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Kolumbo said:
You think college football is a failing business?
If you don't see college football as an extremely lucrative business for its owners, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Especially if there are 3 power conferences going forward.
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You think that certain players can't make failing moves in a bid to keep up?
 
A&M mad they have to be with Texas every year, was forced to vote yes

South Carolina and Florida don't want FSU and Clemson, get their way and force them to play in the Big 12

that's HILARIOUS
 
Hamms30 said:
I think college football is in a massive bubble right now and all this realignment crap is just somebody blowing into the straw blowing it bigger and bigger. Conferences are cannibalizing conferences. Teams are foregoing years of distribution payments just for a seat at the table.

edit: posted before I finished my thought.... The more this goes on, it's going to alienate teams that are in these power conferences i.e. Indiana, Vanderbilt, Illinois .. all the schools that have no shot at a national championship. With the new movements that could include schools like Oregon and Washington now.. That will lead to disengagement from fans. Once that happens the advertising money goes away and where do we think the money from these media networks that are funding these conference deals come from.

Now lawyers are getting involved because the money is too big. Now there is 20% revenue sharing on the table. It's happening in front of us.
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The one thing never taken into account is the massive liabilities of the schools. They are funding the AD and everything looks good, but 99.9% of the ADs have no outstanding debt for stadiums and facilities because the schools have fronted all of that with bonds. We've seen this blow up on presidents at a number of places, but it's a hidden cost that no one ever talks about. And it's not only hidden, it is THE major cost.

In pro sports, the billionaires get the taxpayers to foot most of the bill. Which I guess is also true for the public colleges. But the costs are astronomical.
 
upstater said:
The one thing never taken into account is the massive liabilities of the schools. They are funding the AD and everything looks good, but 99.9% of the ADs have no outstanding debt for stadiums and facilities because the schools have fronted all of that with bonds. We've seen this blow up on presidents at a number of places, but it's a hidden cost that no one ever talks about. And it's not only hidden, it is THE major cost.

In pro sports, the billionaires get the taxpayers to foot most of the bill. Which I guess is also true for the public colleges. But the costs are astronomical.
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didn't Oregon St. just completely revamp their stadium last year and then suddenly they were abandoned when the PAC disintegrated? I think it was them. The numbers are huge and there's no real margin for error. Which is a bit unnerving with this is the most volatile environment the NCAA has probably ever seen.
 
Hamms30 said:
didn't Oregon St. just completely revamp their stadium last year and then suddenly they were abandoned when the PAC disintegrated? I think it was them. The numbers are huge and there's no real margin for error. Which is a bit unnerving with this is the most volatile environment the NCAA has probably ever seen.
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U. Cal-Berkeley also has the same problem. We've seen this happen at West Virginia where the revenues didn't come close to the cost of the stadium and at Oklahoma St when T. Boone Pickens' donation went belly-up. Lucky for them he came back a decade later and made good.
 
Postscripts: Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

By Matthew Postins

It took one sportswriter on one YouTube show saying one thing about the ACC to light another fire when it comes to realignment.

Yahoo Sports!’s Ross Dellenger did an interview with KC Sports Network’s John Kurtz during Big 12 Media Days and they talked about the ACC as it relates to potential realignment. In that interview, Dellenger said the following about the Big 12, Clemson and Florida State:

“Well when you look at Clemson and Florida’s State’s options, the first option would probably be to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. The second option would be some way to re-form the ACC with a smaller number of teams where you would be at a financial advantage because you wouldn’t be splitting the TV distribution with maybe 18 teams, you’d be splitting it with 10, so they could reform in a smaller group. And option three is to probably join another league and obviously there is only one other power conference league and that is the Big 12. You look at those options and again, they probably prefer No. 1.”

He also went on to say this:

“I think there is at least early conversation between the Big 12 and those schools about the possibility.”

“I think” are the key words here. The quote in the tweet posted with the video came without the “I think.” There’s an important distinction there.

“I think” means I think this is happening but I haven’t confirmed it. Logically, I would agree with Dellenger — the Big 12, Clemson and Florida have probably talked, likely through third parties. But I’m not reporting that. I don’t have the sources to report it. If Dellenger had the sources, he’d say “I’m reporting” or “Sources tell me,” something like that, an indication that he has the information on good authority.

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

What’s going on in the Big 12 and beyond? I expand and explain every Sunday in Postscripts at Heartland College Sports, your home for independent Big 12 coverage. This week, another round of ACC drama (I think), Hailey hits the mic in Fort Worth and the one statement from Deion Sanders that I...
www.heartlandcollegesports.com www.heartlandcollegesports.com
 
jostar1 said:
Postscripts: Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

By Matthew Postins

It took one sportswriter on one YouTube show saying one thing about the ACC to light another fire when it comes to realignment.

Yahoo Sports!’s Ross Dellenger did an interview with KC Sports Network’s John Kurtz during Big 12 Media Days and they talked about the ACC as it relates to potential realignment. In that interview, Dellenger said the following about the Big 12, Clemson and Florida State:

“Well when you look at Clemson and Florida’s State’s options, the first option would probably be to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. The second option would be some way to re-form the ACC with a smaller number of teams where you would be at a financial advantage because you wouldn’t be splitting the TV distribution with maybe 18 teams, you’d be splitting it with 10, so they could reform in a smaller group. And option three is to probably join another league and obviously there is only one other power conference league and that is the Big 12. You look at those options and again, they probably prefer No. 1.”

He also went on to say this:

“I think there is at least early conversation between the Big 12 and those schools about the possibility.”

“I think” are the key words here. The quote in the tweet posted with the video came without the “I think.” There’s an important distinction there.

“I think” means I think this is happening but I haven’t confirmed it. Logically, I would agree with Dellenger — the Big 12, Clemson and Florida have probably talked, likely through third parties. But I’m not reporting that. I don’t have the sources to report it. If Dellenger had the sources, he’d say “I’m reporting” or “Sources tell me,” something like that, an indication that he has the information on good authority.

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

Big 12 Expansion Rumors Get Overblown Thanks to Two Missing Words

What’s going on in the Big 12 and beyond? I expand and explain every Sunday in Postscripts at Heartland College Sports, your home for independent Big 12 coverage. This week, another round of ACC drama (I think), Hailey hits the mic in Fort Worth and the one statement from Deion Sanders that I...
www.heartlandcollegesports.com www.heartlandcollegesports.com
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The problem with this from a words perspective (yes, words do matter!!) is that it's not about options it's about scenarios or possibilities. Options are when it's your choice (i.e. you opt to do something). Sorry I had to state the obvious.
 
Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.
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The "basketball only" is a misnomer. Like you said it's all sports but football. And, if the money is good, and there is an agreement for 4-6 football games, with a carrot dangling for full membership, you have to do due diligence.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Unpopular opinion around here but you take a bball invite with football scheduling benefits. The downfall is obviously travel and men’s soccer. They might be able to stay in the BE or will have to get an affiliation with the A10 or CAA. We’ve also seen what happens when our bball team flies multiple hours to every game.

It comes down to money and even a quarter share is way more money than we’d get in the BE.
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Not preferred, but sure, depending upon the numbers. Give me that deal for a dollar less than an ACC full share and I would take it gladly. Give me the same deal for a dollar more than a big east full share and I would turn it down in a heartbeat. As always, the devil is in the details.

If I were the president I would press for a pathway to full membership over a specific number of years. Absent that, somebody would have to throw a whole lot of cash at us.
 
Kolumbo said:
Yeah, I don't believe FSU or Clemson are looking at moving to the Big 12. Financially it makes no sense.

That said, you know me, I always like to play devil's advocate. The Big 12 and ACC are #3 and #4, or #4 and #3. If FSU, Clemson, or 1 or 2 others moved to the Big 12, I think the Big 12 would be closer to the P2 than people give it credit for. And the ACC would be closer to G6. I think I give a lot more weight to the Corner 4 than most people do. And the B1G would still not be in Florida or Texas.

Here's an interesting article about recruiting in Texas which I found via the Jason Scheer account.

247sports.com

Brent Brennan believes move to Big 12 should expand recruiting

Brent Brennan discusses recruiting Texas, expanding Arizona's reach, and more.
247sports.com 247sports.com

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Yeah, I don't believe FSU or Clemson are looking at moving to the Big 12. Financially it makes no sense.

That said, you know me, I always like to play devil's advocate. The Big 12 and ACC are #3 and #4, or #4 and #3. If FSU, Clemson, or 1 or 2 others moved to the Big 12, I think the Big 12 would be closer to the P2 than people give it credit for. And the ACC would be closer to G6. I think I give a lot more weight to the Corner 4 than most people do. And the B1G would still not be in Florida or Texas. So although a lateral move before the move, FSU and Clemson moving to the Big 12 would make the Big 12 much stronger than the ACC.

Here's an interesting article about recruiting in Texas which I found via the Jason Scheer account.



247sports.com

Brent Brennan believes move to Big 12 should expand recruiting

Brent Brennan discusses recruiting Texas, expanding Arizona's reach, and more.
247sports.com 247sports.com
 
All the noise about FSU and Clemson to the B12 suggests that there may not yet be a deal at the ready with the SEC or BiG for either of them. If that's the case, then it would be very smart for FSU and Clemson to have some negotiating leverage with the SEC and BiG. If you believe, as I do, that the BiG and SEC want to own major college football, then they will want to be sure that the B12 is left in a distant third place which would mean they would want to preclude them bringing in FSU and Clemson.

That's my guess.....
 
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