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[ZooCougar]

Michigan is one of the biggest brands in cfb. Them and OSU carries the conference. Not the other way around.

The money is going to follow them wherever they go.

Nobody is going pay the ACC $100M per school just because Michigan goes there.

Think about what you are saying.

 

[ZooCougar]

Could very well be possible.

The talk is either the current Big Ten commish is gone when the time comes to renegotiate and an uneven revenue share happens or they look towards the ACC/go independent/start super conference

It’s possible.

But highly improbable.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Oregon state and Washington state just won the court case. Let’s get on the phone and beg to join for football.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Oregon state and Washington state just won the court case. Let’s get on the phone and beg to join for football.

let see what happens

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Nobody is going pay the ACC $100M per school just because Michigan goes there.

Think about what you are saying.

This isn’t my opinion on it. This is information from those in the know at Michigan. They are not happy about this Harbaugh situation and feel like they’re being treated unfairly. You don’t treat the cash cow of your conference unfairly.

Any deal Michigan makes if they leave will be about an uneven revenue distribution most likely. After how schools like Purdue and Rutgers threw them under the bus they’re probably done playing nice.

 

[UConnJim]

This isn’t my opinion on it. This is information from those in the know at Michigan. They are not happy about this Harbaugh situation and feel like they’re being treated unfairly. You don’t treat the cash cow of your conference unfairly.

Any deal Michigan makes if they leave will be about an uneven revenue distribution most likely. After how schools like Purdue and Rutgers threw them under the bus they’re probably done playing nice.

Michigan was not a top school in recent years until the last 2 years. Michigan needs the Big 10, a conference that is about to get a lot better with the additions of Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA. There is absolutely no way they go to the ACC no matter what. Michigan is pissed and they will get over it..

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

This isn’t my opinion on it. This is information from those in the know at Michigan. They are not happy about this Harbaugh situation and feel like they’re being treated unfairly. You don’t treat the cash cow of your conference unfairly.

Any deal Michigan makes if they leave will be about an uneven revenue distribution most likely. After how schools like Purdue and Rutgers threw them under the bus they’re probably done playing nice.

Who's in the know at Michigan?

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Michigan was not a top school in recent years until the last 2 years. Michigan needs the Big 10, a conference that is about to get a lot better with the additions of Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA. There is absolutely no way they go to the ACC no matter what. Michigan is pissed and they will get over it..

The Michigan brand is the Michigan brand. They have the most wins in all of cfb, the #1 public school in the country, and a huge alumni base. They were the first cfb school to be sponsored by Jordan brand because of their value. Big House is the biggest stadium in cfb still. Blue blood program.

They can 100% go the ND route and be just fine if they wanted too. The Big Ten needs them a lot more than vice versa. Especially in this conference realignment wars.

Michigan to the ACC actually stabilizes that conference in these realignment wars. Before these PAC-12 additions it’s really just a UM OSU battle every year. In the ACC FSU and Clemson are legit and the rest of the programs is a wash if not better than the Big Ten.

Who's in the know at Michigan?

Their insiders. They have like 3 message boards with paid dedicated insiders that are all reporting the same thing.

 

[UConnJim]

The Michigan brand is the Michigan brand. They have the most wins in all of cfb, the #1 public school in the country, and a huge alumni base. They were the first cfb school to be sponsored by Jordan brand because of their value. Big House is the biggest stadium in cfb still. Blue blood program.

They can 100% go the ND route and be just fine if they wanted too. The Big Ten needs them a lot more than vice versa. Especially in this conference realignment wars.

Michigan to the ACC actually stabilizes that conference in these realignment wars. Before these PAC-12 additions it’s really just a UM OSU battle every year. In the ACC FSU and Clemson are legit and the rest of the programs is a wash if not better than the Big Ten.


Their insiders. They have like 3 message boards with paid dedicated insiders that are all reporting the same thing.

Are you kidding me? I'm sure the networks and Michigan fans would love the ACC schedule vs. the Big 10 schedule. Do they schedule Ohio St. and Michigan St. out of conference? From 2004 to 2020 Michigan has 1 top 10 finish in the final AP poll, #10 in 2016. Michigan leaving the Big 10 is nonsense.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Are you kidding me? I'm sure the networks and Michigan fans would love the ACC schedule vs. the Big 10 schedule. Do they schedule Ohio St. and Michigan St. out of conference? From 2004 to 2020 Michigan has 1 top 10 finish in the final AP poll, #10 in 2016. Michigan leaving the Big 10 is nonsense.

Well Notre Dame is there other big time rival. It opens the door for that to be an every year one again.

Their record from that time is completely irrelevant to this. They’re a blue blood who may go to their 3rd straight CFP this year. Nobody cares what happened before 2020.

Like I said their insiders say it’s something they’re going to look into. But it’s more of a down the road thing unless this sign gate thing gives them the room to renegotiate/leave the conference earlier. I don’t think the general public understands just how disrespectful the Big Ten conference has been throughout this situation.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I think there's 1% chance Michigan leaves the B1G. It's ridiculous that they are digging their heels in - they could admit guilt, fire the underling, and it would blow over pretty quickly with the public and without much penalty blowback until the NCAA acted on it which could be a year or more. But, no - they get all prickly with everyone. The conference is not some third party entity - it is made up of their actual peers and partners. Fight the NCAA but don't fight your own conference; especially after their recent other scandals... Total emotional arrogance by UM.

 

[ZooCougar]

This isn’t my opinion on it. This is information from those in the know at Michigan. They are not happy about this Harbaugh situation and feel like they’re being treated unfairly. You don’t treat the cash cow of your conference unfairly.

Any deal Michigan makes if they leave will be about an uneven revenue distribution most likely. After how schools like Purdue and Rutgers threw them under the bus they’re probably done playing nice.

They will sulk but do nothing.

 

[ZooCougar]

Carver Scallions is the Michigan insider.

 

[NE Football]

Michigan going to the ACC is as probable as us getting a P4 invite! A snowball chance in hell!

We need to pursue football membership in whichever G5 conference will accept us.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

I think there's 1% chance Michigan leaves the B1G. It's ridiculous that they are digging their heels in - they could admit guilt, fire the underling, and it would blow over pretty quickly with the public and without much penalty blowback until the NCAA acted on it which could be a year or more. But, no - they get all prickly with everyone. The conference is not some third party entity - it is made up of their actual peers and partners. Fight the NCAA but don't fight your own conference; especially after their recent other scandals... Total emotional arrogance by UM.

The guy has already resigned. They just suspended Harbaugh and didn’t let him know until he was on the plane to the PSU game when they had all week to announce.

All this before an investigation has even been finished and there’s no evidence that he was aware of this happening. The commissioner pretty much is doing the whims of other conference members crying over the situation and trying to drop the hammer before due process was done. Something like this wouldn’t even be possible in the SEC over signs. The commissioner would tell all those cheating dips to stop being female dogs.

Michigan is going to court and there’s a very real chance they may reveal a lot of the skeletons in everyone else’s closest since the conference is going over the moon over something so minor. And the relationship is not repairable, with this current commissioner at least.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The guy has already resigned. They just suspended Harbaugh and didn’t let him know until he was on the plane to the PSU game when they had all week to announce.

All this before an investigation has even been finished and there’s no evidence that he was aware of this happening. The commissioner pretty much is doing the whims of other conference members crying over the situation and trying to drop the hammer before due process was done. Something like this wouldn’t even be possible in the SEC over signs. The commissioner would tell all those cheating dips to stop being female dogs.

Michigan is going to court and there’s a very real chance they may reveal a lot of the skeletons in everyone else’s closest since the conference is going over the moon over something so minor. And the relationship is not repairable, with this current commissioner at least.

Not sure why you're basically absolving UM on this, but here's an outsider's take...

1- there's a vast amount of undeniable evidence that Michigan has been cheating for years.
2- the staffer has been fired, but only after Michigan had been publicly outed months after the investigation started privately and with Michigan's awareness.
3- the coach, who has been penalized for other NCAA/B1G infractions just this season, is to be held accountable for direct and/or indirect knowledge of everything going on within the program. There's this concept of lack of institutional control, so a leader can't just look the other way or claim ignorance of wrongdoing underneath him or her.
4- there's this thing called progressive discipline and this is not a legal case in a court of law, so there's no requirement to have 100% of the evidence presented before initial discipline is handed out.
5- Harbaugh's three game non-sideline game coaching penalty is just the first step and really is just a bit of a slap on the wrist with more measures likely.
6- do other schools have cheating going on right now and in the past? Yup, pretty sure there's something going on at many B1G schools but this is not what's being investigated now. Will Michigan report something going on elsewhere? Seems like that will happen at some point. That's within their rights as a B1G member. But it doesn't absolve Michigan from what they're being investigated for now.
7- Michigan in the court of public opinion is really looking poor on all of this. Poor Head Coach, AD, and President perceptions abound. Supposedly their BOT's, major donors, and university professors' views are mixed on it.
8- usually when something reaches this point this fast, the outcomes are not good for the leadership. Seems like that's what is going to happen here, too.
9- whether in a court of law, the court of public opinion, or in a member-driven disciplinary process if remorse is shown, the penalties are usually handed down with that taken into account. There is little of that being shown by Michigan, so they are going to have to risk their track of behavior impacting what may or may not apply to their final penalties in this regard.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Recurring conference realignment board there:

Ward Manuel is an awful AD

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Not sure why you're basically absolving UM on this, but here's an outsider's take...

1- there's a vast amount of undeniable evidence that Michigan has been cheating for years.
2- the staffer has been fired, but only after Michigan had been publicly outed months after the investigation started privately and with Michigan's awareness.
3- the coach, who has been penalized for other NCAA/B1G infractions just this season, is to be held accountable for direct and/or indirect knowledge of everything going on within the program. There's this concept of lack of institutional control, so a leader can't just look the other way or claim ignorance of wrongdoing underneath him or her.
4- there's this thing called progressive discipline and this is not a legal case in a court of law, so there's no requirement to have 100% of the evidence presented before initial discipline is handed out.
5- Harbaugh's three game non-sideline game coaching penalty is just the first step and really is just a bit of a slap on the wrist with more measures likely.
6- do other schools have cheating going on right now and in the past? Yup, pretty sure there's something going on at many B1G schools but this is not what's being investigated now. Will Michigan report something going on elsewhere? Seems like that will happen at some point. That's within their rights as a B1G member. But it doesn't absolve Michigan from what they're being investigated for now.
7- Michigan in the court of public opinion is really looking poor on all of this. Poor Head Coach, AD, and President perceptions abound. Supposedly their BOT's, major donors, and university professors' views are mixed on it.
8- usually when something reaches this point this fast, the outcomes are not good for the leadership. Seems like that's what is going to happen here, too.
9- whether in a court of law, the court of public opinion, or in a member-driven disciplinary process if remorse is shown, the penalties are usually handed down with that taken into account. There is little of that being shown by Michigan, so they are going to have to risk their track of behavior impacting what may or may not apply to their final penalties in this regard.

Every team steals signs. Michigan actually has proof that OSU and Rutgers shared Michigan signs with Purdue before the Big Ten Championship game. The act of sign stealing itself really isn’t that big of a deal. Connor just looked crazy with how far he went (rightfully).

The investigation was not started with Michigan’s awareness. It’s very likely that OSU hired a private investigator in this situation and obtained a lot of information in a very illegal way. Not just to NCAA laws. But actually laws. This was not being privately investigated by the NCAA or Big Ten.

As far as progressive discipline, there’s literally a rule in the Big Ten handbook that they can’t do what they did. It’s the whole reason Michigan is going to court. Their president actually spelled it out in his letter to the conference that they are breaking their own rule.

This situation has actually seemed to bring all Michigan parties onto the same accord with this. Don’t be surprised to see a Harbaugh contract extension before the OSU game. I’m not sure where you’re getting the mixed feelings thing from.

Michigan does not mind taking penalties for their actions, but they are jumping the gun here without due process because of court of public opinion. That sets a dangerous precedent. It also opens up a Pandora’s box now that this may go to court and Michigan may expose what others are doing. So are all the coaches going to be suspended too??

I’m actually looking forward to how the legal battle plays out. It could get ugly.

 

[ZooCougar]

Every team steals signs. Michigan actually has proof that OSU and Rutgers shared Michigan signs with Purdue before the Big Ten Championship game. The act of sign stealing itself really isn’t that big of a deal. Connor just looked crazy with how far he went (rightfully).

The investigation was not started with Michigan’s awareness. It’s very likely that OSU hired a private investigator in this situation and obtained a lot of information in a very illegal way. Not just to NCAA laws. But actually laws. This was not being privately investigated by the NCAA or Big Ten.

As far as progressive discipline, there’s literally a rule in the Big Ten handbook that they can’t do what they did. It’s the whole reason Michigan is going to court. Their president actually spelled it out in his letter to the conference that they are breaking their own rule.

This situation has actually seemed to bring all Michigan parties onto the same accord with this. Don’t be surprised to see a Harbaugh contract extension before the OSU game. I’m not sure where you’re getting the mixed feelings thing from.

Michigan does not mind taking penalties for their actions, but they are jumping the gun here without due process because of court of public opinion. That sets a dangerous precedent. It also opens up a Pandora’s box now that this may go to court and Michigan may expose what others are doing. So are all the coaches going to be suspended too??

I’m actually looking forward to how the legal battle plays out. It could get ugly.

It’s not that they were stealing signs. It’s how they were doing it. Using technology and having spies in person at non Michigan games.

The investigators have a Mich spreadsheet showing who is attending which games.

The NCAA has begun offering players immunity because we are hearing that they have uncovered gambling issues within the program.

Michigan isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Vowelguy]

Every team steals signs. Michigan actually has proof that OSU and Rutgers shared Michigan signs with Purdue before the Big Ten Championship game. The act of sign stealing itself really isn’t that big of a deal. Connor just looked crazy with how far he went (rightfully).
.

The rule is that you can’t send someone to other stadiums to scout/steal in person.

Michigan broke that rule.

I have seen no evidence that Purdue or Ohio St did.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

The rule is that you can’t send someone to other stadiums to scout/steal in person.

Michigan broke that rule.

I have seen no evidence that Purdue or Ohio St did.

It’s a stupid rule and it doesn’t give a competitive advantage. The only reason it’s a rule is because smaller schools can’t afford to do it.

It’s already been reported in Michigan circles that they handed evidence that they shared Michigan signs with each other. Again, when/if things go to court (which will start with the TRO hearing Friday for Harbaugh to coach the OSU game) a lot of things may come to light.

@ZooCougar ive heard nothing about gambling rumors at all. Giving immunity in NCAA investigations is very common. He’ll in ANY investigation lol

 

[ZooCougar]

It’s a stupid rule and it doesn’t give a competitive advantage. The only reason it’s a rule is because smaller schools can’t afford to do it.

It’s already been reported in Michigan circles that they handed evidence that they shared Michigan signs with each other. Again, when/if things go to court (which will start with the TRO hearing Friday for Harbaugh to coach the OSU game) a lot of things may come to light.

@ZooCougar ive heard nothing about gambling rumors at all. Giving immunity in NCAA investigations is very common. He’ll in ANY investigation lol

You’re about to.

Again you are ignoring key facts. Nobody is saying that stealing signs is against the rules.

It’s the manner in which they occurred that is the issue.

It doesn’t matter if you think the rule is stupid.

And if doesn’t provide a competitive advantage then why do it?

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

You’re about to.

Again you are ignoring key facts. Nobody is saying that stealing signs is against the rules.

It’s the manner in which they occurred that is the issue.

It doesn’t matter if you think the rule is stupid.

And if doesn’t provide a competitive advantage then why do it?

The same reason you scout and watch game film. It doesn’t provide that much more of a competitive advantage. It’s something that everyone does too. Like you said, Connor Stallions was just a lunatic with it. That’s all there is to it.

Of all the dirt that happens in cfb Harbaugh is going to miss seven games this year over buying a recruit a cheeseburger and signs that aren’t that big of a deal. There’s a way bigger agenda going on hear against Harbaugh.

 

[ZooCougar]

The same reason you scout and watch game film. It doesn’t provide that much more of a competitive advantage. It’s something that everyone does too. Like you said, Connor Stallions was just a lunatic with it. That’s all there is to it.

Of all the dirt that happens in cfb Harbaugh is going to miss seven games this year over buying a recruit a cheeseburger and signs that aren’t that big of a deal. There’s a way bigger agenda going on hear against Harbaugh.

You’re ignoring key facts.

In person scouting is againts the rules. Using technology like they did is against the rules.

You’re obviously just another Michigan fan who doesn’t believe that the rules apply to Michigan.

 

[JMick]

Michigan fans and the people defending them are wild. This is like a kid saying he didn't steal the cookies while he has chocolate all over his face and a milk mustache to go with it.