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UConnJim said:
I think the next issue that Notre Dame may face is playing top P2 schools in the future. Why? The P2 has consolidated most of the top football schools and the playoffs are now more reachable than before, but we aren't sure yet what kind of W/L records will make the playoffs. Why play Notre Dame and risk not making the playoffs for an out of conference game? Already, USC is thinking about continuing their annual rivalry with Notre Dame with the move to the Big 10.
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Good I hope no big2 schools agree to play them
 
UConnJim said:
I think the next issue that Notre Dame may face is playing top P2 schools in the future. Why? The P2 has consolidated most of the top football schools and the playoffs are now more reachable than before, but we aren't sure yet what kind of W/L records will make the playoffs. Why play Notre Dame and risk not making the playoffs for an out of conference game? Already, USC is thinking about continuing their annual rivalry with Notre Dame with the move to the Big 10.
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I have a tendency to think this way as well, at least in a general sense. Yet, I think the USC-ND game will persist. It seems to be the biggest game for each school and, with ND and the Big10’s partnerships with NBC, I think there will be pressure to keep the rivalry going.
 
dayooper said:
I have a tendency to think this way as well, at least in a general sense. Yet, I think the USC-ND game will persist. It seems to be the biggest game for each school and, with ND and the Big10’s partnerships with NBC, I think there will be pressure to keep the rivalry going.
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If USC misses the playoffs because they lost to Notre Dame in the last game of this season, I don't think USC will be very happy.
 
USC-ND has been going on for more than a century and began when many of the name schools local to each refused to play small, private colleges. That will go on indefinitely. I would wager heavily that ND-Michigan St will continue at a frequency similar to what it has been (not every year, but most) as this predates MSU's inclusion in the B1G.

ND will be able to land home and homes with more than half of the remaining SEC/B1G schools any time they ask. ND's scheduling will be somewhat dependent on how many P-2 schools they would be willing to play every year (especially with their commitment to a partial ACC schedule).

ND will give up being an independent when it becomes impossible to make the playoffs as an independent. Until then football will be as it always has been.
 
UConnJim said:
If USC misses the playoffs because they lost to Notre Dame in the last game of this season, I don't think USC will be very happy.
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No, but if Michigan loses to OSU or vice versa and gets kicked out of the playoffs, those teams won’t be happy. They are choosing to play each other as the last game just like USC and ND are. Will it go away? Maybe, but my guess is it won’t.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
USC-ND has been going on for more than a century and began when many of the name schools local to each refused to play small, private colleges. That will go on indefinitely. I would wager heavily that ND-Michigan St will continue at a frequency similar to what it has been (not every year, but most) as this predates MSU's inclusion in the B1G.

ND will be able to land home and homes with more than half of the remaining SEC/B1G schools any time they ask. ND's scheduling will be somewhat dependent on how many P-2 schools they would be willing to play every year (especially with their commitment to a partial ACC schedule).

ND will give up being an independent when it becomes impossible to make the playoffs as an independent. Until then football will be as it always has been.
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USC is already talking about ending the ND rivalry even though it has been going on for a long time. It just might not be an every year game. People thought Texas/Texas A&M would never not be played, or Pitt/WVU,... When only 4 teams made the playoffs, you had to be undefeated or 1 loss so you had to have an extraordinary season. Now, you probably can get in with 2 losses or even 3 which means you don't have to have a great season to get into the playoffs so schools may not want too many challenging out of conference games.
 
UConnJim said:
USC is already talking about ending the ND rivalry even though it has been going on for a long time. It just might not be an every year game. People thought Texas/Texas A&M would never not be played, or Pitt/WVU,... When only 4 teams made the playoffs, you had to be undefeated or 1 loss so you had to have an extraordinary season. Now, you probably can get in with 2 losses or even 3 which means you don't have to have a great season to get into the playoffs so schools may not want too many challenging out of conference games.
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I’m married to an Aggie, and we went to one of the last games against Texas at College Station. When A&M went to the SEC, Texas said that their schedule would not permit them to play A&M anymore. Times change, I guess.

With regard to USC, there are a couple of ways to look at this. Many are saying that if USC was in playoff position, and lose to Notre Dame, that coukd hurt their CFP chances. But the opposite is also true. Further with 12 teams in the CFP now, a loss to Notre Dame on Thanksgiving weekend might not be such a bad thing if they are in playoff position.
 
dayooper said:
No, but if Michigan loses to OSU or vice versa and gets kicked out of the playoffs, those teams won’t be happy. They are choosing to play each other as the last game just like USC and ND are. Will it go away? Maybe, but my guess is it won’t.
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If Michigan or Ohio State lose to the other and have 1 or 2 losses, they will still make the 12 team playoff. In the past, losing the Ohio St./Michigan game almost excluded you from the playoffs. Not anymore.
 
UConnJim said:
If Michigan or Ohio State lose to the other and have 1 or 2 losses, they will still make the 12 team playoff. In the past, losing the Ohio St./Michigan game almost excluded you from the playoffs. Not anymore.
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Yeah but they aren't going to think like that it they miss. And you know the way committees think. They'll think team X played themselves out. It's only the high elite that won't worry about their schedule. If it was 24 teams I think most schools wouldn't care anymore
 
dayooper said:
Even if the ACC doesn’t work for them anymore, I’m sure the Big East would love to welcome them back into the fold. They can stay football indie as long as they want, IMO.
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Only if they agree to a home and home with UConn football
Their Hockey’s in already the B1G
Do they actually play any other sports ?
i forgot Women’s basketball is decent .
Besides that what is they actually bring to the Big East
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Only if they agree to a home and home with UConn football
Their Hockey’s in already the B1G
Do they actually play any other sports ?
i forgot Women’s basketball is decent .
Besides that what is they actually bring to the Big East
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Notre Dame
Men's Soccer Runner Up to Clemson in 2023, National Champions in 2013
Women's Soccer National Champions 2010
Men's Lacrosse National Champions 2024, 2023, Runner Up 2014
 
Kolumbo said:
Notre Dame
Men's Soccer Runner Up to Clemson in 2023, National Champions in 2013
Women's Soccer National Champions 2010
Men's Lacrosse National Champions 2024, 2023, Runner Up 2014
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A national name. Outside of the NE, no one really knows who is on the Big East. They know UConn and Villanova. If they know their history, people might remember when Georgetown was good. If the Big East wants to be seen more nationally, a name like Notre Dame will help. The soccer and lacrosse helps as well.
 
dayooper said:
A national name. Outside of the NE, no one really knows who is on the Big East. They know UConn and Villanova. If they know their history, people might remember when Georgetown was good. If the Big East wants to be seen more nationally, a name like Notre Dame will help. The soccer and lacrosse helps as well.
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Although Notre Dame's addition to the Big East would be big, that story's already been written in history. Going back to the Big East was perhaps presdestined for UConn to help the school escape desolation/isolation in AAC, lick its wounds, and get its basketball programs back to what they are now. Notre Dame does not feel the same pressure nor need to do so. ND likes its loose affiliation with "higher" minded universities in the ACC, at least until the ACC dismantles forcing the domers to look elsewhere. ND does not simply walk back into Mordor Big East. It is folly. Better to put energy into more unrealistic scenarios such as UConn to the BIG or winning a Hennessey Venom GT or my new favorite, Elon Musk funding our NIL program.
 
dayooper said:
A national name. Outside of the NE, no one really knows who is on the Big East. They know UConn and Villanova. If they know their history, people might remember when Georgetown was good. If the Big East wants to be seen more nationally, a name like Notre Dame will help. The soccer and lacrosse helps as well.
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Are you saying B1G fans aren't very familiar with the Big East? I have to believe B1G fans and especially basketball fans are very familiar with our conference since our programs are in the same footprint. From UConn and Villanova out to Marquette and Creighton. Notre Dame would help but I don't see it rejoining unless there were some type of Big East/ACC mashup. SEC country may not be as familiar but that's to be expected. :cool:
 
Kolumbo said:
Are you saying B1G fans aren't very familiar with the Big East? I have to believe B1G fans and especially basketball fans are very familiar with our conference since our programs are in the same footprint. From UConn and Villanova out to Marquette and Creighton. Notre Dame would help but I don't see it rejoining unless there were some type of Big East/ACC mashup. SEC country may not be as familiar but that's to be expected. :cool:
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Yeah, that’s what I’m daying, outside of UConn and Villanova. Marquette really doesn’t have any attraction outside of Milwaukee. Everyone knows UConn for their elite basketball programs and Villanova for various reasons (stupid 2018 NC game for me) but the other schools just don’t register.

I’m not saying the Big East is a bad conference, I think it’s the opposite, a great conference, the only non football conference that even remotely registers outside of their region. The success of UConn and Villanova make sure of that. I believe ND would help get you more eyeballs on a national level and a better contract. Most fans go by what they recognize and ND is one of the most recognizable brands in the sport.
 
KryHavok said:
Although Notre Dame's addition to the Big East would be big, that story's already been written in history. Going back to the Big East was perhaps predestined for UConn to help the school escape desolation/isolation in AAC, lick its wounds, and get its basketball programs back to what they are now. Notre Dame does not feel the same pressure nor need to do so. ND likes its loose affiliation with "higher" minded universities in the ACC, at least until the ACC dismantles forcing the domers to look elsewhere. ND does not simply walk back into Mordor Big East. It is folly. Better to put energy into more unrealistic scenarios such as UConn to the BIG or winning a Hennessey Venom GT or my new favorite, Elon Musk funding our NIL program.
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The AAC wasn't the problem; coaching was. I'd imagine that, if Hurley had been at the reigns during UConn's time in the AAC, its basketball program would have done just fine. But suppose I'm wrong. Suppose UConn's basketball success is indeed due to its "predestined" NBE affiliation. How is that kinship with the NBE going to lift UConn football out of its desolation/isolation?
 
Kolumbo said:
Notre Dame
Men's Soccer Runner Up to Clemson in 2023, National Champions in 2013
Women's Soccer National Champions 2010
Men's Lacrosse National Champions 2024, 2023, Runner Up 2014
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Minor sports don't make much of o dent...

Who knows, or really cares..

That UNC won the Field Hockey NC in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022. 2023

It's football...

Since 2020...The ACC has won 21 NC's in the minor sports...who cares ? Football, football, football, and basketball is what counts.
 
billybud said:
Minor sports don't make much of o dent...

Who knows, or really cares..

That UNC won the Field Hockey NC in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022. 2023

It's football...

Since 2020...The ACC has won 21 NC's in the minor sports...who cares ? Football, football, football, and basketball is what counts.
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He specifically asked about ND outside of football and what ND would bring to the Big East table. The Big East cares. A Catholic U, National Brand, and Basketball round out the pluses. Yes basketball. I think ND has fallen victim to the ACC curse.
 
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