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Really? She’s been a complete psycho since season 6. It’s all about her and her perceived birthright. It wasn’t before then, it was about the people. Then it became “my throne”, “my kingdoms”, “bend the knee”. She’s been off her rocker for awhile now. That said, this still didn’t feel quite right. The extent of it was wrong.

Varys knew and Jon confirmed it. Nobody who wants to rule can be a good ruler.
She hasn’t been a complete psycho and she did have a birth right up until the falsified, hidden information was revealed. In an age of cutthroats, witches, demons and dragons, Dany put in work and got things done. This isn’t the Wizard of Oz or Cinderella, this is Game of Thrones people. Play hard or go home. She gave Cersei and others chances and displayed diplomacy. Those people betrayed her.
 
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After 24 hours to contemplate, & after a partial re-watch last night, here's my take on the destruction of King's landing: It was the calculated put the fear of God moment into Cersei by Danaerys.
Fact: The Mad King had deposited stores of Wildfire beneath every important building.
Fact: Cersei had asked HER Hand if the rumors were true before ultimately blowing up the Cathedral of the Seven Gods with wildfire. If the stores were widely rumored, then Dany had to know about them due to her lineage, & the fact that Cersei had demonstrated their existence.
By taking the thermonuclear approach to Kings Landing she accomplished the following:
1. She destroyed those munitions so that they couldn't be used against her in the future
2. She checkmated Cersei:
Cersei wasn't afraid to use wildfire, as she had blown away her enemies with it in the past. She didn't care about the citizenry, she only used them as a shield. Her fatal error was not taking Dany's determination into account. She thought that Dany would spare the common folk if her armies surrendered, OR she would blow up Dany's forces & sack the City herself with wildfire to win the battle. She also erroneously thought that her batteries of Scorpions would take out Drogon.
Danaerys's statement in effect: You've opposed me on every occasion: You refused to join the fray against the White Walkers, & instead fortified yourself with the mercenaries of the Iron Bank. You
refused my surrender terms & invited this battle by slaughtering Missandei in front of me, thus inviting my death sentence upon you. I've destroyed your troops, your weapons, now I'm going to destroy you!
Danaerys has been consistent: You bend the knee to her or you die. If you break your oath to her, you die.
The only problem is that she has backed herself into a corner with this approach. Kings Landing can be rebuilt. The public trust is another matter.
 
She hasn’t been a complete psycho and she did have a birth right up until the falsified, hidden information was revealed. In an age of cutthroats, witches, demons and dragons, Dany put in work and got things done. This isn’t the Wizard of Oz or Cinderella, this is Game of Thrones people. Play hard or go home. She gave Cersei and others chances and displayed diplomacy. Those people betrayed her.

Way to rationalize unleashing a WMD on thousands of innocents.
 
After 24 hours to contemplate, & after a partial re-watch last night, here's my take on the destruction of King's landing: It was the calculated put the fear of God moment into Cersei by Danaerys.
Fact: The Mad King had deposited stores of Wildfire beneath every important building.
Fact: Cersei had asked HER Hand if the rumors were true before ultimately blowing up the Cathedral of the Seven Gods with wildfire. If the stores were widely rumored, then Dany had to know about them due to her lineage, & the fact that Cersei had demonstrated their existence.
By taking the thermonuclear approach to Kings Landing she accomplished the following:
1. She destroyed those munitions so that they couldn't be used against her in the future
2. She checkmated Cersei:
Cersei wasn't afraid to use wildfire, as she had blown away her enemies with it in the past. She didn't care about the citizenry, she only used them as a shield. Her fatal error was not taking Dany's determination into account. She thought that Dany would spare the common folk if her armies surrendered, OR she would blow up Dany's forces & sack the City herself with wildfire to win the battle. She also erroneously thought that her batteries of Scorpions would take out Drogon.
Danaerys's statement in effect: You've opposed me on every occasion: You refused to join the fray against the White Walkers, & instead fortified yourself with the mercenaries of the Iron Bank. You
refused my surrender terms & invited this battle by slaughtering Missandei in front of me, thus inviting my death sentence upon you. I've destroyed your troops, your weapons, now I'm going to destroy you!
Danaerys has been consistent: You bend the knee to her or you die. If you break your oath to her, you die.
The only problem is that she has backed herself into a corner with this approach. Kings Landing can be rebuilt. The public trust is another matter.

Disagree 100%. I don’t `see how the thousands of burnt remains of innocent citizens were in any way justified by Cersei’s intransigence.
 
Way to rationalize unleashing a WMD on thousands of innocents.
Yes but you do realize those people were gonna be blown up anyway including Dany, Jon Snow and the rest of them. So you rather her show additional mercy and then sit on the throne only to have the building blow up around her. Respect the shooter. The Tyrion / John Snow/ Vairys approach would’ve got everyone killed.
 
Take down the Red Keep, destroy Cersei, and Dany gets celebrated as the hero that “broke the wheel”. The people would love her, which was her whole concern anyway. So I get that there were plenty of signs along the way, but in that moment... she had another way to get what she says she wanted. Instead she had a sad and went on a killing spree.
 
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Take down the Red Keep, destroy Cersei, and Dany gets celebrated as the hero that “broke the wheel”. The people would love her, which was her whole concern anyway. So I get that there were plenty of signs along the way, but in that moment... she had another way to get what she says she wanted. Instead she had a sad and went on a killing spree.
But would the people love her, or would they just fear her?
 
But would the people love her, or would they just fear her?

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Yes but you do realize those people were gonna be blown up anyway including Dany, Jon Snow and the rest of them. So you rather her show additional mercy and then sit on the throne only to have the building blow up around her. Respect the shooter. The Tyrion / John Snow/ Vairys approach would’ve got everyone killed.

How you figure that? Cersei was running away; Qyburn told her that they were out of options. If her plan was to lure Dany's troops into the city so she could blow them up, what the heck was she waiting for?
 
How you figure that? Cersei was running away; Qyburn told her that they were out of options. If her plan was to lure Dany's troops into the city so she could blow them up, what the heck was she waiting for?
I figured that because I saw the green explosions going off around the city
And Dany was burning buildings. Until one of the shows writers says that was just stored up
Green explosives from another situation, I’m gonna view it as Cersei rigging the city with explosives and planning on igniting those explosives after pretending to surrender. She’s done it before. I’m also gonna give Dany the benefit of the doubt and I think she knew that Cersei had something up her sleeve. The Peaceful resolutions that Tyrion and the rest of team came up with never worked with Cersei.
 
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I figured that because I saw the green explosions going off around the city
And Dany was burning buildings. Until one of the shows writers says that was just stored up
Green explosives from another situation, I’m gonna view it as Cersei rigging the city with explosives and planning on igniting those explosives after pretending to surrender. She’s done it before. I’m also gonna give Dany the benefit of the doubt and I think she knew that Cersei had something up her sleeve. The Peaceful resolutions that Tyrion and the rest of team came up with never worked with Cersei.

I don't think it was planted there for any purpose. I think it just happened to ignite from the dragon fire.
 
I figured that because I saw the green explosions going off around the city
And Dany was burning buildings. Until one of the shows writers says that was just stored up
Green explosives from another situation, I’m gonna view it as Cersei rigging the city with explosives and planning on igniting those explosives after pretending to surrender. She’s done it before. I’m also gonna give Dany the benefit of the doubt and I think she knew that Cersei had something up her sleeve. The Peaceful resolutions that Tyrion and the rest of team came up with never worked with Cersei.

It was stored up wildfire. The Mad King stashed it in a bunch of random buildings throughout the city; they talked about that a few seasons ago.

And in that scene where Qyburn was telling Cersei it was time to run, she kept trying to come up with ways they would still win ("our scorpions will shoot down her dragon") and Qyburn told her they were all destroyed, you could tell by the look on her face that she knew they were done. She even let out a single tear. Why would she do that if their big plan was to set off a bunch of wildfire to destroy her enemies? And even if that was their plan, it wasn't a very good one since it didn't do a damn thing to stop Dany or Drogon.
 
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Ever since they outran the books they took tons of shortcuts IMO. I like the fact that I don't have to wait another 18 seasons to figure out how it ends, but I'm also irritated because I think the show is far worse than it could have been with more care / forethought. Still entertained, but at this stage glad it is ending.
 
Surprised by arrows with total air supremacy and vision. OK. That would be like a B2 bomber being surprised by an ISIS rebel with a shoulder mounted surface to air missile and getting shot down.

Better to just say that you went to get a cookie and might have missed something than to keep digging.
 
Ever since they outran the books they took tons of shortcuts IMO. I like the fact that I don't have to wait another 18 seasons to figure out how it ends, but I'm also irritated because I think the show is far worse than it could have been with more care / forethought. Still entertained, but at this stage glad it is ending.

The shortcuts started in season 7, IMO, almost a full two seasons after they outran most of the book content. Some of the deviations from the book in seasons 4 and 5, as well as some of the earlier "original" content (Hardhome and the final episode of season 6, for example) made for great television.
 
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Why did Euron and Jaime fight? Not clear about that.

I guess he knew the battle was lost and wanted to off his competition, but that was one of the dumber ideas in this episode.
 
Really? She’s been a complete psycho since season 6. It’s all about her and her perceived birthright. It wasn’t before then, it was about the people. Then it became “my throne”, “my kingdoms”, “bend the knee”. She’s been off her rocker for awhile now. That said, this still didn’t feel quite right. The extent of it was wrong.

Varys knew and Jon confirmed it. Nobody who wants to rule can be a good ruler.

The problem with our country in a nutshell. To be President of the United States, you have to not care about what your seeking the office will do to your family and friends (unless, of course, you're doing it for financial gain). So truly good people won't go near it, leaving only those who are less good to compete.
 
I guess he knew the battle was lost and wanted to off his competition, but that was one of the dumber ideas in this episode.

Euron was definitely the kind of guy that would bolt when the battle was lost. I could see having some kind of final verbal exchange between Euron and Jaime, but having them fight to the death made no sense at all.
 
I don't get the confusion. Macho males don't get into fights over attractive blondes that they're both sleeping with?
Euron and Jamie fighting made sense in theory, they were both being told by Cersei they were the father of her child. But that was never brought up between them
 
Euron and Jamie fighting made sense in theory, they were both being told by Cersei they were the father of her child. But that was never brought up between them

The Euron character is a soulless mercenary. He points out the city is dying, talks a little trash at Jaime, and then gets into a fight to the death. When he pointed out the city was dying, that was his queue to hit the waves. The fight was one step above having Euron step into an empty elevator shaft.
 
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The Euron character is a soulless mercenary. He points out the city is dying, talks a little trash at Jaime, and then gets into a fight to the death. When he pointed out the city was dying, that was his queue to hit the waves. The fight was one step above having Euron step into an empty elevator shaft.

While not wrong, he also had a bit of madman in him. Seemed to have a bug about the King Slayer on several occasions throughout the series.

And he would always press an advantage. I'm willing to bet he didn't think one armed Jaime would be able to put up much of a fight. Using your analogy, it was seeing Jaime Lannister standing in front of an elevator shaft, going for the push, and simply missing. 'Saving' cersei would gain another Lannister debt on top.

He wasn't just a soulless mercenary either, or he wouldn't have bothered to take over the Iron Islands and maneuver himself into position as the King to cersei's Queen. He too was playing the game.

And even outside of the throne, there are still advantages to having a Lannister heir as well.
 
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It was stored up wildfire. The Mad King stashed it in a bunch of random buildings throughout the city; they talked about that a few seasons ago.

And in that scene where Qyburn was telling Cersei it was time to run, she kept trying to come up with ways they would still win ("our scorpions will shoot down her dragon") and Qyburn told her they were all destroyed, you could tell by the look on her face that she knew they were done. She even let out a single tear. Why would she do that if their big plan was to set off a bunch of wildfire to destroy her enemies? And even if that was their plan, it wasn't a very good one since it didn't do a damn thing to stop Dany or Drogon.
Why did Euron and Jaime fight? Not clear about that.

Fair points but I viewed the explosives as a way Cersei could have the last laugh if she had to surrender and lost it all. Kinda like a “ over my dead body” plan. She’s taken that sinister approach before and I’m sure Dany knew about it.
 
1 prediction given what the show has given us so far is Bronn saving Tyrions life with the cross-bow: This has to happen right? Tyrion is all Bronn has left!
 
Why did Euron and Jaime fight? Not clear about that.

Euron was blasted off his ship by Drogon and swam to shore. It was just a coincidence he ran into Jaime on the coast of a city of 500,000.
 
1 prediction given what the show has given us so far is Bronn saving Tyrions life with the cross-bow: This has to happen right? Tyrion is all Bronn has left!

Yep. And who does he kill to save Tyrion and why would he have to save Tyrion? I was thinking the same thing.
 
Euron was blasted off his ship by Drogon and swam to shore. It was just a coincidence he ran into Jaime on the coast of a city of 500,000.

He probably should’ve been too exhausted to fight Jamie anyway. Didn’t make since.
 
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