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In all candor I'm wondering if you are.Florida State? Are you serious?
In all candor I'm wondering if you are.Florida State? Are you serious?
Also they be losing their college football playoff money as an independent so that's another $15 million to have to make up.No. That would be less than they get now. They also share in football playoff money. Even without that they get more than $35M in the ACC ($41.3m last year).
Some people view the ACC through distorted lenses. It's easily the #3 conference, ahead of the Big XII. It's only "unstable" because a few schools think they are worthy of B1G or SEC money (none of the Big XII schools are in that situation). Most of the ACC schools that think that are delusional, just like the Pac schools were.
FSU might attract SEC attention but the B1G wouldn't touch them. Same with Clemson. UNC, playing football as it is now, is probably the main prize. B1G might consider UVA to lock up DC. Maybe.
“My big-picture thought is that Notre Dame will need a conference to support a three-time bump long term. I think either the Big Ten or SEC would do. Also, don’t rule out a third new conference in several years. A lot of assumptions are falling apart as pay-TV-bundle economics go flat.”
You are partially correct. It's hard to tell right now if the Big 12 or ACC are better than the other given the recent adds to both conferences which I think are dilutive to both conferences. What is true is if the SEC takes Clemson and FSU, ACC football is dead. Given the uncertainty of the future ACC composition, I think some schools like VT, Pitt, and Louisville would consider a B12 invite right now if they could.Some people view the ACC through distorted lenses. It's easily the #3 conference, ahead of the Big XII. It's only "unstable" because a few schools think they are worthy of B1G or SEC money (none of the Big XII schools are in that situation). Most of the ACC schools that think that are delusional, just like the Pac schools were.
FSU might attract SEC attention but the B1G wouldn't touch them. Same with Clemson. UNC, playing football as it is now, is probably the main prize. B1G might consider UVA to lock up DC. Maybe.
I don't see it. FSU, Clemson and UNC are better than any program in the Big XII. You can argue Miami is as well. Year to year it varies of course, but right now the top two teams in the future incarnation of the Big XII are Utah and Kansas.You are partially correct. It's hard to tell right now if the Big 12 or ACC are better than the other given the recent adds to both conferences which I think are dilutive to both conferences. What is true is if the SEC takes Clemson and FSU, ACC football is dead. Given the uncertainty of the future ACC composition, I think some schools like VT, Pitt, and Louisville would consider a B12 invite right now if they could.
I don't see it. FSU, Clemson and UNC are better than any program in the Big XII. You can argue Miami is as well. Year to year it varies of course, but right now the top two teams in the future incarnation of the Big XII are Utah and Kansas.
It's not just the new adds that dilute the Big XII, the prior additions do as well. Cinci was added coming off a CFB playoff and is dead last, winless in conference. Houston 1-4 (K State just beat them 41-0), UCF winless. BYU is the only competitive one. It's a worse football conference than the ACC even if they lose FSU and Clemson (and they won't anytime soon).
Big XII is in great shape for basketball but is going to be pretty dreadful for football.
I don't see it. FSU, Clemson and UNC are better than any program in the Big XII. You can argue Miami is as well.
Houston is really good at being in Houston. They are the UHart of Texas
I am not a Rutgers fan, quite the opposite, but they have prospered compared to where they were before B1G money came along. I have said before that of all undeserving athetic programs they hit the jackpot.. and their olympic sports and football have improved. The are middle of the B1G in football now, not ready for OSU or Michigan, but competetive with others, nearly won the B1G in basketball last year, and not so bad in other olympic sports now. All of the above schools have a life raft to guarantee their future, even those that may be in a new ACC after 2036 and that is the most important thing.What teams really prospered after changing conferences ? A minority, I think.
Rutgers...nope
Maryland...last year was the first year that they won 8 games in the the B1G Did not have above a .500 regular season in 7 of 9 seasons in B1G.
WVU...decent but not like the 4X champs they were in the BE.
Miami...hasn't sniffed an ACC Championship in 20 years.
Cuse and BC...nada
Texas A&M...better than in Big 12...but still not an SEC CCG contender
Nebraska...not the Huskers of the Big 12
Colorado....the Pac wasn't their panacea
Penn State....punching their weight...success story, I guess.
What teams really prospered after changing conferences ?
Florida State? Are you serious?
Since 2005, I think the future Big 12 teams have been somewhat comparable to the ACC, although Clemson has won 2 championships and nobody in the Big 12 has. Miami and UNC have not had a top 10 finish.I don't see it. FSU, Clemson and UNC are better than any program in the Big XII. You can argue Miami is as well. Year to year it varies of course, but right now the top two teams in the future incarnation of the Big XII are Utah and Kansas.
It's not just the new adds that dilute the Big XII, the prior additions do as well. Cinci was added coming off a CFB playoff and is dead last, winless in conference. Houston 1-4 (K State just beat them 41-0), UCF winless. BYU is the only competitive one. It's a worse football conference than the ACC even if they lose FSU and Clemson (and they won't anytime soon).
Big XII is in great shape for basketball but is going to be pretty dreadful for football.
Top 10 is not the relevant measure. Look at Bowl games, Top 25 and TV ratings. Arizona and Miami are not equivalent for TV purposes. Nor are North Carolina and Arizona State. This measure underrates BYU, which is valuable.Since 2005, I think the future Big 12 teams have been somewhat comparable to the ACC, although Clemson has won 2 championships and nobody in the Big 12 has. Miami and UNC have not had a top 10 finish.
Top 10 final rankings since 2005:
Big 12:
TCU: 8
Cincinnati: 3
Oklahoma St.: 3
West Virginia: 3
Baylor: 2
UCF: 2
Utah: 2
Houston: 1
Iowa St.: 1
Kansas: 1
Arizona: 0
Arizona St.: 0
BYU: 0
Colorado: 0
Texas Tech: 0
Total = 26
ACC:
Clemson: 8
FSU: 5
Stanford: 5
Virginia Tech: 3
BC: 1
Georgia Tech: 1
Louisville: 1
Pitt: 1
Cal: 0
Duke: 0
Miami: 0
North Carolina: 0
NC State: 0
SMU: 0
Syracuse: 0
Virginia: 0
Wake Forest: 0
Total = 25
If Clemson or FSU leave the ACC down the road, the Big 12 is the clear better football conference.
How can Miami and UNC be better programs when they haven’t had a recent top 10 finish? Attendance is about a wash. As for TV ratings, the Big 12’s championship game last year with Kansas St./TCU had almost triple the TV ratings if the ACC Championship game of Clemson/UNC. The Big 12 game was noon Saturday with no competition and the ACC game was Saturday night and went up against Big 10.Top 10 is not the relevant measure. Look at Bowl games, Top 25 and TV ratings. Arizona and Miami are not equivalent for TV purposes. Nor are North Carolina and Arizona State. This measure underrates BYU, which is valuable.
Top 10 is an arbitrary and irrelevant metric. Nobody cares about that. The time of those games tells the story, one is worthy of prime time, the other was not. TCU also drew ratings because a win put them in the playoff, and some fans were rooting against that. I like the Big XII, I grew up a Big 8 fan, but without OU and UT it is pretty weak.How can Miami and UNC be better programs when they haven’t had a recent top 10 finish? Attendance is about a wash. As for TV ratings, the Big 12’s championship game last year with Kansas St./TCU had almost triple the TV ratings if the ACC Championship game of Clemson/UNC. The Big 12 game was noon Saturday with no competition and the ACC game was Saturday night and went up against Big 10.
Sagarin ratings adjusted for new additions and subtractions for the ACC and Big 12:Top 10 is an arbitrary and irrelevant metric. Nobody cares about that. The time of those games tells the story, one is worthy of prime time, the other was not. TCU also drew ratings because a win put them in the playoff, and some fans were rooting against that. I like the Big XII, I grew up a Big 8 fan, but without OU and UT it is pretty weak.
Judge's ruling could lead to billions in damages as 'worst-case scenario' rears head for NCAA
The NCAA continues to take hits on multiple legal frontswww.cbssports.com
The NCAA is on life support. The day when schools start paying players is quickly approaching
This. The college sports we used to know is no longer, it is now basically a pro sports lite now. It is just a matter of time top teams will have the biggest payroll. NIL is just another form of compensation like payroll. It sucks for schools like UConn with our lack of revenue, but that's the new reality.When a coach says he “needs more NIL” what he is basically saying is that he needs a bigger payroll.
And it’s only going to get worse.This. The college sports we used to know is no longer, it is now basically a pro sports lite now. It is just a matter of time top teams will have the biggest payroll. NIL is just another form of compensation like payroll. It sucks for schools like UConn with our lack of revenue, but that's the new reality.
Yes- that is absolutely true but Uconn won't be in B1G 10 anytime soon. I think Uconn's best shot at getting out of football purgatory is finding a way into ACC.
There is no money being an independent and highly recruited HS players want to be on National TV on Saturday -