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Staff/trainer saw a hit to the head and some worrying symptoms and immediately pulled him out of the game while they figure out whether there was a concussion…. what exactly strikes you as “Tua-ish” in what happened?

Not being in concussion protocol per the quote from Hurley
 
Staff/trainer saw a hit to the head and some worrying symptoms and immediately pulled him out of the game while they figure out whether there was a concussion…. what exactly strikes you as “Tua-ish” in what happened?
Agree, that was a garbage post.

If they put him back in the game, that'd be Tua-ish. They're taking the right approach here to monitor him and (most likely) not let him do anything until further tests are run and they observe his symptoms. Doctors on here correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 24 hours after a head injury the most important period of time to determine the severity of the injury?
 
Agree, that was a garbage post.

If they put him back in the game, that'd be Tua-ish. They're taking the right approach here to monitor him and (most likely) not let him do anything until further tests are run and they observe his symptoms. Doctors on here correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 24 hours after a head injury the most important period of time to determine the severity of the injury?

Would expect him to be in concussion protocol after the head injury. That’s not garbage.
 
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The downside is, unfortunately Jordan has seemed to hit his head often
The scariest part was that after a minute or so on the ground, he stood up on his own and then immediately sat back down.

This is what concerns me most as well.

He tried to get up but had no legs underneath him. And it's been like that all three times so far.
 
I feel like he’ll be back sooner rather than later - my guess is Friday.

But just a guess. You can hit your head without getting a concussion, so that’s the hope.
Watching replay he didn't hit his head too hard, but it was in a sensitive spot (directly back of the head), so we'll see.
 
They aren't contradictory. He'll likely miss a couple games. But it's hyperbole to jump to the conclusion that Hurley can never use him as more than a bench player for the rest of his career
He didn’t say that. He said to have a plan for him not being available. You just acknowledged that he’s probably going to miss games. Should they not have plan?
 
I didn't want to say anything after Hurley made the comments about Hawkins being a first round pick, but this, IMO, is why you don't. You never know what's going to happen and it puts undue pressure on the kid.

Was the fall fate, a bad break, or the result of JH trying to do something beyond his capabilities in order to meet the higher level of expectations that go with being a first round pick?

Who knows? We can all speculate but none of us (well, maybe one) will ever know for sure how JH deals with pressure.
 
Was the fall fate, a bad break, or the result of JH trying to do something beyond his capabilities in order to meet the higher level of expectations that go with being a first round pick?

Who knows? We can all speculate but none of us (well, maybe one) will ever know for sure how JH deals with pressure.

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I can still hear the sound his head made when it hit the floor.
It definitely wasn't his head that made that noise. I had a buddy at the game who said the same thing that the sound was really loud but when they showed the replay back on TV his head barely hit the court. It definitely whipped hard but there is no way that sound was all his head. Other parts of his body hit as well which I think contributed to that really loud sound. If the hit of his head was 100% of that sound he'd have been in the protocol immediately or we should fire all trainers and doctors associated with the team.
 
Hope he’s ok.

But Hurley needed to bench him early in the game for like 30 seconds to calm him down. He was pushing so hard and was very jittery, very easy to tell.
It seems like Hawkins is a confidence player - if he sees the ball go through the net once or twice he’s going to go off, but I think he lets the misses bother him and it throws him off. Would be great if we could run a couple of offensive sets early to get him some 15 footers coming off screens or some foul shots or something, get him going every time.
 
His eyes were glossy as hell when he returned to the bench. The announcers were saying tears, they were wrong. Hope he’s ok.

Donny saying “he’s a pro, he’s definitely a pro” is ridiculous as it was for Hurley to say. Let the kid find his way please.
 
It seems like Hawkins is a confidence player - if he sees the ball go through the net once or twice he’s going to go off, but I think he lets the misses bother him and it throws him off. Would be great if we could run a couple of offensive sets early to get him some 15 footers coming off screens or some foul shots or something, get him going every time.
When I said he needs to toughen up this is the aspect of his game I meant. He has to somehow not let this shake his confidence. Physically take all the time you need to get healthy, but mentally work through it. And I understand that its easy for me to say
 
Not being in concussion protocol per the quote from Hurley
My guess is they hadn’t gotten a chance for a doctor to test him right after the game. They immediately pulled him out for the rest of the game when it happened so they’re clearly taking precautions. That was just a totally unnecessary comment that also happened to be completely unsupported by reality.
 
His eyes were glossy as hell when he returned to the bench. The announcers were saying tears, they were wrong. Hope he’s ok.

Donny saying “he’s a pro, he’s definitely a pro” is ridiculous as it was for Hurley to say. Let the kid find his way please.
And his eyes were as clear as a bell later in the second half.
 
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The takes here when something bad happens. As if any of you knuckleheads have some cosmic power to impact things. Stop pointing fingers, or trying to explain it. He hit his head. He may be fine. He may have a concussion. We hope for the best for him and the team.
 
The takes here when something bad happens. As if any of you knuckleheads have some cosmic power to impact things. Stop pointing fingers, or trying to explain it. He hit his head. He may be fine. He may have a concussion. We hope for the best for him and the team.

That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.
 
Lets Crawl-Walk-Run.. Get him properly diagnosed. Assess diagnosis and come up with a game plan for his recovery. Reintegrate him back into the Program when safe and appropriate for him. If his fall did not cause a concussion.. He was damn lucky. Either way--Out of our hands and hope he can return to optimal health soon.
 
My guess is they hadn’t gotten a chance for a doctor to test him right after the game. They immediately pulled him out for the rest of the game when it happened so they’re clearly taking precautions. That was just a totally unnecessary comment that also happened to be completely unsupported by reality.

So why was he taken out of “concussion protocol” before he was seen by a Doctor? Is nobody else concerned by this?
 
That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.
The assumption is he wasn’t taken out of it, he just hasn’t formally entered it yet. I say assumption because we don’t know of course, so it’s best to wait before taking a position that assumes the staff doesn’t have Jordan’s best interests at heart.

Using the concussion protocol language clearly has big consequences for Jordan as some here are already speculating he should consider ending his basketball career. You don’t casually suggest that if you’re Dan Hurley, you wait to know. That likely means doctors involved. This isn’t the NFL with trained specialists on every sideline.

What we do know doesn’t support the argument that Jordan was “removed from the protocol”:

He was immediately removed from the game.
He missed lots of action last year as a result of concussions. There is no example to be pointed to where this coaching staff didn’t take injuries like this seriously.

We wait.
 
That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.

Players enter the concussion protocol based on immediate demonstration of specific symptoms or as a result of continued assessment and diagnosis of a concussion. There was no “taking him out“ of the protocol. The initial proper first step- removing him from game play- was taken. Evaluation over the next day or so will determine the next steps. Throwing out how YOU think the coaches and training staff don’t care about the health of their guys while not understanding the process is just a lot. It is your held belief that the training staff will not provide him appropriate care because they want him out there, his health be damned? You see how, with no evidence, that is a bad take.
 
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Players enter the concussion protocol based on immediate demonstration of specific symptoms or as a result of continued assessment and diagnosis of a concussion. There was no “taking him out“ of the protocol. The initial proper first step- removing him from game play- was taken. Evaluation over the next day or so will determine the next steps. Throwing out how YOU think the coaches and training staff don’t care about the health of their guys while not understanding the process is just a lot. It is your held belief that the training staff will not provide him appropriate care because they want him out there, his health be damned? You see how, with no evidence, that is a bad take.

You’re putting words in my mouth but this is the boneyard so wouldn’t expect you to actually read into things before posting. I stand by my reaction to Hurleys comment.
 
It was right in front of me, his head hit hard.
Not only saw it but heard it too. It was sickening. I've never seen anyone hit their head on the floor that hard.
 
He didn’t say that. He said to have a plan for him not being available. You just acknowledged that he’s probably going to miss games. Should they not have plan?
No, that is what he said.

The second paragraph of his post clearly refers to the coaches having a game plan where he is only being used as a bench player going forward.

His post was not about having a game plan for the next few games when Hawkins is out. His post was about how to use Hawkins going forward this season (and beyond).
 
It was by no means a D1 college level pace, but back in HS I had a similar injury where I landed on my back and my head swung back and hit the court hard. I had extremely bad whiplash after and couldn’t move my head side to side at all for a few days, but no concussion. Then another time I literally gently ran into a guy and got a concussion. Point is, it’s hard to tell at first glance, sometimes you hit your head just right or you don’t, shouldn’t jump to conclusions until the team has time to look at him and make an official report.
 
You’re putting words in my mouth but this is the boneyard so wouldn’t expect you to actually read into things before posting. I stand by my reaction to Hurleys comment.
Just stop digging man. You jumped to the conclusion that he had been removed from the protocol and totally ignored the possibility that they may not have had time to diagnose him one way or the other. The staff clearly made the right move to sit him for the rest of the night and have done nothing to earn your assertion that they’re not properly treating Hawkins’ injury.
 
His eyes were glossy as hell when he returned to the bench. The announcers were saying tears, they were wrong. Hope he’s ok.

Donny saying “he’s a pro, he’s definitely a pro” is ridiculous as it was for Hurley to say. Let the kid find his way please.
He was 100% crying. You could even see it as he was walking off the court
 
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