Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Kolumbo]

This has been in the back of my mind since it started. Why would a conference want to take in two teams that are willing sue the buhjeesus out of their conference because they "feel like" they've been slighted? It's like someone saying "I divorced them for every red cent I could, took the house, took the kids, the dog AND the truck!!! Boy, looking around, is it me or has the dating scene really dried up now a days...?"

Why? Because those two conferences are the reason FSU filed the lawsuit in the first place. FSU isn't trying to get every red cent. It's more like trying to divorce your wife without paying criminal amounts of alimony so you can marry someone else. That someone else isn't going to say "hold on, this guy really wants me but is willing to divorce his wife so he can marry me, that's a red flag." I don't buy it. One of them would take FSU if FSU becomes available.

 

[noeynox]

The FSU fanboys here have made wish nothing but the worst for FSU.

 

[hank970]

There are losers in Conference Realignment, no doubt. UConn is the poster child for that. As it turns out, billybud does fit right in here on the Conference Realignment board.

Didn't UConn opt for the NBE and football independence voluntarily after the defections of WVU to the B12 and Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville to the ACC?

 

[Exit 4]

While the "good partner" aspect will make the most noise here, I think the real reason is financial. If the B1G and SEC were getting boku dollars for another round of expansion they probably would have a different message. This release through McMurphy suggests the additional media money is not there and so there is nothing to talk about.

Gonna be fascinating if the ACC rolls back the rumored divorce settlement that many thought might coming down the chute this summer. If FL St and Clemson have no place to go....then perhaps the ACC decides to keep fighting them.

Looking at Josh Pate, just because lawyers draft documents doesnt mean things will happen. Most all legal paper goes in the dustbin.

 

[Hamms30]

Why? Because those two conferences are the reason FSU filed the lawsuit in the first place. FSU isn't trying to get every red cent. It's more like trying to divorce your wife without paying criminal amounts of alimony so you can marry someone else. That someone else isn't going to say "hold on, this guy really wants me but is willing to divorce his wife so he can marry me, that's a red flag." I don't buy it. One of them would take FSU if FSU becomes available.

Not if the money store is closed.

 

[KryHavok]

Maybe we can schedule some games against FSU and Clemson when they are independents?

 

[GoConn]

Im sorry but I am laughing so hard at FSU desperately leaving the ACC and no one even wants them. Big 12 sure, but thats a lateral, probably an even lower move than current ACC.

 

[Kolumbo]

Not if the money store is closed.

that's a highly unlikely "if" given how valuable FSU football is to television. It would be a huge coup for the Big 12 to bag FSU and Clemson. Make the Big 12 part of the P3.

 

[JMick]

Im sorry but I am laughing so hard at FSU desperately leaving the ACC and no one even wants them. Big 12 sure, but thats a lateral, probably an even lower move than current ACC.

It's amusing because clearly they want to be in the SEC or B1G but it's not exactly a lateral move for football and probably won't be from a dollars perspective. The Big XII with Clemson and FSU would clearly be a stronger football conference than the ACC is with Clemson and FSU. They'd likely get more money for the conference, too.

As always it comes down to what the networks want. If ESPN wants the ACC around, then they won't pay the SEC more for taking Clemson and FSU. If they don't want the ACC around anymore then they'll end up in the SEC.

And if Fox can get FSU and Clemson cheaper by blocking their B1G invite and forcing them to the Big XII, it would hurt the ACC and also give them more potential schools to fill into the B1G and Big XII

 

[Exit 4]

It's amusing because clearly they want to be in the SEC or B1G but it's not exactly a lateral move for football and probably won't be from a dollars perspective. The Big XII with Clemson and FSU would clearly be a stronger football conference than the ACC is with Clemson and FSU. They'd likely get more money for the conference, too.

As always it comes down to what the networks want. If ESPN wants the ACC around, then they won't pay the SEC more for taking Clemson and FSU. If they don't want the ACC around anymore then they'll end up in the SEC.

And if Fox can get FSU and Clemson cheaper by blocking their B1G invite and forcing them to the Big XII, it would hurt the ACC and also give them more potential schools to fill into the B1G and Big XII

bingo and bingo

 

[ZooCougar]

It's amusing because clearly they want to be in the SEC or B1G but it's not exactly a lateral move for football and probably won't be from a dollars perspective. The Big XII with Clemson and FSU would clearly be a stronger football conference than the ACC is with Clemson and FSU. They'd likely get more money for the conference, too.

As always it comes down to what the networks want. If ESPN wants the ACC around, then they won't pay the SEC more for taking Clemson and FSU. If they don't want the ACC around anymore then they'll end up in the SEC.

And if Fox can get FSU and Clemson cheaper by blocking their B1G invite and forcing them to the Big XII, it would hurt the ACC and also give them more potential schools to fill into the B1G and Big XII

Anyone here that still thinks the Big 12 will be a lateral move with Clemson and FSU joining is 100% out to lunch.

The ACC would effectively begin to disintegrate.

The thing is all the FSU/Clem to the Big 12 stuff last week turned out to be speculative hogwash.

 

[AllHusky]

Past performance doesn't guarantee future results but it is a helluva psychological barrier to overcome when a person leaves one relationship and is looking to enter a new one.

Oooh Chin,
Mixing those metaphors like a drunk Bartender. Love it!!

 

[huskymedic]

 

[ZooCougar]

FSU is just throwing a tantrum. LOL Billybud and the Tallahassee Trash.

 

[Kolumbo]

I'd be convinced the B1G is not interested in FSU if the B1G made some type of commitment to the ACC, perhaps an "Alliance" of some sort.

 

[ScottVib]

FSU is looking at this move to separate themselves from UCF and get their revenues closer to be able to compete with Florida, Alabama, etc.

They’re not making a move just for a bit more money… they’re envisioning an invite at something close to a full share or some other way to get close to the money made in the P2. Even with FSU and Clemson the Big XII won’t get there.

If FSU goes to the Big XII they’ll talk about increased revenue to save face due to a relationship that they torched. I think it’s more likely they’re looking at a partial share membership to the Big Ten or SEC (which would be the first partial share membership in the SEC). Clemson’s participation is a Hail Mary to catch on as a +1 to whatever deal FSU takes. They know if their return to above average/good from the elite run Dabo had them on happens, their ceiling becomes whatever conference below the P2 has the higher payout (meaning if FSU goes Big XII that it’s still the best they were going to get).

 

[uconndogs]

It could very well be that FSU and the BiG and SEC are beginning their respective negotiating ploys. FSU using the B12 as leverage with the BiG and SEC. In turn, the BiG and SEC setting the stage for partial shares. Who knows?

That all said, the thought that FSU and Clemson may have overplayed their respective hands makes me giddy. I mean.......how friggin great would that be!

Serves FSU right given last season's Orange Bowl......

 

[AllHusky]

It could very well be that FSU and the BiG and SEC are beginning their respective negotiating ploys. FSU using the B12 as leverage with the BiG and SEC. In turn, the BiG and SEC setting the stage for partial shares. Who knows?

That all said, the thought that FSU and Clemson may have overplayed their respective hands makes me giddy. I mean.......how friggin great would that be!

Serves FSU right given last season's Orange Bowl......

What goes around come around!!

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I imagine that a large part of this is due to FSU & Clemson believing that they are far more desirable than they really are.

One thing that could transpire, which would be absolute poetic justice would be if their efforts do little more than make it easier for other schools to leave the ACC and those schools end up getting grbbed by the SEC/B1G. I'm guessing that at the moment they both believe that ND would be the only school that would be picked ahead of them, but in reality at a minimum UNC and UVA would be grabbed in a heartbeat.

One thing that shouldn't be minimized is that the SEC is still missing a presence in two southern (and eastern) states; Virginia & North Carolina. That alone may have some value to the SEC. I'm also confident that the overall academic stature and reputation (even with the no show classes at UNC) of UNC and UVA is very attractive to the B1G.

 

[uconndogs]

Oh, be still my heart!!!

UNC and Virginia leave and FSU and Clemson get stuck in a watered down ACC. Watching that might be better than sex.....

 

[freescooter]

I imagine that a large part of this is due to FSU & Clemson believing that they are far more desirable than they really are.

One thing that could transpire, which would be absolute poetic justice would be if their efforts do little more than make it easier for other schools to leave the ACC and those schools end up getting grbbed by the SEC/B1G. I'm guessing that at the moment they both believe that ND would be the only school that would be picked ahead of them, but in reality at a minimum UNC and UVA would be grabbed in a heartbeat.

One thing that shouldn't be minimized is that the SEC is still missing a presence in two southern (and eastern) states; Virginia & North Carolina. That alone may have some value to the SEC. I'm also confident that the overall academic stature and reputation (even with the no show classes at UNC) of UNC and UVA is very attractive to the B1G.

Put me in the camp that day UNC and Virginia are doubtful adds to either the BIG or the SEC. Neither one adds $60+ million of value. Neither is a football power. And the BIG doesn’t need Maryland 2.0. And the SEC doesn’t care about academics. The Big cares about about it, just not as much as they do football prowess. Bottom line is neither adds much value and so how much are members willing to reduce their take to add those 2? Looked at differently, if UNC and Virginia are so darned valuable in football why doesn’t the ACC just feature them in place of FSU and Clemson?

 

[UConnJim]

FSU is just throwing a tantrum. LOL Billybud and the Tallahassee Trash.

Don't believe everything you read. No conference is going to put it out there that they are trying to pry FSU and Clemson away from the ACC due to legal reasons. FSU and Clemson have to free themselves from the ACC before either the SEC or Big 10 would show interest. That said, I have never believed that the Big 10 has any interest in FSU.

 

[Kolumbo]

FSU is looking at this move to separate themselves from UCF and get their revenues closer to be able to compete with Florida, Alabama, etc.

They’re not making a move just for a bit more money… they’re envisioning an invite at something close to a full share or some other way to get close to the money made in the P2. Even with FSU and Clemson the Big XII won’t get there.

If FSU goes to the Big XII they’ll talk about increased revenue to save face due to a relationship that they torched. I think it’s more likely they’re looking at a partial share membership to the Big Ten or SEC (which would be the first partial share membership in the SEC). Clemson’s participation is a Hail Mary to catch on as a +1 to whatever deal FSU takes. They know if their return to above average/good from the elite run Dabo had them on happens, their ceiling becomes whatever conference below the P2 has the higher payout (meaning if FSU goes Big XII that it’s still the best they were going to get).

Let's say the unlikely were to happen and FSU & Clemson go XII. We know the revenue won't be close to B1G. The actual product on the field though. How close would or could XII be to B1G? Everyone likes to put the Cash before the Horse but if the actual performance is there, the rewards will come later. 4 programs in Texas and 2 in Florida. That's a lot of recruiting material for the rest of the conference. I think at that point they would be referred to as P3.

 

[UConnJim]

Put me in the camp that day UNC and Virginia are doubtful adds to either the BIG or the SEC. Neither one adds $60+ million of value. Neither is a football power. And the BIG doesn’t need Maryland 2.0. And the SEC doesn’t care about academics. The Big cares about about it, just not as much as they do football prowess. Bottom line is neither adds much value and so how much are members willing to reduce their take to add those 2? Looked at differently, if UNC and Virginia are so darned valuable in football why doesn’t the ACC just feature them in place of FSU and Clemson?

In the current cable bundled channel world, UNC and UVA are more valuable than $60 million. Why? The price for the BTN or SECN in an in-market state is ~$1.50 per subscriber. North Carolina probably has ~3 million cable subscribers so $1.50 x 3 million x 12 months = $54 million. Virginia is a little bit less due to a smaller number of cable subscribers. And, that is just for the conference network. So, UNC and UVA can be positive adds to either the Big 10 or SEC.