Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[noeynox]

How does the investor make money in these scenarios? It’s not like you can sell the company once it increases in value.

I try to think of ways they can achieve a return on investment when most athletic programs LOSE money and all i can think of is these people must be multiple times smarter than me cause i just don't see it.

 

[CL82]

Perhaps but I don't see how it's a death spiral. The critical component today is survival and you just typed it, make them more competitive. It could help solidify the Big 12's position as clearly the 3rd best conference, which could help its programs become more successful, which would make them more valuable. That's a solid long term investment if it plays out that way. The bigger the gap between the Big 12 and the ACC, the bigger the win.

Converting capital to cash to fund current operating expenses is virtually always a losing play. You often see it with failing businesses as a last ditch effort to keep the lights on enough for things to turn around. The problem is you have to have a solid plan to actually turn things around. Just hoping it'll happen is the kind of "magic thinking" that is typical of toddlers.

 

[Kolumbo]

Converting capital to cash to fund current operating expenses is virtually always a losing play. You often see it with failing businesses as a last ditch effort to keep the lights on enough for things to turn around. The problem is you have to have a solid plan to actually turn things around. Just hoping it'll happen is the kind of "magic thinking" that is typical of toddlers.

You think college football is a failing business?
If you don't see college football as an extremely lucrative business for its owners, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Especially if there are 3 power conferences going forward.

 

[Patman]

You think college football is a failing business?
If you don't see college football as an extremely lucrative business for its owners, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Especially if there are 3 power conferences going forward.

You think that certain players can't make failing moves in a bid to keep up?

 

[Kolumbo]

You think that certain players can't make failing moves in a bid to keep up?

what the H are you talking about?

 

[huskidork]

A&M mad they have to be with Texas every year, was forced to vote yes

South Carolina and Florida don't want FSU and Clemson, get their way and force them to play in the Big 12

that's HILARIOUS

 

[upstater]

I think college football is in a massive bubble right now and all this realignment crap is just somebody blowing into the straw blowing it bigger and bigger. Conferences are cannibalizing conferences. Teams are foregoing years of distribution payments just for a seat at the table.

edit: posted before I finished my thought.... The more this goes on, it's going to alienate teams that are in these power conferences i.e. Indiana, Vanderbilt, Illinois .. all the schools that have no shot at a national championship. With the new movements that could include schools like Oregon and Washington now.. That will lead to disengagement from fans. Once that happens the advertising money goes away and where do we think the money from these media networks that are funding these conference deals come from.

Now lawyers are getting involved because the money is too big. Now there is 20% revenue sharing on the table. It's happening in front of us.

The one thing never taken into account is the massive liabilities of the schools. They are funding the AD and everything looks good, but 99.9% of the ADs have no outstanding debt for stadiums and facilities because the schools have fronted all of that with bonds. We've seen this blow up on presidents at a number of places, but it's a hidden cost that no one ever talks about. And it's not only hidden, it is THE major cost.

In pro sports, the billionaires get the taxpayers to foot most of the bill. Which I guess is also true for the public colleges. But the costs are astronomical.

 

[Hamms30]

The one thing never taken into account is the massive liabilities of the schools. They are funding the AD and everything looks good, but 99.9% of the ADs have no outstanding debt for stadiums and facilities because the schools have fronted all of that with bonds. We've seen this blow up on presidents at a number of places, but it's a hidden cost that no one ever talks about. And it's not only hidden, it is THE major cost.

In pro sports, the billionaires get the taxpayers to foot most of the bill. Which I guess is also true for the public colleges. But the costs are astronomical.

didn't Oregon St. just completely revamp their stadium last year and then suddenly they were abandoned when the PAC disintegrated? I think it was them. The numbers are huge and there's no real margin for error. Which is a bit unnerving with this is the most volatile environment the NCAA has probably ever seen.

 

[upstater]

didn't Oregon St. just completely revamp their stadium last year and then suddenly they were abandoned when the PAC disintegrated? I think it was them. The numbers are huge and there's no real margin for error. Which is a bit unnerving with this is the most volatile environment the NCAA has probably ever seen.

U. Cal-Berkeley also has the same problem. We've seen this happen at West Virginia where the revenues didn't come close to the cost of the stadium and at Oklahoma St when T. Boone Pickens' donation went belly-up. Lucky for them he came back a decade later and made good.

 

[Patman]

what the H are you talking about?

I didn't realize it had to be spelled out

Big 12 is making desperate moves to keep up with the others.

 

[GoConn]

Not sure if Jason is key but

 

[Forte]

Not sure if Jason is key but

boring so predictable. Yormark wins again masterful. Ok, wake me when UConn matters...likely when we get scrweed in big12 future bball only

 

[huskymedic]

boring so predictable. Yormark wins again masterful. Ok, wake me when UConn matters...likely when we get scrweed in big12 future bball only

Just another one in a tuxedo (from last summer):

 

[jostar1]

Postscripts: Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

By Matthew Postins

It took one sportswriter on one YouTube show saying one thing about the ACC to light another fire when it comes to realignment.

Yahoo Sports!’s Ross Dellenger did an interview with KC Sports Network’s John Kurtz during Big 12 Media Days and they talked about the ACC as it relates to potential realignment. In that interview, Dellenger said the following about the Big 12, Clemson and Florida State:

“Well when you look at Clemson and Florida’s State’s options, the first option would probably be to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. The second option would be some way to re-form the ACC with a smaller number of teams where you would be at a financial advantage because you wouldn’t be splitting the TV distribution with maybe 18 teams, you’d be splitting it with 10, so they could reform in a smaller group. And option three is to probably join another league and obviously there is only one other power conference league and that is the Big 12. You look at those options and again, they probably prefer No. 1.”

He also went on to say this:

“I think there is at least early conversation between the Big 12 and those schools about the possibility.”

“I think” are the key words here. The quote in the tweet posted with the video came without the “I think.” There’s an important distinction there.

“I think” means I think this is happening but I haven’t confirmed it. Logically, I would agree with Dellenger — the Big 12, Clemson and Florida have probably talked, likely through third parties. But I’m not reporting that. I don’t have the sources to report it. If Dellenger had the sources, he’d say “I’m reporting” or “Sources tell me,” something like that, an indication that he has the information on good authority.

Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

What’s going on in the Big 12 and beyond? I expand and explain every Sunday in Postscripts at Heartland College Sports, your home for independent Big 12 coverage. This week, another round of ACC drama (I think), Hailey hits the mic in Fort Worth and the one statement from Deion Sanders that I...

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Postscripts: Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

By Matthew Postins

It took one sportswriter on one YouTube show saying one thing about the ACC to light another fire when it comes to realignment.

Yahoo Sports!’s Ross Dellenger did an interview with KC Sports Network’s John Kurtz during Big 12 Media Days and they talked about the ACC as it relates to potential realignment. In that interview, Dellenger said the following about the Big 12, Clemson and Florida State:

“Well when you look at Clemson and Florida’s State’s options, the first option would probably be to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. The second option would be some way to re-form the ACC with a smaller number of teams where you would be at a financial advantage because you wouldn’t be splitting the TV distribution with maybe 18 teams, you’d be splitting it with 10, so they could reform in a smaller group. And option three is to probably join another league and obviously there is only one other power conference league and that is the Big 12. You look at those options and again, they probably prefer No. 1.”

He also went on to say this:

“I think there is at least early conversation between the Big 12 and those schools about the possibility.”

“I think” are the key words here. The quote in the tweet posted with the video came without the “I think.” There’s an important distinction there.

“I think” means I think this is happening but I haven’t confirmed it. Logically, I would agree with Dellenger — the Big 12, Clemson and Florida have probably talked, likely through third parties. But I’m not reporting that. I don’t have the sources to report it. If Dellenger had the sources, he’d say “I’m reporting” or “Sources tell me,” something like that, an indication that he has the information on good authority.

Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

What’s going on in the Big 12 and beyond? I expand and explain every Sunday in Postscripts at Heartland College Sports, your home for independent Big 12 coverage. This week, another round of ACC drama (I think), Hailey hits the mic in Fort Worth and the one statement from Deion Sanders that I...

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

The problem with this from a words perspective (yes, words do matter!!) is that it's not about options it's about scenarios or possibilities. Options are when it's your choice (i.e. you opt to do something). Sorry I had to state the obvious.

 

[CL82]

Not sure if Jason is key but

Lol, paying 9 figures to make what is essentially a lateral move.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.

The "basketball only" is a misnomer. Like you said it's all sports but football. And, if the money is good, and there is an agreement for 4-6 football games, with a carrot dangling for full membership, you have to do due diligence.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

The "basketball only" is a misnomer. Like you said it's all sports but football. And, if the money is good, and there is an agreement for 4-6 football games, with a carrot dangling for full membership, you have to do due diligence.

Right. Baseball will only get stronger too

 

[CL82]

Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.

Not preferred, but sure, depending upon the numbers. Give me that deal for a dollar less than an ACC full share and I would take it gladly. Give me the same deal for a dollar more than a big east full share and I would turn it down in a heartbeat. As always, the devil is in the details.

If I were the president I would press for a pathway to full membership over a specific number of years. Absent that, somebody would have to throw a whole lot of cash at us.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Right. Baseball will only get stronger too

Penders has gotten phukd over with UConn returning to the BE.
If UConn does change conferences, it will benefit UConn baseball and Penders, and for that I am thankful.

 

[Kolumbo]

Yeah, I don't believe FSU or Clemson are looking at moving to the Big 12. Financially it makes no sense.

That said, you know me, I always like to play devil's advocate. The Big 12 and ACC are #3 and #4, or #4 and #3. If FSU, Clemson, or 1 or 2 others moved to the Big 12, I think the Big 12 would be closer to the P2 than people give it credit for. And the ACC would be closer to G6. I think I give a lot more weight to the Corner 4 than most people do. And the B1G would still not be in Florida or Texas.

Here's an interesting article about recruiting in Texas which I found via the Jason Scheer account.

Brent Brennan believes move to Big 12 should expand recruiting

Brent Brennan discusses recruiting Texas, expanding Arizona's reach, and more.

247sports.com

Yeah, I don't believe FSU or Clemson are looking at moving to the Big 12. Financially it makes no sense.

That said, you know me, I always like to play devil's advocate. The Big 12 and ACC are #3 and #4, or #4 and #3. If FSU, Clemson, or 1 or 2 others moved to the Big 12, I think the Big 12 would be closer to the P2 than people give it credit for. And the ACC would be closer to G6. I think I give a lot more weight to the Corner 4 than most people do. And the B1G would still not be in Florida or Texas. So although a lateral move before the move, FSU and Clemson moving to the Big 12 would make the Big 12 much stronger than the ACC.

Here's an interesting article about recruiting in Texas which I found via the Jason Scheer account.

Brent Brennan believes move to Big 12 should expand recruiting

Brent Brennan discusses recruiting Texas, expanding Arizona's reach, and more.

247sports.com

 

[Stinger92860]

Right. Baseball will only get stronger too

I want UConn to open a Frisco TX campus and place the Baseball team there Use Riders Field for games.

Why not, Fairfield U opened an Austin TX campus.

 

[uconndogs]

All the noise about FSU and Clemson to the B12 suggests that there may not yet be a deal at the ready with the SEC or BiG for either of them. If that's the case, then it would be very smart for FSU and Clemson to have some negotiating leverage with the SEC and BiG. If you believe, as I do, that the BiG and SEC want to own major college football, then they will want to be sure that the B12 is left in a distant third place which would mean they would want to preclude them bringing in FSU and Clemson.

That's my guess.....

 

[jostar1]