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Bevobeat ‏@bevobeat · 11h11 hours ago
Bohls: What school is the most appealing if the Big 12 expands? | Hookem.com

"As for expansion, I think Houston could be in the most appealing position because, with the death of any ambitions for a Big 12 Network, the need for new, healthy television markets has lessened. The desire for more competitive football — and basketball — brands is on the rise. Selling season tickets is more critical. “Yes, TV markets are important. Yes, the financial aspect is important,” Boren said, “but our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams. We have to determine what that’s going to do to the long-time reputation of the brands at each of the schools and what quality of opponents we’re having.” To me, BYU is the no-brainer and now wouldn’t have to worry about BYUtv antagonizing the Big 12. And Houston is hot at the moment.”
 
jostar1 said:
Bevobeat ‏@bevobeat · 11h11 hours ago
Bohls: What school is the most appealing if the Big 12 expands? | Hookem.com

"As for expansion, I think Houston could be in the most appealing position because, with the death of any ambitions for a Big 12 Network, the need for new, healthy television markets has lessened. The desire for more competitive football — and basketball — brands is on the rise. Selling season tickets is more critical. “Yes, TV markets are important. Yes, the financial aspect is important,” Boren said, “but our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams. We have to determine what that’s going to do to the long-time reputation of the brands at each of the schools and what quality of opponents we’re having.” To me, BYU is the no-brainer and now wouldn’t have to worry about BYUtv antagonizing the Big 12. And Houston is hot at the moment.”
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I can see them doing this. It would suck. But if the B12 left both Cincy and UConn in the AAC it would do less damage to the AAC TV look-in, IIRC.

Anyway, maybe they add those two, then grab UConn and Cincy in a couple years since WVU needs eastern partners, depending on how the non-traditional network idea pans out.
 
If they do expand by 2 teams and 1 of those is not UConn, I think BYU and one of the Florida teams (or Memphis) is the best we can hope for. You really have to hope like hell that Houston and Cincy football are kept.
 
jostar1 said:
Bevobeat ‏@bevobeat · 11h11 hours ago
Bohls: What school is the most appealing if the Big 12 expands? | Hookem.com

"As for expansion, I think Houston could be in the most appealing position because, with the death of any ambitions for a Big 12 Network, the need for new, healthy television markets has lessened. The desire for more competitive football — and basketball — brands is on the rise. Selling season tickets is more critical. “Yes, TV markets are important. Yes, the financial aspect is important,” Boren said, “but our fans want to see our teams play against great teams. They don’t want to see them play mediocre teams. We have to determine what that’s going to do to the long-time reputation of the brands at each of the schools and what quality of opponents we’re having.” To me, BYU is the no-brainer and now wouldn’t have to worry about BYUtv antagonizing the Big 12. And Houston is hot at the moment.”
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Texas Monthly said the same thing so BYU and Houston seems to be a growing consensus among some sports writers in Texas, but whenever Kirk Bohls is cited, I'm always reminded of a graph that Thujones, a master of ms paint who contributes to the irreverent Texas fan site Shaggy Texas (formerly ShaggyBevo) once posted there. I'd love to post it here but it contains PG-13 language so I guess I'd better reference it instead.

You can find it reproduced here:
Prevail and Ride: December 2010

I think it's the 25th slide down. You'll see Kirk Bohl's name. And that, friends and neighbors, succinctly sums up Texas fans' opinion of Kirk Bohl's knowledge and insight.
 
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Charley Horse said:
Texas Monthly said the same thing so BYU and Houston seems to be a growing consensus among some sports writers in Texas, but whenever Kirk Bohls is cited, I'm always reminded of a graph that Thujones, a master of ms paint who contributes to the irreverent Texas fan site Shaggy Texas (formerly ShaggyBevo) once posted there. I'd love to post it here but it contains PG-13 language so I guess I'd better reference it instead.

You can find it reproduced here:
Prevail and Ride: December 2010

I think it's the 25th slide down. You'll see Kirk Bohl's name. And that, friends and neighbors, succinctly sums up Texas fans' opinion of Kirk Bohl's knowledge and insight.
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They want to see great teams, eh? The last "great team" Houston had in any sport was in 1984. And that was basketball.

The last "great team" BYU had was in...1984. Football at least.

So two teams named "Cougars" that haven't been great in over 30 years.

UConn was last great, in a men's sport, in 2014.
 
Travis Hines ‏@TravisHines21 · 3h3 hours ago
ISU President Steven Leath said he's a proponent of the Big 12 staying at 10 teams but acknowledged expansion is probably in the future

Travis Hines ‏@TravisHines21 · 3h3 hours ago
Whether that's the immediate or long-term future, that's unclear.

Travis Hines ‏@TravisHines21 · 3h3 hours ago
President Leath also hinted pretty extensively that the Big 12 is exploring streaming options with conference network off the table.

Travis Hines ‏@TravisHines21 · 1h1 hour ago
ISU Pres. Steven Leath sounded very intrigued with the idea of having football divisions "re-seeded" each year rather than staying static.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
Thinking of Re-seeding divisions every year?
B12 has no concept of Branding....stoking rivalries.
Horse n Buggy

Travis Hines ‏@TravisHines21 · 27m27 minutes ago
Iowa State President Steven Leath on expansion, divisions and potential digital ventures
ISU: Leath doesn’t feel ‘compelled’ to expand Big 12 right now
 
“I think (potential additions) have to compete at a high level, but it’s not just, to me, just about performance in athletics. It has to be the kind of school that adds value to the league – an academically successful school, plays by the rules, gives everybody the right impression this is a first-class league going forward.”

C'mon Bobby D. you are on the clock.
 
It is absolutely astounding that anyone would find any value for the B12 in Houston. They.....really......don't.....get it.
 
UConn Huskies ‏@UConnHuskies · 4h4 hours ago
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UConn Huskies ‏@UConnHuskies · 7h7 hours ago
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CL82 said:
“I think (potential additions) have to compete at a high level, but it’s not just, to me, just about performance in athletics. It has to be the kind of school that adds value to the league – an academically successful school, plays by the rules, gives everybody the right impression this is a first-class league going forward.”

C'mon Bobby D. you are on the clock.
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This would be the time for UConn to have a truly noteworthy season. I'm cautiously optimistic that is a real possibility this year.
 
Houston had a good year, but you're doubling down on stupid if you expand with them.

And I have nothing against Houston - if they could keep building, they would be a much better deal than Texas Tech for the PAC-12 if they wanted to go PAC-16 with UT and another Texas program.

But if you have a conference with a teeny footprint and at least some aspiration for some sort of network, traditional or otherwise, you don't cast your net in the same tiny pool. It'd be like Disney opening a new DisneyWorld in the parking lot of the old one.

Even if you don't have any kind of network, you don't want your conference to have the same kiddie footprint the next time you have to go renegotiate your network deals.
 
Fishy said:
Houston had a good year, but you're doubling down on stupid if you expand with them.

And I have nothing against Houston - if they could keep building, they would be a much better deal than Texas Tech for the PAC-12 if they wanted to go PAC-16 with UT and another Texas program.

But if you have a conference with a teeny footprint and at least some aspiration for some sort of network, traditional or otherwise, you don't cast your net in the same tiny pool. It'd be like Disney opening a new DisneyWorld in the parking lot of the old one.

Even if you don't have any kind of network, you don't want your conference to have the same kiddie footprint the next time you have to go renegotiate your network deals.
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This logic makes perfect sense unless your name is the University of Texas and you already have a network. In that case your primary goal would be to preserve the LHN and insure any Big12 additions do not threaten the LHN in the future. The last thing Texas AD Perrin needs is that uppidy Boren and Gee screaming next year about a Big12 network after a couple of new regions in the NE are added.

Texas' preferred expansion strategy probably comes down to "do nothing." If there public outcry from the rest of the losers in the Big12 and expansion has to happen then UT's expansion candidates are likely selected on 3 characteristics. "Please note TCU and TT will also be having what Mr. Longhorn is ordering."

1. Whose addition insures the Big12 is not significantly helped in building a network thus insuring the UT will never be asked to fold the LHN into a Big12 network?
2. Whose addition allows a nice easy travel for UT athletes and fans/alumni?
3. What program is most likely to bow to the Longhorn nation and do what they are told in the future?

TCU and TT are probably providing a tutorial to UH as we speak.... "So when the UT AD walks in, make sure you always stand and do not sit down till AD Perrin says it is ok. Whenever AD Perrin finishes speaking make sure you always scream "hook em horns." If asked a questioned do not make eye contact and the appropriate response is always "what would you do, sir?" And, above all else, always vote the way UT tells you to...you going to do fine in the Big12, welcome aboard Houston."
 
UT's End Game was always pretty transparent to me. Its 1)Preserve The LHN at all cost. 2)Try not to look like your end game is preserving The LHN at all cost. I get it. They have something that is unique and valuable and they are not interested in giving that all up just so that KSU or WVU can come up in the world George Jefferson Style.

The insane-o contract that ESPN gifted them expires long after the current Big 12 GOR will have come and gone. The Big 12 will either not expand(UT's preference) or take 2 football names that look like quality wins on a team's schedule when it comes playoff time. The Big 12 will make a lot of money for another few years, and then it's time to turn on the lights because its last call. Texas will be great. OU probably ok. KU? That is a good question. The rest of the conference? I hope you saved your money.
 
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dwalks93 said:
This logic makes perfect sense unless your name is the University of Texas and you already have a network. In that case your primary goal would be to preserve the LHN and insure any Big12 additions do not threaten the LHN in the future. The last thing Texas AD Perrin needs is that uppidy Boren and Gee screaming next year about a Big12 network after a couple of new regions in the NE are added.

Texas' preferred expansion strategy probably comes down to "do nothing." If there public outcry from the rest of the losers in the Big12 and expansion has to happen then UT's expansion candidates are likely selected on 3 characteristics. "Please note TCU and TT will also be having what Mr. Longhorn is ordering."

1. Whose addition insures the Big12 is not significantly helped in building a network thus insuring the UT will never be asked to fold the LHN into a Big12 network?
2. Whose addition allows a nice easy travel for UT athletes and fans/alumni?
3. What program is most likely to bow to the Longhorn nation and do what they are told in the future?

TCU and TT are probably providing a tutorial to UH as we speak.... "So when the UT AD walks in, make sure you always stand and do not sit down till AD Perrin says it is ok. Whenever AD Perrin finishes speaking make sure you always scream "hook em horns." If asked a questioned do not make eye contact and the appropriate response is always "what would you do, sir?" And, above all else, always vote the way UT tells you to...you going to do fine in the Big12, welcome aboard Houston."
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On the mark, Dwalks, but you forgot TCU's alleged pub crawl with the longhorns. Worked like a charm!
 
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
 
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CougarRed said:
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
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Football is a distant second to money. Houston doesn't add any money to the B12 pile. The value of other schools is prospective, but we know for a fact that any school in Texas adds nothing to the B12. Heck, losing A&M didn't cost them a cent.
 
SubbaBub said:
Football is a distant second to money. Houston doesn't add any money to the B12 pile. The value of other schools is prospective, but we know for a fact that any school in Texas adds nothing to the B12. Heck, losing A&M didn't cost them a cent.
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It seems to me it may have cost UT way more than they ever expected.
 
CougarRed said:
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
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If the Pac12 were picking, it would take Kansas ahead of Ok State or Texas Tech. #1 school in Kansas is better than #2 in Oklahoma or #N in Texas. They'd also take Kansas ahead of Utah.

But, presumably Oklahoma and Texas were looking out for their in-state colleagues. And Kansas wasn't available when Utah was.
 
We P5 guys do tend to have the glib righteousness of the Saved passing judgement on the Damned.
 
whaler11 said:
You'd think y'all would have something better to do.

If UConn gets invited somewhere I can't imagine hanging out on a FIU board pi**ing on them.
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No, but we may need to hold a telethon to pay for the grief counseling that is going to be required for the Cuse board.
 
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Ldandy said:
UT's End Game was always pretty transparent to me. Its 1)Preserve The LHN at all cost. 2)Try not to look like your end game is preserving The LHN at all cost. I get it. They have something that is unique and valuable and they are not interested in giving that all up just so that KSU or WVU can come up in the world George Jefferson Style. The insane-o contract that ESPN gifted them expires long after the current Big 12 GOR will have come and gone. The Big 12 will either not expand(UT's preference) or take 2 football names that look like quality wins on a team's schedule when it comes playoff time. The Big 12 will make a lot of money for another few years, and then it's time to turn on the lights because its last call. Texas will be great. OU probably ok. KU? That is a good question. The rest of the conference? I hope you saved your money.
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preserving the LHN now is great for UT. but the network isn't going to fly in the BIG or ACC (or even the PAC). off the top of my head, i don't know when the Big 12's TV rights end vs the LHN contract, but if it's much sooner, it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
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CougarRed said:
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
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Most of the hate is because of people like you.
 
pj said:
If the Pac12 were picking, it would take Kansas ahead of Ok State or Texas Tech. #1 school in Kansas is better than #2 in Oklahoma or #N in Texas. They'd also take Kansas ahead of Utah.

But, presumably Oklahoma and Texas were looking out for their in-state colleagues. And Kansas wasn't available when Utah was.
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you mean the state legislature for both OK and TX were looking out for their other state assets.
 
CougarRed said:
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
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I do not think anyone on the BY has been hating on UH. Overall I think most UConn fans think Houston is an up and coming program who could successfully perform at a P5 level if given an opportunity. If TCU and Baylor were able to build successful programs then there is no reason UH could not do the same thing.

All that said, football realignment is not about football...it is about money and population zones. The fact you keep trying to play the "football drives power football realignment" card shows a misunderstanding of UH's strength and weaknesses. If the Big12 expands it because they are trying to close the financial gap between the SEC/BIG which means additions need to add money. Adding a 5th program in a state the Big12 already owns will not generate the kind of money an addition in a new region can generate. Houston would be a much more attractive candidate to the PAC or ACC. Its money...not football.

BTW...I am not going to insult UH football but, even if we argued on pure football grounds, UH is not the powerhouse you are claiming them to be. Since 2000 (16 season) UH has only finished the final poll ranked twice (2011 and 2015). During that same period UH has more losing seasons than seasons they finished ranked. UH football greatest claim to fame is that they identified and hired two coaches who went on to further success at another P5 Texas school (Briles - Baylor, Sumner -TA&M.) Bottom line - over the last 15 years UH football has been very inconsistent with some periods of success. Unfortunately as soon as UH football has had success its coach leaves and the program needs to rebuild. If I was a Houston fan I'd enjoy this moment cause history will likely repeat itself when Herman leaves next year.

I understand the pressure to retain Herman means finding a P5 seat now for Houston but one great season can not completely change the narrative. ..personally I hope it works out for UH but only after UConn has a seat.
 
CougarRed said:
I love all the Houston hate from a school with 0 Top 25 football finishes.

Look, UConn hoops is awesome. But let's not forget Kansas was left on its own (talking to the Big East) when Nebraska was heading to the Big 10 and the Pac 12 was talking to UT, Tech, A&M, Colo, OU and Ok St.

Point being, a great basketball tradition is a distant second to football when it comes to power conference realignment.
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Hate would be going to your board and constantly talking shirt. Like you do here.
 
noeynox said:
Hate would be going to your board and constantly talking shirt. Like you do here.
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The guy is crowing about Houston's 1 year accomplishments in football on the board of a team that beat them in football!!!

What does it say about Houston that in their best season ever they lost to a team that the poster describes as sucky?

Obviously, logic is not his strong suit.
 
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