Jalen Carey

[champs99and04]

Waiters has had a far more successful career than either Lamb or Bazz. Waiters has only had 1 good season but Lamb has had maybe 2 good months and Bazz 2 good games.

Making the NBA in and of itself is a huge plus for the program. Who is Villes top 1 or 2 in the NBA? Rozier? Kansas? Chalmers?

Am I wrong in saying that there is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Shabazz is not an NBA caliber player? I mean, I think he's a better basketball player than some of the guys in the NBA, if that makes sense. He's just not going to be very productive unless it's a circus show in game 81 or 82 where he's suddenly a top option. I'd bet he could go to a tanking team and put up decent numbers, but it's going to be tough to make it as a backup point guard when you're a 37% career shooter with an assist to turnover ratio below 2.

But yeah, even Duke. You've got Kyrie who was there for two weeks and then you have to go all the way back to Redick. Rivers and Seth Curry aren't anything to write home about. It's really hard to just be on an NBA roster, to actually make a dent in that league you have to be pretty incredible at basketball and there's no coach who is going to make that happen.

 

[mauconnfan]

Jalen Carey thread is a Cuse history in guards now. Damn the Boneyard is the best!

 

[Walker11]

Am I wrong in saying that there is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Shabazz is not an NBA caliber player? I mean, I think he's a better basketball player than some of the guys in the NBA, if that makes sense. He's just not going to be very productive unless it's a circus show in game 81 or 82 where he's suddenly a top option. I'd bet he could go to a tanking team and put up decent numbers, but it's going to be tough to make it as a backup point guard when you're a 37% career shooter with an assist to turnover ratio below 2.

But yeah, even Duke. You've got Kyrie who was there for two weeks and then you have to go all the way back to Redick. Rivers and Seth Curry aren't anything to write home about. It's really hard to just be on an NBA roster, to actually make a dent in that league you have to be pretty incredible at basketball and there's no coach who is going to make that happen.

He is an NBA caliber player because he is in the NBA and has had contracts picked up for 2 additional seasons. Thats really the only way to judge this. There are definitely guys outside the NBA who are better than him. The NBA is a weird place in that regard. There is very little that separates the guys on the bottom of the NBA totem pole from the best D Leaguers and best American Euros - it comes down to fit and opportunity and luck. Shabazz is in a great place for himself right now. It will come down to his shooting. If he shoots like he did last year, he is probably a 3rd PG, if he shoots better, he can probably be a capable backup and if he shoots worse, he will probably get dropped.

 

[the Q]

He's had exactly one half of a good season in the NBA. I have no problem considering Waiters a success story for them (he was the 31st ranked recruit who went #4 in the draft), but if that's your definition then you might as well throw Michael Carter-Williams in there as well.

Kemba is better than both of them, but we're probably going to have a tough time winning these arguments. Whether it's their fault or not, the staff has whiffed on turning a few highly regarded guards into pros. Calhoun, Purvis, and Hamilton all fell short of the first round, Adams is almost 22 and does not appear to be anywhere near any draft boards, and whatever legend Shabazz carried with him as just about fizzled out.

I have no doubts about Ollie's ability to develop guards. They're going to have a tough time winning the battle of perception, though, especially when Kemba and Bazz will both be seen as Calhoun players. Young coaches rarely get the benefit of the doubt on these matters.

It's tough because 2 out of those 3 were not. NBA level athletes and the third is pg side, but couldn't dribble almost at all and had the most bizarre habit stepping out of bounds on multiple drives, at a rate I don't think I've ever seen.

Not to mention sometimes recruiting services are just wrong and not indicative of NBA potential.

 

[Danzz]

You're creating a false equivalency here.

Uconn has every right to pride themselves on players that developed in the program, and under the head coach.

Chillious PERSONALLY will use his connections to Fultz to recruit, but I'm guessing we won't have Fultz all over our marketing, unlike Rutgers using Bazz and co.

Hobbes could PERSONALLY use uconn players history to recruit. And it shouldn't go beyond that

Cant imagine Hobbs developing guards based upon his own play. The man brought the ball down then turned and played with his back to the basket. He may not have sucked but he was close. Giscomb with his own faults should have started on those teams but Perno didn't like him. Hobbs was awful.

 

[husky429]

Cant imagine Hobbs developing guards based upon his own play. The man brought the ball down then turned and played with his back to the basket. He may not have sucked but he was close. Giscomb with his own faults should have started on those teams but Perno didn't like him. Hobbs was awful.

How you are as a player has less to do with how you are as a coach than people think.

One of the reasons why I think its ridiculous we think we need a former big man to be a bigs coach. Doesn't matter as long as we get results

 

[superjohn]

Am I wrong in saying that there is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Shabazz is not an NBA caliber player? I mean, I think he's a better basketball player than some of the guys in the NBA, if that makes sense. He's just not going to be very productive unless it's a circus show in game 81 or 82 where he's suddenly a top option. I'd bet he could go to a tanking team and put up decent numbers, but it's going to be tough to make it as a backup point guard when you're a 37% career shooter with an assist to turnover ratio below 2.

But yeah, even Duke. You've got Kyrie who was there for two weeks and then you have to go all the way back to Redick. Rivers and Seth Curry aren't anything to write home about. It's really hard to just be on an NBA roster, to actually make a dent in that league you have to be pretty incredible at basketball and there's no coach who is going to make that happen.

This is a new one, the guy who plays in the NBA isn't an NBA caliber player.

 

[upstater]

Hobbs singlehandedly defeated Patrick Ewing one game.

 

[Fishy]

Am I wrong in saying that there is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Shabazz is not an NBA caliber player? I mean, I think he's a better basketball player than some of the guys in the NBA, if that makes sense.

I assure you that you are making no sense whatsoever.

 

[champs99and04]

This is a new one, the guy who plays in the NBA isn't an NBA caliber player.

I assure you that you are making no sense whatsoever.

I simply stated that there was a lot of evidence to suggest he is not an NBA caliber player. And there is. That doesn't mean there isn't a counter case.

Ever wonder why certain guys are better college players than pros? Age obviously plays a role, but it's also about skill sets. Small, high usage guards are going to see a bigger discrepancy between their college and pro outputs than bigger, athletic players. There is a reason you would rather have Wesley Matthews or Danny Green on your NBA team than Shabazz Napier even though Napier might be more valuable in a pickup game. Being able to create your own shot is the most important skill in basketball, but the players who can do that - and declare for the draft on the basis of being able to do that - are entering a much more saturated job market than those who defend and shoot.

In basketball, value tends to reciprocate as talent increases.

 

[pj]

I simply stated that there was a lot of evidence to suggest he is not an NBA caliber player. And there is. That doesn't mean there isn't a counter case.

Ever wonder why certain guys are better college players than pros? Age obviously plays a role, but it's also about skill sets. Small, high usage guards are going to see a bigger discrepancy between their college and pro outputs than bigger, athletic players. There is a reason you would rather have Wesley Matthews or Danny Green on your NBA team than Shabazz Napier even though Napier might be more valuable in a pickup game. Being able to create your own shot is the most important skill in basketball, but the players who can do that - and declare for the draft on the basis of being able to do that - are entering a much more saturated job market than those who defend and shoot.

In basketball, value tends to reciprocate as talent increases.

Shabazz's main problem is his height. Yeah, he could use a little more quickness and leaping ability, but John Stockton and Steve Nash were not the quickest or most explosive athletes, and Shabazz like them is a crafty player, though 2-4" shorter. He is still learning his craft and is turning into an excellent NBA player. Players with Shabazz's shooting ability, court vision, and craftiness can cross a narrow threshold between not good enough for the NBA and NBA starter or even all-star. He needs more experience playing with NBA level talents and against NBA level defenders to hone his NBA point guard game, but don't sell him short.

Ryan Boatright is a good comparison. Great player, has the same height problem, extremely quick and explosive leaper, but lacks the passing/court vision and craftiness. There's a reason Shabazz is in the NBA and Ryan is not. It's not athleticism -- it's learning to be a point guard who can create for others and respond to a defense creatively. I hope Ryan is developing his point guard skills overseas because if he does he can make the NBA too, and wouldn't that be a cause to celebrate.

 

[superjohn]

I simply stated that there was a lot of evidence to suggest he is not an NBA caliber player. And there is. That doesn't mean there isn't a counter case.

Ever wonder why certain guys are better college players than pros? Age obviously plays a role, but it's also about skill sets. Small, high usage guards are going to see a bigger discrepancy between their college and pro outputs than bigger, athletic players. There is a reason you would rather have Wesley Matthews or Danny Green on your NBA team than Shabazz Napier even though Napier might be more valuable in a pickup game. Being able to create your own shot is the most important skill in basketball, but the players who can do that - and declare for the draft on the basis of being able to do that - are entering a much more saturated job market than those who defend and shoot.

In basketball, value tends to reciprocate as talent increases.

Dude, what are you talking about? He plays in the NBA which makes him an NBA caliber player.

 

[husky429]

Dude, what are you talking about? He plays in the NBA which makes him an NBA caliber player.

Youd think that is a good measure of NBA caliber player. But not on the boneyard.

 

[Danzz]

Hobbs singlehandedly defeated Patrick Ewing one game.

He also made a big shot against Nova. Now try coming up with a third highlight.

 

[Sonofabeach]

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[Zionn]

Yeah - getting harder by the day

 

[UConnStats]

Arizona has Brandon Williams and is trending for Quinerly. Hopefully Carey values actually playing some lead guard.

Zona hasn't offered any other non committed shooting guards, so they are a huge threat otherwise.

 

[UCDaveD]

For a program that really hasn't done crap in 20 years, Arizona kills it on the recruiting trail.

 

[Matt1010]

For a program that really hasn't done crap in 20 years, Arizona kills it on the recruiting trail.

It's easy to say that given our championship success, but Zona makes the tournament almost every year and they have won multiple regular/conference championships with a few Elite Eight appearances with Miller. They've been a clear cut top 10 program since his arrival in '09.

 

[mauconnfan]

He also made a big shot against Nova. Now try coming up with a third highlight.

You mean "follow in/tap in" right? All 5'8 of him with the rebound.

 

[UCDaveD]

It's easy to say that given our championship success, but Zona makes the tournament almost every year and they have won multiple regular/conference championships with a few Elite Eight appearances with Miller. They've been a clear cut top 10 program since his arrival in '09.

Fair enough. Just seems like only reaching 1 Final 4 since their 1997 title is a MASSIVE underachievement for them.

 

[Fishy]

I simply stated that there was a lot of evidence to suggest he is not an NBA caliber player. And there is. That doesn't mean there isn't a counter case.

But he's in the NBA.

That's not a counterargument as much as it's a nuclear missile landing on your idea and vaporizing it into a red mist.

He's in the NBA. The world is not flat. The sun does rise in the east.

These are settled issues.

 

[champs99and04]

But he's in the NBA.

That's not a counterargument as much as it's a nuclear missile landing on your idea and vaporizing it into a red mist.

He's in the NBA. The world is not flat. The sun does rise in the east.

These are settled issues.

Come on. I'm pretty sure both you and @superjohn have said virtually the same thing in the past about guys who have played here not being UConn caliber. There are players in the NBA who aren't NBA caliber just like there are players at UConn who aren't UConn or AAC caliber. Unless you think the the market is perfect in its valuation of every single player or you choose to interpret what I'm saying in the most literal way possible, these statements shouldn't be too perplexing. It's hardly an original opinion - a source from the Heat was pretty much quoted verbatim as saying the same thing when they traded him.

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[Coach J]

Don't forget AJ Price and this guy Ollie also both crafted out long NBA careers for themselves as former UConn PGs.

 

[Walker11]

Come on. I'm pretty sure both you and @superjohn have said virtually the same thing in the past about guys who have played here not being UConn caliber. There are players in the NBA who aren't NBA caliber just like there are players at UConn who aren't UConn or AAC caliber. Unless you think the the market is perfect in its valuation of every single player or you choose to interpret what I'm saying in the most literal way possible, these statements shouldn't be too perplexing. It's hardly an original opinion - a source from the Heat was pretty much quoted verbatim as saying the same thing when they traded him.

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I think I started this whole thing but I do agree with you in a way. Instead of framing it as the lowest rung players not being NBA caliber, I think there are a lot of guys outside the NBA who are NBA caliber. There are surely guys in the NBA who won't be lasting past their original contract but Shabazz was on a team who looked at him as a player with an expiring contract and decided to pick him up for 2 more season and thats why I don't think your initial comment was correct.

 

[Huskymagic]

Honestly, college recruits remember guys that got drafted in the first round of the NBA draft and won a title: Shabazz did both. Jalen Carey knows who Shabazz is and wants to be in the same spot Bazz is or better.

We of course should be using any and all guards who were drafted in the first round of the NBA draft as selling points to Carey. That's Ollie's job. What a player does in the NBA is not an indictment of coaching, but of talent, desire, hunger, and ability. Our job as a a program is to win and get talented players like Jalen Carey drafted in the first round of the NBA draft. They are set for life once that happens and become recruiting selling points for the future. It's that simple.

Napier has been a fringe NBA player so far that part is true, but he improved this past year with Portland and if he keeps it up this year he will get another 3 year deal whether in Portland or somewhere as a backup in the NBA. Napier then should get his picture in the new practice facility.

#BAZZONEM

 

[Kmba2Rmemba]

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I won't lie, this got me thinking lol

 

[pj]

There are players in the NBA who aren't NBA caliber just like there are players at UConn who aren't UConn or AAC caliber.

But Shabazz isn't one of them.

Most of the players in the NBA who aren't NBA caliber, aren't NBA caliber yet, but the NBA brass believe in their future enough to give them a spot and help them develop. Shabazz was one of those guys his first few years in the league. Now he's a true NBA caliber player.

 

[UConnStats]

Some good Carey news is that here is a lot of Noah Locke to Kansas talk, and they've also been favorites for Quentin Grimes. If those 2 choose Kansas, it would be hard to imagine a Carey having interest there anymore.

 

[QDOG5]

Let's define NBA caliber player. I'll start with when a player makes the league he spends a greater portion of the season in the show than in the G league for at least 2 consecutive years (injuries not included). We could go with minutes per game or some other metric but IMO if your on an NBA roster for two consecutive years your NBA caliber.