and they have had one game with 40k or more fans in the past decade.

Shhhhh don’t let facts get in the way. Shizzle is cooking

 

[shizzle787]

Shhhhh don’t let facts get in the way. Shizzle is cooking

They averaged 18.2k fans last year and they have had one game with 40k or more fans in the past decade.

They literally had 41,000 two weeks ago against FCS Southern Utah... and over 40,000 for North Texas only two years ago.

 

[upstater]

They literally had 41,000 two weeks ago against FCS Southern Utah... and over 40,000 for North Texas only two years ago.

I would also add they are part of U. Texas, so that's not nothing.

 

[UConnDan97]

I would also add they are part of U. Texas, so that's not nothing.

And UTEP will bring the El Paso metro area which is about 700,000 people. San Marcos is smaller, and although they're likely considered part of the Austin metro, I'm guessing folks in Austin only care about a team with two horns on the helmet...

 

[Kembafan]

Everyone in the Pac-12 found a new home except OSU and Wazzou. Goes to show how expensive it is to keep the bottom dwellers of a conference and how little value those bottom dwellers have when a conference is dissected piece by piece.

Yeah and I guess that goes to the whole idea behind realignment. These “legacy” conferences were made when college sports wasn’t entirely about money.

 

[UConnJim]

They literally had 41,000 two weeks ago against FCS Southern Utah... and over 40,000 for North Texas only two years ago.

So, 2 games in 10 years and an average of 18.2k fans last year. That is not "regularly" get over 40k fans.

 

[ZooCougar]

There is always a New Mexico State or UT-Amarillo available

 

[ZooCougar]

UTEP has a bigger brand historically and they have a fanbase. They regularly get over 40,000 to games at the Sun Bowl. Also, if we have to do a scheduling agreement for basketball, UTEP is much preferred over Texas State.

UTEP has nothing. NOTHING.

Those attendance figures are just tickets distributed.

 

[Urcea]

“Want” to only add one more member or “can’t”?

PAC needs one more full member and MWC needs two. Where are all these programs gonna come from? Western block of Sun Belt I guess? Are they gonna wanna leave to join the giant cluster that these two leagues have created?

Move up a bunch of FCS schools?

What a mess.

Three slots; there's three CUSA/Sun Belt teams (Texas State, UTEP, NMSU). I would imagine some combination of the above will go. Doesn't necessarily preclude a UConn move

 

[WrenchFan69]

I may be changing my mind here on who I want in the PAC with us. Texas St has a bunch of positives, but I just really like UTEP. I wonder if separating them from NM State could be a problem? Maybe PAC gets UTEP, Texas St stays in the Sun Belt, Sac St moves up to join the MWC with NM St?

 

[UConn Dan]

Locking in my prediction:

Texas State > PAC
UTEP and NMSU > MW
UConn football only > PAC
Gonzaga basketball et al > PAC

UConn annual basketball game with Gonzaga plus one additional PAC game.

No or limited exit fee for us.

Done by Friday night.

 

[Tdaley]

Locking in my prediction:

Texas State > PAC
UTEP and NMSU > MW
UConn football only > PAC
Gonzaga basketball et al > PAC

UConn annual basketball game with Gonzaga plus one additional PAC game.

No or limited exit fee for us.

Done by Friday night.

I wouldn’t hate this!

 

[WrenchFan69]

Locking in my prediction:

Texas State > PAC
UTEP and NMSU > MW
UConn football only > PAC
Gonzaga basketball et al > PAC

UConn annual basketball game with Gonzaga plus one additional PAC game.

No or limited exit fee for us.

Done by Friday night.

I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat

 

[Kembafan]

“Want” to only add one more member or “can’t”?

PAC needs one more full member and MWC needs two. Where are all these programs gonna come from? Western block of Sun Belt I guess? Are they gonna wanna leave to join the giant cluster that these two leagues have created?

Move up a bunch of FCS schools?

What a mess.

Mess is right. Now there’s two unstable conferences out west. Ridiculous. All of this is being determined by the timing of contracts and exit fees, which is wild to think about. It’s even conceivable that the pac12 would’ve gotten a much better media deal if their media contract expired after this year instead of last, and nobody would’ve defected.

 

[Chonky]

Locking in my prediction:

Texas State > PAC
UTEP and NMSU > MW
UConn football only > PAC
Gonzaga basketball et al > PAC

UConn annual basketball game with Gonzaga plus one additional PAC game.

No or limited exit fee for us.

Done by Friday night.

No one wants 8. No stability.

Texas St and UTEP to PAC
NMSU and a Dakota FCS to MWC

—Pause—

PAC wants Gonzaga as a 10th all sport member. With us to complement as a FB tenth. Gonzaga balks cuz this PAC ain’t what they envisioned. This drags out awhile.

MWC sits awhile cuz they have no choice. It’s really not an attractive conference anymore for an upgrade for, say, NIU.

Eventually they both get to 10 somehow. 50/50 it involves us and Gonzaga.