Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Chuck]

"It's pocket change"

It's not. They're broke. That $50M was a complete fiction.

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

Editing to add that the MAC deserves some credit here. Sac State won't make the league worse, and they just got more money than 2.5 years of their tv contract.

 

[John]

Am I, though? I noticed you avoided answering how being a plaintiff in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC could be disqualifying for ACC membership when two plaintiffs in that lawsuit are in fact ACC members.

Facts are facts.

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

 

[CL82]

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

But implicit in that explanation is the fact that being a member of the lawsuit didn't prevent them from joining the ACC, right?

 

[Fishy]

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

This is a school with literally no revenue. The guy said he had $50M in NIL ready to go....his total athletic donations are under $900,000 a year. His ticket sales are under $500,000 a year.

He loves announcing splashy partnerships like a $7.5M deal with a local tribe, but the fine print gets dicey....is $7.5M trading hands? Ehhh....it's valued at $7.5M, whatever that means.

The whole thing is an athletic Fyre Festivals.

 

[John]

But implicit in that explanation is the fact that being a member of the lawsuit didn't prevent them from joining the ACC, right?

let's agree to disagree so we can stop annoying the other users of the board.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

Did Clemson and Florida State sue the ACC? Are they still in the ACC?

 

[CL82]

let's agree to disagree so we can stop annoying the other users of the board.

Sure. There's not much point in it anyway. In the end facts are facts in trying to wordsmith around them is a pointless exercise.

 

[ZooCougar]

Did Clemson and Florida State sue the ACC? Are they still in the ACC?

The master of false equivalence and bad faith arguments.

 

[ZooCougar]

Sure. There's not much point in it anyway. In the end facts are facts in trying to wordsmith around them is a pointless exercise.

whatever it takes to make you feel better.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is a school with literally no revenue. The guy said he had $50M in NIL ready to go....his total athletic donations are under $900,000 a year. His ticket sales are under $500,000 a year.

He loves announcing splashy partnerships like a $7.5M deal with a local tribe, but the fine print gets dicey....is $7.5M trading hands? Ehhh....it's valued at $7.5M, whatever that means.

The whole thing is an athletic Fyre Festivals.

Did you see that Sac State estimates that MAC Football will have a $975M economic impact? Honestly I think this will end up as some sort of real estate scam.

 

[CL82]

Thanks for posting this. Hilarious.

You're welcome. Unsurprisingly, after all this discussion and an impressive amount of bluff and bluster, on your part, you are still unable to explain how if being a plaintiff in the big east lawsuit against the ACC disqualifies people from being a member of the ACC, two of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit are actually currently members of the ACC.

 

[Kolumbo]

"It's pocket change"

It's not. They're broke. That $50M was a complete fiction.

What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

Editing to add that the MAC deserves some credit here. Sac State won't make the league worse, and they just got more money than 2.5 years of their tv contract.

Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

I'm sure the finances are very bad initially but regarding the Cal State system, most people probably think of SDSU and Fresno because of their athletics. This brings more attention to Sacramento. Luke Wood seems optimistic

 

[JwittersPAC]

Based on recent reports,
several state universities and systems are currently grappling with budget deficits or required spending cuts in excess of $109 million due to factors such as declining enrollment, inflation, and reduced state funding.
Here are the state universities and systems with budget deficits or planned cuts exceeding $109 million:

• California State University (System): As of late 2024, the CSU system has faced a potential budget deficit approaching $500 million, leading to significant cost-cutting measures, including tuition increases.
• Pennsylvania State University: Penn State reported a general funds budget deficit of $140 million in early 2024, forcing the university to seek major budget reductions.
• University of Arizona: The university engaged in a plan to fix a deficit that grew to over $110 million in the 2023-2024 period, which included using reserves, staff layoffs, and cuts to athletic departments.
• Michigan State University: In May 2025, MSU announced plans for over $150 million in budget cuts over the next two years, driven by rising costs and financial challenges.
• University of Minnesota: The university faced a $115 million shortfall in 2023, caused by factors including reduced federal funding and inflation.
• Connecticut State Colleges & Universities (System): The system faced a projected deficit of $109 million for the 2023-2024 fiscal year, which threatened to increase to over $225 million in the following year.
• Stony Brook University (SUNY): In 2020, reports indicated the university was facing a $109 million deficit, forcing them to draw down on reserves.

• What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit
  
  
  Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

 

[ZooCougar]

You're welcome. Unsurprisingly, after all this discussion and an impressive amount of bluff and bluster, on your part, you are still unable to explain how if being a plaintiff in the big east lawsuit against the ACC disqualifies people from being a member of the ACC, two of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit are actually currently members of the ACC.

I’ll let you and your brother Nelson workshop this. thx

 

[Fishy]

What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit


Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

I'm sure the finances are very bad initially but regarding the Cal State system, most people probably think of SDSU and Fresno because of their athletics. This brings more attention to Sacramento. Luke Wood seems optimistic

Question for the group -

How do I put together an answer for someone who has not even the beginnings of a clue as to what he's talking about without insulting him?

I stared at his response for about three minutes and I simply could not find a way.

 

[Fishy]

Did you see that Sac State estimates that MAC Football will have a $975M economic impact? Honestly I think this will end up as some sort of real estate scam.

Nearly a billion dollars of impact in five years.

They need to be in the Big Ten.

 

[CL82]

I’ll let you and your brother Nelson workshop this. thx

No need. It's pretty self evident that being a petitioner in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC didn't stop Pittsburgh or Virginia Tech from becoming members. I suspect that's true even for people who who dance around the issue rather than acknowledging that they were mistaken.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Question for the group -

How do I put together an answer for someone who has not even the beginnings of a clue as to what he's talking about without insulting him?

I stared at his response for about three minutes and I simply could not find a way.

OK,

Who are you and what have you done to Fishy?

 

[Kolumbo]

Question for the group -

How do I put together an answer for someone who has not even the beginnings of a clue as to what he's talking about without insulting him?

I stared at his response for about three minutes and I simply could not find a way.

Real nice. Here's a tip. Try starting by explaining how Sac State is spending all this money if the system is broke. New stadium or renovations - revenue bonds. Or include a link to an article citing a year-old quote by President Wood you shared. Of course things have changed since March 2025, including reduced budget cuts in Cali. Not that I need to defend anything Cali does but I think bringing FBS football programs to play in Sacramento will have some significant economic impact.

‘This university is a disaster’ Everything we know about Sac State’s budget crisis

Sac State will not be merging colleges just yet, instead implementing cost-saving measures to resolve its budget crisis. Other concerns regarding faculty lay-offs, athletics, research funding and DEI programs were discussed.

statehornet.com

Students present their concerns to President Luke Wood at town hall

At the March 4 President’s Forum, Sac State President Luke Wood responded to students’ concerns about the administration’s approach to recent attacks on trans and immigrant communities, inclusivity efforts, AI usage, accessibility challenges and budget issues.

statehornet.com

 

[Kolumbo]

Based on recent reports,
several state universities and systems are currently grappling with budget deficits or required spending cuts in excess of $109 million due to factors such as declining enrollment, inflation, and reduced state funding.
Here are the state universities and systems with budget deficits or planned cuts exceeding $109 million:

• California State University (System): As of late 2024, the CSU system has faced a potential budget deficit approaching $500 million, leading to significant cost-cutting measures, including tuition increases.
• Pennsylvania State University: Penn State reported a general funds budget deficit of $140 million in early 2024, forcing the university to seek major budget reductions.
• University of Arizona: The university engaged in a plan to fix a deficit that grew to over $110 million in the 2023-2024 period, which included using reserves, staff layoffs, and cuts to athletic departments.
• Michigan State University: In May 2025, MSU announced plans for over $150 million in budget cuts over the next two years, driven by rising costs and financial challenges.
• University of Minnesota: The university faced a $115 million shortfall in 2023, caused by factors including reduced federal funding and inflation.
• Connecticut State Colleges & Universities (System): The system faced a projected deficit of $109 million for the 2023-2024 fiscal year, which threatened to increase to over $225 million in the following year.
• Stony Brook University (SUNY): In 2020, reports indicated the university was facing a $109 million deficit, forcing them to draw down on reserves.

And those are just the schools with amounts greater than $109 million. UConn is also on the deficit list. "Broke" doesn't = non-operational. Sacramento is just a portion of their total and has 30k students. It's not like the school is going to close its doors. It seems Californisbad State's deficit is much greater than $500 million by now and that is across 22 campuses.

 

[ZooCougar]

No need. It's pretty self evident that being a petitioner in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC didn't stop Pittsburgh or Virginia Tech from becoming members. I suspect that's true even for people who who dance around the issue rather than acknowledging that they were mistaken.

You're not mad though.

 

[UConnJim]

You have been wrong on this issue for 23 years. BCU didn't want us in the ACC. We could have bought every ACC President coke and hookers every day for the last 23 years, and we would not be in the ACC. We needed to break BCU, not kiss their butt. We tried asking nicely for the last 13 years after our co-plaintiffs were all invited to other leagues. It failed.

My sources at BC told me they supported UConn to the ACC when they took Louisville instead because Clemson and FSU wanted them instead of UConn and the other schools fell in line.

 

[buddy]

My sources at BC told me they supported UConn to the ACC when they took Louisville instead because Clemson and FSU wanted them instead of UConn and the other schools fell in line.

BC and ESPN are the devil.

 

[John]

My sources at BC told me they supported UConn to the ACC when they took Louisville instead because Clemson and FSU wanted them instead of UConn and the other schools fell in line.

Did you get the Dee-Luxe wash n wax?

 

[ZooCougar]

My sources at BC told me they supported UConn to the ACC when they took Louisville instead because Clemson and FSU wanted them instead of UConn and the other schools fell in line.

 

[CL82]

You're not mad though.

Lol, why would I be? It's kind of entertaining watching you get all salty trying to defend a position that's literally undefendable.

 

[John]

Lol, why would I be? It's kind of entertaining watching you get all salty trying to defend a position that's literally undefendable.

I'm right because I said so; always a winning strategy.

 

[CL82]

I'm right because I said so; always a winning strategy.

Often not, which is why you're still failing away on this. It's probably a better approach just to state the facts, and let people draw their own conclusions.

As an example, in this thread people have asserted that being a plaintiff in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC somehow disqualifies a school from ever joining the ACC. I've pointed out the fact that both Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech were in fact, plaintiffs in that lawsuit and are in fact members of the ACC. Those facts show that the original premise was wrong. Yet, astonishingly, people are still flailing away.

Honestly, it surprises me that a couple of posters are so upset about it. But in the end, having hurt feelings, doesn't change the facts.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The master of false equivalence and bad faith arguments.

Says the guy who posted a link to an article that repudiates the entire case you are making in this thread.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit


Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

I'm sure the finances are very bad initially but regarding the Cal State system, most people probably think of SDSU and Fresno because of their athletics. This brings more attention to Sacramento. Luke Wood seems optimistic

Conceptionally, upgrading seems like a terrible idea for Sacramento State, but it seems like a bad idea for every school. I don't know why the entire G5 doesn't just get off the hamster wheel and create a new level that is more cost efficient. What do they know that we don't?