Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[UConnJim]

Keep on mind the Big 12's basketball will move to Fox in 2025 eliminating the vast majority of ESPN+ streaming of it. Fox does not have primary streaming.

ESPN and FOX are splitting Big 12 basketball (number of games has not been disclosed) with ESPN carrying the basketball championship game. FOX will need some content to replace the Pac 12 content (21 on FS1 and 4 on FOX this year), so that is where the 4 corner schools will help. Think of ESPN+ as the "Big 12 Conference Network" similar to BTN, ACCN, and SECN and ESPN+ is one of ESPN's growth drivers. Remember, the vast majority of P4 college basketball games are being shown on the conference networks not on the main networks. I think you will find more Big 12 basketball games on FOX/FS1, but you will still see most games on ESPN+.

 

[billybud]

Syracuse has been a notable under performer in the ACC. It has been protected by its loyal hacks at ESPN. It continue to bring nothing to the ACC. Eventually that hard fact will lead to its demise...

I wouldn't be surprised to see them fire Baber (well, actually I don't think that they care)...I've watched his team give up.

Last night VT beat them by 28 points, UNC beat them by 33, FSU beat them by 38

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The Big East and SEC remain more regional in nature...

And that, too me, has not been appreciated enough.

I predict the Big East ( possibly only the eastern teams) will merge with the ACC remnants .
in what still will be a regional conference . Possibly adding Navy , Army , UCF , USF . Possible WVA , and Cinncy who would much prefer to be regional .
FAU even has a shot if Miami

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

CBSN isn’t bad if you watch the games on mute.

I hate watching games on cbssports. The broadcasters are always seemingly lifelong fans and experts on our opponents and our guys are after thoughts. Even for our home games. They dedicated like 30 minutes to some lady who had been to every USF game. Who GAF?

 

[Hogoff]

I hate watching games on cbssports. The broadcasters are always seemingly lifelong fans and experts on our opponents and our guys are after thoughts. Even for our home games. They dedicated like 30 minutes to some lady who had been to every USF game. Who GAF?

The CCSU announcers were better in the game last night.

 

[JMick]

I predict the Big East ( possibly only the eastern teams) will merge with the ACC remnants .
in what still will be a regional conference . Possibly adding Navy , Army , UCF , USF . Possible WVA , and Cinncy who would much prefer to be regional .
FAU even has a shot if Miami

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

 

[Luna]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

This is a interesting take…I think it makes sense but probably would never happen..

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

The other moron Big East schools would rather add Farleigh Dickinson and loyal Chicago before Duke and Cuse

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

Your assuming there will be a choice
Survival is the operative word

 

[Stinger92860]

And your evidence for this is?

All the pro leagues have 30+ teams and seem to do just fine.

The pro teams play one sport. They are aligned by divisions and leagues with room for limited inter divisional play. With a limited number of games, like Football, it’s doable. The NFL also plays 3/4 days a week, which I do not believe the B1G prefers. In the end it’s all about the money, so it does not matter. The B1G would go to 32 teams for more money per team. I am a firm believer that the top FB schools will eventually leave their conferences to create a new football only conference which will take in almost NFL type money.

 

[Storrs South]

From SBJ:

 

[shizzle787]

From SBJ:

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Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

1mm and 40/60 streaming. Fox is paying 4 new Big10 schools. That money is gone.

 

[Luna]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

$7 million is about the minimum.. hopefully more

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

$7 million is about the minimum.. hopefully more

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

Roughly $4M per team.

No shot of $7M per team - best case the money and linear exposure stay the same.

 

[ZooCougar]

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

It’s not. It’s fantasy land stuff.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

People need to realize this is the Big East tv deal not UConn tv deal. It’s as much about what UConn is worth as it’s about what DePaul and Butler are worth.

Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Stanford etc were going to get 20 million for streaming basketball AND football . If you think Butler basketball is going to get 7 million and be on Fox or FS1 every game you are a damn fool.

 

[BigTenFan]

The new business model has schools like SMU forgoing any revenue to get into conference. Even if UConn is able to get into a conference - there won't be much money available.Mens and Women's Basketball will probably be fine.
Football and Olympic sports will struggle to find funding.

 

[UConnJim]

People need to realize this is the Big East tv deal not UConn tv deal. It’s as much about what UConn is worth as it’s about what DePaul and Butler are worth.

Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Stanford etc were going to get 20 million for streaming basketball AND football . If you think Butler basketball is going to get 7 million and be on Fox or FS1 every game you are a damn fool.

I have gone through the math before, so I will give an abbreviated explanation. The SEC, ACC, and Big 10 put the vast majority of their basketball games on their conference networks. The Pac 12 does as well. When people compare other conference TV contracts and ratings with the Big East TV contract and ratings, they miss a key point. All of the Big East games are shown on a linear channel (vast majority on FOX/FS1) and a minority of the SEC, ACC, and Big 10 basketball games are. So, schools like Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Kentucky, Alabama, Duke, North Carolina (higher ratings) will be shown more on the main networks and the lower visibility schools (lower ratings) will get more of their games on the conference network. So the Big East is offering FOX probably triple the inventory that other conferences would. That is valuable. Will the new BE contract be $7 million per school? I don't know, but if 20% of a P5 media deal is for basketball with much less inventory is worth $6 to $14 million, I don't think $7 million is a crazy number for more inventory.

The Big 12, so far, has the majority of their basketball inventory shown on ESPN+ as ESPN needs paying subscribers for ESPN+ which is their growth engine and ESPN does not have the capacity to show all of the Big 12 games. Going forward, it's unclear how many B12 basketball games will be shown on linear channels as the contract will be split by ESPN and FOX, but ESPN will show the Big 12 conference championship.

 

[NE Football]

As a National brand we need to demand a larger portion of the next TV contract. No way schools like PC, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette, etc. should get anywhere near the TV payout UConn deserves. We drive the TV ratings in the Big East!

 

[John]

As a National brand we need to demand a larger portion of the next TV contract. No way schools like PC, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette, etc. should get anywhere near the TV payout UConn deserves. We drive the TV ratings in the Big East!

Marquette?

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The new business model has schools like SMU forgoing any revenue to get into conference. Even if UConn is able to get into a conference - there won't be much money available.Mens and Women's Basketball will probably be fine.
Football and Olympic sports will struggle to find funding.

SMU is getting home games with ACC teams that could be a boost in season tickets and prices.
They were getting about $6,000,000 from the AAC so that number is not astronomical.
If they get a share of Playoff money they're ahead of the game.
Yes they have to make an investment to be competitive but they have deep pocket investors willing to pony up.
as for the big east my prediction for the new media deal was a cut from the the $4,000,000 until UConn was added ,now it will be no more than an inflation adjustment of <$5,000,000
The real value to BB is the tournament
Media deals are nice but only the Big East has one that pays anything but Basketball Conferences will need a bigger. share of their tourney to survive.

 

[ZooCougar]

With SMU’s boosters, money almost doesn’t matter, They want to be as close as possible to the top level and are willing to pay to get there.

 

[UConnJim]

SMU is getting home games with ACC teams that could be a boost in season tickets and prices.

Here's who SMU plays most over the next 7 years:

Cal 7x
Stanford 7x
BC 4x
Syracuse 4x
GT 4x
Louisville 4x

Sure, they will have some home games with Clemson and FSU, but I don't think the ACC schedule will move the needle that much over the LT. Look at the last 2 years. SMU has had >30k fans for 1 game, against a local school TCU. In 2022, they had 26.5k for Lamar, 35.6k for TCU, 24.8k for Navy, 23.6k for Cincy, 23.8k for Houston, and 15.8k for Memphis. And, those numbers are inflated. You would have thought with that home schedule that they would have sold more season tickets coming off an 8-4 season....nope. If SMU was going to the Big 12 and playing Houston/TCU/Baylor/Texas Tech/Oklahoma St., that would have helped attendance.

SMU does not have a large fan base at all and they are an afterthought in Dallas/Texas even during the Pony Express time period. What they do have is wealthy alumni.