OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[Ha Who]

Of course they’re not. They need each other to go where they want to. The idea of the Big10 locking down the DC area with the 2 Virginia schools doesn’t make sense to me. They don’t add anything they don’t already have. FSU is a much better prospect for the Big10 than the SEC.

I don’t buy the taking schools so other conferences can’t. There are only so many spots left and admitting someone that doesn’t add to what you are trying to do takes away from your purpose. The SEC needs to be more National. Yes, it’s a regional conference, but taking schools in states/ areas they already have doesn’t add to what they are trying to do.

Capitalism 101

 

[billybud]

FSU would go to the SEC over the B10. They have played 2 B10 teams more than 3x, Maryland 23x and Nebraska 8x for a total of 47 games. They have played SEC schools 163 times including Florida and have played 10 SEC schools more than 3x. Plus, travel is much easier for all sports in the SEC.

Not so sure....

FSU has played 28 games with the SEC in the last 23 seasons...and 21 of those were with Florida..and 4 were bowl games...and FSU fans aren't enamoured with Florida anymore than VT was with WVU.

 

[dayooper]

Capitalism 101

Unfortunately, that’s where we are at now.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The SEC has bee

Disagree. The SEC has purposely kept their footprint tight. Closer geographies create more interest and better attendance.

I'm not sold that the Big 10's geographic footprint makes sense unless they break up into divisions/pods. Or, football breaks off and they create more regional conferences for every other sport.

They've been able to because they've been dominant in the most important category - football. If not for that, they'd likely to have been forced to expand like the B1G has had to.

 

[UConnJim]

The SEC has bee

They've been able to because they've been dominant in the most important category - football. If not for that, they'd likely to have been forced to expand like the B1G has had to.

The SEC is better than the Big 10 in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, softball, men's and women's track and filed, women's gymnastics,...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The SEC is better than the Big 10 in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, softball, men's and women's track and filed, women's gymnastics,...

And yet all that matters is football.

 

[billybud]

And the ACC may be better than both in some minor sports....if you count NC's as a measure. I did not count Maryland's NC's that they won while in the ACC.

Women's Cross Country...NC's in 2021, 2022, 2023

Field Hockey.....NC's in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023

Men's Sovccer....,7 NC's since 2000

Women's Soccer....9 NC's sins 2000

Men's BB....7 NC's since 2000

Men's Lacrosse....9 NC's since 2000

Women's Lacrosse....5 NC's since 2000

(The SEC has been terrific in M&W'sTrack and Field, Gymnastics, baseball)

 

[Sea Goat]

The upshot of the FSU amended complaint (if factually supported) is the demise of the ACC. That's a good thing!

 

[Ldandy]

I’m not sure locking down DC is a priority. Locking down LA was a thing, but I believe it was because Fox and ESPN wanted to damage the PAC. You can’t kill the SEC by taking 2 Virginia schools.

There are only a few spots left in the BIG and I believe FSU has one of them. UNC and ND will have spots no matter, but otherwise they are limited. The Virginia schools don’t bring much past academics and Olympic sports. If those were important, then Stanford would already be in the BIG. Miami confuses me a bit, but having 2 schools in Florida makes more sense than 2 in Virginia.

Adding the combo of FSU & Miami could make sense to The B1G in terms of negotiating their next medial deal. The old paradigm was all about adding cable markets, but the current discussion is far more centered around brands. Down or not, Miami is still a name that can be sold with The B1G Marketing Machine behind it. Due to their proximity to talent, it is also a program that can be turned around relatively quickly under the right leadership. FSU has already made that difficult climb back to prominence.

Adding 2 teams in Florida allows the conference to stake a strong claim there for traditional cable carriage, obtain regular access to its fertile recruiting grounds, and provide two opportunities for relocated alums and fans to see their schools compete in person. It also adds another large population state to the mix which will eventually feed out of state students to the rest of the conference.

For years the belief was that the B1G desperately wanted UNC & UVA as a part of their future expansion plans. It could still be true, but it feels far less likely than in the Delany Era. While the conference would certainly love adding the crown jewel of The ACC Tarheels, UVA on the other had feels iffy to me now. If we're to believe that sports media is barreling full speed towards a streaming model that focuses on teams and matchups, what would you rather sell?

UM, OSU, PSU, UO, and USC vs FSU and Miami or vs UNC and UVA?

 

[Ha Who]

Adding the combo of FSU & Miami could make sense to The B1G in terms of negotiating their next medial deal. The old paradigm was all about adding cable markets, but the current discussion is far more centered around brands. Down or not, Miami is still a name that can be sold with The B1G Marketing Machine behind it. Due to their proximity to talent, it is also a program that can be turned around relatively quickly under the right leadership. FSU has already made that difficult climb back to prominence.

Adding 2 teams in Florida allows the conference to stake a strong claim there for traditional cable carriage, obtain regular access to its fertile recruiting grounds, and provide two opportunities for relocated alums and fans to see their schools compete in person. It also adds another large population state to the mix which will eventually feed out of state students to the rest of the conference.

For years the belief was that the B1G desperately wanted UNC & UVA as a part of their future expansion plans. It could still be true, but it feels far less likely than in the Delany Era. While the conference would certainly love adding the crown jewel of The ACC Tarheels, UVA on the other had feels iffy to me now. If we're to believe that sports media is barreling full speed towards a streaming model that focuses on teams and matchups, what would you rather sell?

UM, OSU, PSU, UO, and USC vs FSU and Miami or vs UNC and UVA?

Cartel bores me. Like watching Apple earnings or Meta

 

[Ldandy]

Cartel bores me. Like watching Apple earnings or Meta

It's still a free country, watch what you like.

 

[Ha Who]

It's still a free country, watch what you like.

You’re darn right. Rather go to the gym

 

[ScottVib]

I think if they (the Big Ten) had the choice of picking 2 of FSU/Miami/UNC/UVA it would be Florida State and UNC.

 

[dayooper]

I think if they (the Big Ten) had the choice of picking 2 of FSU/Miami/UNC/UVA it would be Florida State and UNC.

I don’t think that’s even a question. Of course it’s FSU/UNC.

 

[History Geek]

Adding the combo of FSU & Miami could make sense to The B1G in terms of negotiating their next medial deal. The old paradigm was all about adding cable markets, but the current discussion is far more centered around brands. Down or not, Miami is still a name that can be sold with The B1G Marketing Machine behind it. Due to their proximity to talent, it is also a program that can be turned around relatively quickly under the right leadership. FSU has already made that difficult climb back to prominence.

Adding 2 teams in Florida allows the conference to stake a strong claim there for traditional cable carriage, obtain regular access to its fertile recruiting grounds, and provide two opportunities for relocated alums and fans to see their schools compete in person. It also adds another large population state to the mix which will eventually feed out of state students to the rest of the conference.

For years the belief was that the B1G desperately wanted UNC & UVA as a part of their future expansion plans. It could still be true, but it feels far less likely than in the Delany Era. While the conference would certainly love adding the crown jewel of The ACC Tarheels, UVA on the other had feels iffy to me now. If we're to believe that sports media is barreling full speed towards a streaming model that focuses on teams and matchups, what would you rather sell?

UM, OSU, PSU, UO, and USC vs FSU and Miami or vs UNC and UVA?

I have always thought that Miami was not a strong candidate because they are essentially a smallish private which only relatively recently was relevant in the highest echelons of college football, and hasn’t been that great for about a generation now. But this is a good point. Those 40+ still think Miami is a strong brand. That could get them a seat in the P2.

 

[Rockford]

I have always thought that Miami was not a strong candidate because they are essentially a smallish private which only relatively recently was relevant in the highest echelons of college football, and hasn’t been that great for about a generation now. But this is a good point. Those 40+ still think Miami is a strong brand. That could get them a seat in the P2.

I kind of view Miami as Boston College with palm trees. Think their P2 value is over stated.

 

[History Geek]

I kind of view Miami as Boston College with palm trees. Think their P2 value is over stated.

Institutionally overall I agree. And both are essentially Wake without the magnolias. However, overall having that strong football brand built from circa 1980 to about 2000 may get them a seat at the table.

 

[dayooper]

Institutionally overall I agree. And both are essentially Wake without the magnolias. However, overall having that strong football brand built from circa 1980 to about 2000 may get them a seat at the table.

I’m still skeptical they will have a seat. It’s possible, but I just don’t see how they would be additive to the Big10 and SEC. Unless it’s about planting a flag in Miami and the Big10 wants to recruit athletes and general population students there.

 

[hank970]

I’m still skeptical they will have a seat. It’s possible, but I just don’t see how they would be additive to the Big10 and SEC. Unless it’s about planting a flag in Miami and the Big10 wants to recruit athletes and general population students there.

If population (eyeballs) and access to superb athletes aren't of importance to a conference, then what is?

 

[UConnJim]

I kind of view Miami as Boston College with palm trees. Think their P2 value is over stated.

There has only been 1 private university invited to the P2, USC, and they are a very large school in a large market with tons of football history. The only other private school that I think is seriously under consideration for the P2 is Notre Dame. Miami is a long shot, but more likely than Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College,...

 

[dayooper]

If population (eyeballs) and access to superb athletes aren't of importance to a conference, then what is?

If you have FSU, you have the eyeballs and access to superb athletes. I guess you can double down in Florida, but FSU is already a huge name. If Miami were to be admitted to the Big10, they would have by far the smallest population, by several thousand students. Could it happen? Yeah, especially over those you listed above.

I’m basing my opinion on the fact that they are just going to 20. If they go higher, all bets are off. Here is what I believe the Big10 ACC wishlist would be;

1. Notre Dame - Not happening, but would take them in any condition. So would the SEC.

2. FSU - Huge school in an extremely populous state. Very high viewership. Would really increase the eyeballs on each member university.

3. UNC - Huge basketball school in a growing state. Not a football draw at all, but one of the few basketball schools (UConn included) that can increase viewership in the winter months.

If any of the schools above aren’t included, the Big10 isn’t expanding.

4. UVA - only if paired with UNC. Lower if they aren’t included.

5. Miami - Only if paired with ND, FSU or UNC.

6. VT - Dark horse. Has a Big10 like atmosphere, but just not enough of a draw by themselves.

7. GT - All about the Atlanta eyeballs, but is it enough?

No one else in the ACC has a chance.

 

[Rdkid]

I wouldn’t compare Miami to the other ACC privates in that they have national championship history and sit in fertile recruiting territory. They have a problem in that Miami is a pro sports town and they have stadium/attendance issues. They are having difficulty getting back to national relevance and aren’t looking like P2 material at all. Now if they make the playoff in the next few years, maybe. Not close based on this past year.

 

[Rdkid]

If you have FSU, you have the eyeballs and access to superb athletes. I guess you can double down in Florida, but FSU is already a huge name. If Miami were to be admitted to the Big10, they would have by far the smallest population, by several thousand students. Could it happen? Yeah, especially over those you listed above.

I’m basing my opinion on the fact that they are just going to 20. If they go higher, all bets are off. Here is what I believe the Big10 ACC wishlist would be;

1. Notre Dame - Not happening, but would take them in any condition. So would the SEC.

2. FSU - Huge school in an extremely populous state. Very high viewership. Would really increase the eyeballs on each member university.

3. UNC - Huge basketball school in a growing state. Not a football draw at all, but one of the few basketball schools (UConn included) that can increase viewership in the winter months.

If any of the schools above aren’t included, the Big10 isn’t expanding.

4. UVA - only if paired with UNC. Lower if they aren’t included.

5. Miami - Only if paired with ND, FSU or UNC.

6. VT - Dark horse. Has a Big10 like atmosphere, but just not enough of a draw by themselves.

7. GT - All about the Atlanta eyeballs, but is it enough?

No one else in the ACC has a chance.

I think Clemson needs a mention.

 

[Ldandy]

I’m still skeptical they will have a seat. It’s possible, but I just don’t see how they would be additive to the Big10 and SEC. Unless it’s about planting a flag in Miami and the Big10 wants to recruit athletes and general population students there.

You just answered your own question for the most part. I’d add that if brands/matchups are a bigger selling point in the future than under the previous model, then they become a much more attractive option. Mediocrity or not, they remain a brand that TV can sell with the right matchups.

 

[dayooper]

I think Clemson needs a mention.

Yes, they do. I knew I was forgetting some one.

I personally would put them as #4, but I don’t think the Big10 sees it that way. I think they have them tied with or slightly below Miami.

 

[Hoophound]

Miami is nothing. Whatever conference falls for Miami is foolish. FSU and Florida are all that really matter in the Sunshine State.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[billybud]

s someone commented...makes to much sense to happen...

 

[Rufus]

s someone commented...makes to much sense to happen...

Will never happen. Stanford and Cal don't fit in academically with the Big 12, and the Big 12 already passed on SMU.

While the ACC additions would make sense, I don't think UC, UCF, or WVU will want to join what the ACC is about to become.

 

[UConnJim]

While the ACC additions would make sense, I don't think UC, UCF, or WVU will want to join what the ACC is about to become.

Exactly. The ACC has colleges that the P2 may want and the Big 12 does not. Thus, the Big 12 is more stable at this time than the ACC.